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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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For the final CSS, I had a feeling it wouldn't have added more than 14 boxes wide like many were predicting. The reason being was I noticed in Soneek's CSS hack video it didn't go wider than 14 boxes either despite adding 21 more "character" boxes (and that was before Corrin & Bayonetta too).

But honesty, even with my OCD, I'm actually not freaked out of how the final CSS setup looks (my only yet minor complaint is that Pac-Man isn't together with Sonic & Mega Man)
 

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  • He's from a western based franchise that does like trash in Japan
  • It has video game history but the history with Nintendo is so goddamn negative that it hurts them.
  • You're going to get a much more Injustice like Scorpion where it's censored.
  • He's from a franchise where the only thing it was known for was the violence and while that's big for the creation of the ESRB, that's mostly a western thing
  • While a lot of franchises can fit into Smash well, MK is one of those series that just couldn't fit
  • You think Konami is bad now, try getting through WB Games which is a massive ***** of a company and there are even bigger scumbags (see their PC ports, optimization, dropped all DLC content on Injustice for Wii U and their DLC plans and content)
  • The minor and less demand for the series.
  • It'll Jack the rating up to a Teen Rating (any cameo MK characters made always jacked the rating up. Bayonetta barely went through but was censored in a sense to keep that rating overall. MLB Slugfest had Sub-Zero and Scorpion as secret characters and the rating had to jump to a T.
  • He just overall doesn't fit that audience and isn't worth putting in.
Those are just the main reasons and there's many more. The only reason I feel like the possibility of that is because of Ryu being in Smash. Not everyone can get in and not anybody can just be in the game.
1. Again, I've acknowledged this is an issue, but even then, I've not seen any concrete proof of Mortal Kombat selling badly in Japan. At most I've heard is that it's meh-ly received, and if Yoshinori Ono's reverence for the series is anything to go by, it's can't be looked down upon THAT badly.

2. Negative? Mortal Kombat has been on every main Nintendo console barring the Wii U since it's debut on the SNES, and the SNES versions of the original trilogy are individually the best selling versions of each title. Mortal Kombat has better Nintendo history and loyalty than Street Fighter does, which jumped ship almost entirely after the SNES, and look how that turned out. If that's negative history you must have been LIVID when Ryu got in.

3. Yes, that's the idea. I even used Injustice as a good example of how to faithfully keep Scorpion intact without needing blood and gore. And considering Netherrealm themselves made Injustice and added Scorpion of their own volition, I'd say they agree. He also went on to be the best selling DLC character for Injustice as well, so clearly there's appeal to the character beyond the gratuitous violence, even amongst fiction juggernauts like Superman and Batman.

4. It is known for it's violence, but it's also known for being co-grandfather of the fighting game genre alongside Street Fighter. After Mortal Kombat came out, the amount of copycat fighters and games that attempted to cash in on its runaway success, like Bloody Roar, Killer Instinct, and more can only be compared to the rush of copycat "animal with attitude" games following Sonic's success. Mortal Kombat's impact on fighting game history isn't to be taken lightly. There's a reason Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter is one of the most requested crossovers period.

5. Before her reveal, Bayo couldn't fit. Before his reveal, Cloud couldn't fit. If I'd suggested Snake before Brawl was revealed, people would've said he couldn't fit. People even said this about Pac-Man. And look where we are. "Couldn't fit" doesn't cut it anymore.

6. Konami swore off non-mobile gaming altogether. Konami fired one of the most prestigious game developers of all time from his own franchise. Konami turned the historic Castlevania franchise into a porn-filled pachinko machine. WB Games may have had some missteps, but they're NOWHERE near as bad as current Konami. And as for licensing the character, Sakurai went through the pretty-much-literal minefield that was licensing Cloud to be in Smash. In his own words, it was a miracle. Scorpion would be far easier, especially considering Ed Boon, his creator and the one who holds the rights to the character, actually wants Scorpion to be in Smash Bros.

7. This one I'll give you, but for the most part I'd say that would be due to nobody thinking it was even possible. In the advent of the one-two punch that was Cloud and Bayonetta getting into Smash one right after the other, I'm expecting Scorpion's demand and Smash fanbase to snowball considerably on the road to Smash 5.

8. Again, I'd expect and want Scorpion to be toned down like Bayonetta. If he were to get in Smash he'd leave his bloodletting, spine-ripping tendencies behind in Mortal Kombat, where it belongs. I don't want him ripping Kirby's spine out in Smash, god no. None of his basic, iconic moveset is any worse than what Smash already has. Also, MLB Slugfest's T rating is due to comic mischief and mild violence. It has nothing to do with Scorpion and Sub-Zero, and has more to do with the On-Fire mechanic, where players that were doing really well would appear to catch on fire, meaning impressionable children might try to imitate their baseball heroes.

9. Again, Bayonetta didn't fit the audience. Cloud didn't. Snake didn't. This is both opinion and also one that's demonstrably false. I want Scorpion in Smash Bros. and I play Smash Bros. and Mortal Kombat. There's other people in this very thread who have said they would want Scorpion in. There is absolutely an audience for the character, and one that can co-exist in Smash. Bayonetta's series is littered with bloody body parts, sