Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[ChikoLad]

wtf Khoru didn't say that. Just that Megalovania fits for what Toby was going for despite Fumi thinking it should have been a different song

The sarcastic "k cool" and general shortness of comment, paints a different picture.

Point is that Fumi has a reasonable point and "he has a different artistic vision" is not a very productive response and comes across as a cheap attempt at invalidation of Fumi's point.

 

[Zane13pyro]

Give em some more time, it hasn't even been a week yet. I'm sure players will figure things to get around their jank. Look at Roy. Everyone used to think he was crazy good. Now, pre-patch, he's garbage. Not saying either of those characters will suffer the fate of Roy, but I doubt they're broke.

weird everyone i face with roy crys because i beat them is this the reason why o.o

 

[Champ Gold]

chun-li is a lot more important in the story of street fighter than ryu

That's due to SF having a mediocre story.

Ryu's story is just walking around looking for a challenge (unless Akuma is involved)

Chun-Li's story is and has always been 50% Revenge/Justice and 50% wanting to be a real girl

 

[Strofirko]

Why these Animal Crossing animations keeps poping up on my youtube?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The sarcastic "k cool" and general shortness of comment, paints a different picture.

Point is that Fumi has a reasonable point and "he has a different artistic vision" is not a very productive response and comes across as a cheap attempt at invalidation of Fumi's point.

Khoru always posts like that, when she's joking or when she's serious.
Except it's easily THE best response. For example, I was watching a video and someone criticized a joke's tone due to the guy in the video not sounding enthusiastic enough. They were then told that wouldn't have been what they were going for

 

[Khoru]

The sarcastic "k cool" and general shortness of comment, paints a different picture.

Point is that Fumi has a reasonable point and "he has a different artistic vision" is not a very productive response and comes across as a cheap attempt at invalidation of Fumi's point.

i mean fumi's calling it lazy and criticizing the game for not being Exactly The Way He Wanted so

 

[Kurri ★]

weird everyone i face with roy crys because i beat them is this the reason why o.o

possibly. But he got some nice buffs so he's not as garbo. Still could be better.

Also, lol at Corrin more viable.

 

[Champ Gold]

That explains why I didn't know about them until recently, I had the Sega Genisis version of the Tournament Edition and still have the cartridge tucked away somewhere.

Go to the TCRF website. They have leftovers of the ads for MK2 in the Genesis version of the Jam games

 

[Deleted member]

I may be alone in this, but I actually like the Street Fighter story and think it's decent. I also like Ryu's story a lot.

 

[MainJPW]

Go to the TCRF website. They have leftovers of the ads for MK2 in the Genesis version of the Jam games

That's where I found it out at actually.

I'm on that site almost constantly. Thinking about making an article for a game soon.

 

[ChikoLad]

Khoru always posts like that, when she's joking or when she's serious.
Except it's easily THE best response. For example, I was watching a video and someone criticized a joke's tone due to the guy in the video not sounding enthusiastic enough. They were then told that wouldn't have been what they were going for

Posting the exact same way regardless of your posts tone isn't exactly something that should be run with since it makes you difficult to clearly understand but OK.

And how is it the best response? In order for "it's not your artistic vision" to be even remotely a valid response, you first have to prove that a choice was made for artistic reasons. By your logic, discussion and criticism on any artistic work is literally impossible unless you are gushing on something constantly.

i mean fumi's calling it lazy and criticizing the game for not being Exactly The Way He Wanted so

They're not criticising the game for not being exactly how they wanted, Fumi has been pretty vocally a huge fan of the game as it is, she's just making a reasonable suggestion that might make the game a little better to a general audience.

As someone who hasn't played the game yet but has a slight interest in it (i.e the general audience), I agree with Fumi when she says it's lazy to just blatantly re-use music from a previous game. There are exceptions, like when it's a cute Easter Egg like Totoka's Song, is part of an over arching franchise like Final Fantasy that has a couple of recurring themes for recurring staple elements, or the game is a straight up sequel to another game featuring the same characters and overall feel. But if you have a game that isn't associated with your past works in-universe, and you aren't just using the song as a cute Easter Egg, than you probably aren't re-using it for artistic reasons at all. It's either laziness, or an unprofessional love for and bias towards the song.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's where I found it out at actually.

I'm on that site almost constantly. Thinking about making an article for a game soon.

Heck, it had some neat Quest related information I never knew(Quest 64, Quest Fantasy Challenge to note). Quest: Brian's Journey sadly has little beta content of knowledge. Albeit, some of its design choices feel like an Obvious Beta at times.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Posting the exact same way regardless of your posts tone isn't exactly something that should be run with since it makes you difficult to clearly understand but OK.

And how is it the best response? In order for "it's not your artistic vision" to be even remotely a valid response, you first have to prove that a choice was made for artistic reasons. By your logic, discussion and criticism on any artistic work is literally impossible unless you are gushing on something constantly.



They're not criticising the game for not being exactly how they wanted, Fumi has been pretty vocally a huge fan of the game as it is, she's just making a reasonable suggestion that might make the game a little better to a general audience.

As someone who hasn't played the game yet but has a slight interest in it (i.e the general audience), I agree with Fumi when she says it's lazy to just blatantly re-use music from a previous game. There are exceptions, like when it's a cute Easter Egg like Totoka's Song, is part of an over arching franchise like Final Fantasy that has a couple of recurring themes for recurring staple elements, or the game is a straight up sequel to another game featuring the same characters and overall feel. But if you have a game that isn't associated with your past works in-universe, and you aren't just using the song as a cute Easter Egg, than you probably aren't re-using it for artistic reasons at all. It's either laziness, or an unprofessional love for and bias towards the song.

Judging how carefully made Undertale is it's safe to say Toby's artistic view is a major factor. And about reusing music, the music can fit certain stuff that artistic block could prevent you from coming up with. Megalovania fits the hectic boss fight incredibly well.


Also, I remembered Fumi wanted to replace Death by Glamour. I ****ing HATE UT with a burning passion yet if that happens I will grab a knife, go to your house, cut some veggies in your kitchen to feed the pets at home and then call you mean words like doo doo dunder head

 

[Khoru]

They're not criticising the game for not being exactly how they wanted, Fumi has been pretty vocally a huge fan of the game as it is, she's just making a reasonable suggestion that might make the game a little better to a general audience.

a general audience? what general audience? a general audience wouldn't even know what the halloween hack or homestuck are, and would thus have no contention over toby reusing a composition
actually, on that note, the three arrangements are totally different
you couldn't really put any of them in the other two works and have them fit

also >she

As someone who hasn't played the game yet but has a slight interest in it (i.e the general audience), I agree with Fumi when she says it's lazy to just blatantly re-use music from a previous game. There are exceptions, like when it's a cute Easter Egg like Totoka's Song, is part of an over arching franchise like Final Fantasy that has a couple of recurring themes for recurring staple elements, or the game is a straight up sequel to another game featuring the same characters and overall feel. But if you have a game that isn't associated with your past works in-universe, and you aren't just using the song as a cute Easter Egg, than you probably aren't re-using it for artistic reasons at all. It's either laziness, or an unprofessional love for and bias towards the song.

i literally do not see the issue here
toby liked the song and decided it fit better than something like STMPWYFS (which it does)
the difference between a "signature song" in this vein and, say, totaka's song is splitting hairs
also i feel like i remember uh... sakuraba, maybe? having a song similar in usage to megalovania but idk

Fumi wanted to replace Death by Glamour

What

 

[ChikoLad]

Judging how carefully made Undertale is it's safe to say Toby's artistic view is a major factor. And about reusing music, the music can fit certain stuff that artistic block could prevent you from coming up with. Megalovania fits the hectic boss fight incredibly well.


Also, I remembered Fumi wanted to replace Death by Glamour. I ****ing HATE UT with a burning passion yet if that happens I will grab a knife, go to your house, cut some veggies in your kitchen to feed the pets at home and then call you mean words like doo doo dunder head

That's just an assumption without much substance and doesn't prove anything. The most carefully made games can still have major blemishes in them, be they glitches, cases of cut corners, and unprofessionalism.

Remember when Smash 3DS launched with a glitch that banned Peach players for no reason other than a programming oversight? That's a perfect example.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

a general audience? what general audience? a general audience wouldn't even know what the halloween hack or homestuck are, and would thus have no contention over toby reusing a composition
actually, on that note, the three arrangements are totally different
you couldn't really put any of them in the other two works and have them fit

also >she

i literally do not see the issue here
toby liked the song and decided it fit better than something like STMPWYFS (which it does)
the difference between a "signature song" in this vein and, say, totaka's song is splitting hairs
also i feel like i remember uh... sakuraba, maybe? having a song similar in usage to megalovania but idk

What

Something Fumi said last week, I don't remember everything

That's just an assumption without much substance and doesn't prove anything. The most carefully made games can still have major blemishes in them, be they glitches, cases of cut corners, and unprofessionalism.

Remember when Smash 3DS launched with a glitch that banned Peach players for no reason other than a programming oversight? That's a perfect example.

Terrible comparison, one is an RPG with loads of dialogue Toby worked on by himself, the other is a fighting game with next to no dialogue, regional differences and a whole team

 

[ChikoLad]

Something Fumi said last week, I don't remember everything

Terrible comparison, one is an RPG with loads of dialogue Toby worked on by himself, the other is a fighting game with next to no dialogue, regional differences and a whole team

It's not a terrible comparison.

Are you seriously suggesting that Undertale takes more effort to make and is therefore exempt from criticism, based on dialogue?

And Smash doesn't have next to no dialogue. The Palutena's Guidances alone are quite a bit. And since Undertale's dialogue is all text based, it's directly comparable to Smash's trophy descriptions, tips, tutorial messages, etc, in terms of effort. Which are generally worked on by the same one or two people.

Undertale also didn't undergo an official localisation yet. So it's script would have had less work done on it than a AAA game like Smash.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's not a terrible comparison.

Are you seriously suggesting that Undertale takes more effort to make and is therefore exempt from criticism, based on dialogue?

And Smash doesn't have next to no dialogue. The Palutena's Guidances alone are quite a bit. And since Undertale's dialogue is all text based, it's directly comparable to Smash's trophy descriptions, tips, tutorial messages, etc, in terms of effort.

Undertale also didn't undergo an official localisation yet. So it's script would have had less work done on it than a AAA game like Smash.

...I think I see where this is going wrong. I'm not talking about the effort when I say 'carefully made' but rather the attention to detail and everything. For instance, spam Mercy on Toriel, get the option to spare her, and hit her, she will completely change and hate you. There's a lot of care put into the dialogue. By looking at how the dialogue was done and how characters are written in a story, you WILL see what the creator was going for.
For your smash comparison, let's look at Bayonetta. She does a lot of stuff from her games, her taunts can be cancelled, Bat Within can activate with normal dodges, she has a voice clip that specifically triggers during her forward throw, blablabla everything else. Lots of care was put into her

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So apparently Corrin and Bayonetta are OP. How long until they plummet down the tier list as people figure them out?

 

[ChikoLad]

...I think I see where this is going wrong. I'm not talking about the effort when I say 'carefully made' but rather the attention to detail and everything. For instance, spam Mercy on Toriel, get the option to spare her, and hit her, she will completely change and hate you. There's a lot of care put into the dialogue. By looking at how the dialogue was done and how characters are written in a story, you WILL see what the creator was going for.
For your smash comparison, let's look at Bayonetta. She does a lot of stuff from her games, her taunts can be cancelled, Bat Within can activate with normal dodges, she has a voice clip that specifically triggers during her forward throw, blablabla everything else. Lots of care was put into her

I know exactly what you mean by care, it's that attention to detail, and it's obviously a great thing and I don't intend to come across as saying it doesn't matter. Heck, it's the sole reason why I might like one game over another.

I just mean it doesn't necessarily mean a game can't have some blemishes, flaws, and cut corners even if it has a lot of heart and care put into it. I mean people still sometimes act like Sonic Unleashed is the worst thing ever because of a some minor or subjective flaws when it evidently has more heart and care than almost any other Sonic game.

In any case I don't really want to stretch this out into a big thing. I just thought Khoru's initial reply to Fumi was a bit questionable.

Maybe I jumped the gun a bit myself too. We'll just leave it there before it spirals out of control.

So apparently Corrin and Bayonetta are OP. How long until they plummet down the tier list as people figure them out?

Not long at all. I don't believe either are OP and never thought they would be. And I do firmly think Corrin is the better of the two and will likely be higher on the tier list than Bayonetta on their first placements.

 

[Champ Gold]

I actually know a lot of history with Midway and their arcade games historically.


Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam/Hangtime/Showtime, NFL Blitz, NHL Hitz, MLB Slugfest, Cruisin USA (Nintendo published those games for years) the Rush games, California Speed, Hydro Thunder, Rampage, Smash TV, NARC (it's not that good), Primal Rage and the best game ever produced

Spoiler

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Jontron and AVGN played Super Smash Bros 64

Jontron said the thought of playing Smash 64 always made him feel like throwing up

 

[ChikoLad]

Someone made some cool looking ideas for Corrin alts based on other Smash ladies:

The cosmic underside to the cape of the Rosalina one is a cool touch.

 

[Burruni]

Listen.
I'm gonna be part of the minority of speaking here.
But I just can't see Mortal Kombat in Smash (not like I haven't been abundantly wrong in DLC in particular)
And part of it is the amount of raw violence and gore that's at the core of the series's identity
But...

At this point, Smash has had 7 3rd Parties.
6 of which are some of the inarguable icons of gaming. Faces of their genres.
being the biggest oddball. Arguably a very iconic face OF action games for the kind of personality she dominates and sexual tone to the way she moves, fights, and speaks.

What got Bayonetta in? Overwhelming popularity in Europe and NA that most of the community scoffed at; which isn't to say she didn't have some notable following in Japan but it wasn't nearly at the same level. Even in the small view of the Source Gaming poll she cracked top 19.

Mortal Kombat is something that I've heard just about nothing of when it comes to following that leaves the states and it being something that doesn't have much of any following in Japan in particular because of my knowledge the culture there is as strict about violence as the states are about sexual content.

And the fact that the only thing that the series has made its name FROM is the graphic violence that was the main catalyst for the ESRB to be formed in the first place....

It just doesn't seem right to me and even if one of its fighters get in it probably still won't.

I'd expect Soul Calibur or Tekken to get their foot in first, at least.

 

[OsirisOda]

Well. While this debate is happening, I'm going to make a Fates funny:

Puberty hit Saizou like a train.

 

[Champ Gold]

Someone made some cool looking ideas for Corrin alts based on other Smash ladies:

The cosmic underside to the cape of the Rosalina one is a cool touch.

I wanna see this with other fighters as well. Now do with the male fighters, with some of the fighters and even &

 

[Wolfie557]

Burruni I'm with you on the MK argument.

Someone made some cool looking ideas for Corrin alts based on other Smash ladies:

The cosmic underside to the cape of the Rosalina one is a cool touch.

Rosalina my bae's is the best!! Robins is really good too.

He/she should make one based of Bayonetta too.

 

[ChikoLad]

I think Robin's is cool because it makes some really cool thematic sense.

Makes her look like she is wearing Nohr themed armour, plus the fact there is a connection between Corrin and Robin (Codename STEAM spoiled me, lol).

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, calm down, Fumi was just giving his opinion
If you disagree with it, then at least try to counterargument instead of just saying "artistic vision"
Because no one's "artistic vision" is flawless

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I didn't realize you could export animated images in photoshop as an image sequence

I feel really dumb now

In the past, I literally saved each individual frame

 

[Wolfie557]

I NEED THIS SO MUCH.

GIVE. ( i know I'll never be able to buy this ;.; )

I really want Nintendo to expand on the plushies market outside of Mario & Pokemon.... stop being so dumb as usual.

 

[ChikoLad]

I NEED THIS SO MUCH.

GIVE. ( i know I'll never be able to buy this ;.; )

I really want Nintendo to expand on the plushies market outside of Mario & Pokemon.... stop being so dumb as usual.

Well they have Splatoon plushies so they have made a start I guess. They are mostly only in Japan for now though.

There are also Sanei plushies of Toon Link and Toon Zelda, and a bunch of Kirby ones (same company that makes a lot of the Mario, Pokémon, and Splatoon ones).

 

[BluePikmin11]

The thing got out of hand and context as usual for an opinion.

I do want to bring up the Death by Glamour thing, it was just a "what if" topic if you could replace a song in Undertale, not that I wanted to replace the song or anything.

 

[Kenith]

Well. While this debate is happening, I'm going to make a Fates funny:

Puberty hit Saizou like a train.

LMAO
He got hot

Someone made some cool looking ideas for Corrin alts based on other Smash ladies:

The cosmic underside to the cape of the Rosalina one is a cool touch.

Most of these don't really fit Corrin IMO, however the Robin palette is legit.

Listen.
I'm gonna be part of the minority of speaking here.
But I just can't see Mortal Kombat in Smash (not like I haven't been abundantly wrong in DLC in particular)
And part of it is the amount of raw violence and gore that's at the core of the series's identity
But...

At this point, Smash has had 7 3rd Parties.
6 of which are some of the inarguable icons of gaming. Faces of their genres.
being the biggest oddball. Arguably a very iconic face OF action games for the kind of personality she dominates and sexual tone to the way she moves, fights, and speaks.

What got Bayonetta in? Overwhelming popularity in Europe and NA that most of the community scoffed at; which isn't to say she didn't have some notable following in Japan but it wasn't nearly at the same level. Even in the small view of the Source Gaming poll she cracked top 19.

Mortal Kombat is something that I've heard just about nothing of when it comes to following that leaves the states and it being something that doesn't have much of any following in Japan in particular because of my knowledge the culture there is as strict about violence as the states are about sexual content.

And the fact that the only thing that the series has made its name FROM is the graphic violence that was the main catalyst for the ESRB to be formed in the first place....

It just doesn't seem right to me and even if one of its fighters get in it probably still won't.

I'd expect Soul Calibur or Tekken to get their foot in first, at least.

Hello, do you have a moment to discuss our lord and savior, Nightmare?

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm looking into the Sonic Lost World modding scene, trying to find some stage mods.

But I just found out about a technique in the game I never knew about in all my time playing it.

If you press jump while vaulting over small obstacles, you can actually propel Sonic off of it for a jump, and then pressing it again during the flip animation he does makes him jump forward. It looks super cool.

Also some of these mods really are using this game's potential with the parkour system, it's really cool to see.

 

[NintenZ]

Oh hey it's Mewtwo's birthday!
To celebrate I'll give him a cake!

Spoiler

And with that, I leave you this,

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Awesomedude fun fact of the day
The original street fighter 2 came out 25 years from today.Now how many of you feel old . Not sure if it was planned or not but the fact SF5 comes out this month is kinda cool too

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The only way I can figure out how to import multiple gifs into the same photoshop image seems to be saving them as image sequences and importing each individual frame into the image

OMG talk about tedious

I would just import them all in after effects, but I can't make a transparent background in after effects

 

[wildvine47]

I cringe whenever I see you guys seriously believe in your right heavenly minds that ANY MK character should be in Smash.

And this is coming from the most diehard MK fanboy out there. For God sakes I own 7 versions of MK2 and know the code to get the blood on the Genesis version by heart AND how to access the fighters as playable characters in NBA Jam; that's how dedicated I am to that franchise. It's just one of those franchises that have no need to be in Smash.



There's also the code for Raiden in NFL Blitz but I forgot that

I mean, is there any reason you think one shouldn't be in? I can accept lack of popularity in Japan as a big point standing in his way, but when Scorpion's got so many things that both make him a gaming icon and that tie his history to not just Nintendo but gaming as a whole, your reasoning against it being just "I cringe" and "have no need to be in Smash" just kinda falls on deaf ears here.

It's less of reasoning and more of "I don't wanna".

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm watching a French video on Yo-kai Watch right now. Interestingly enough reading through the comments, France seem to be very open about Yo-kai Watch, they seem to love Japanese culture games more than any part of Europe.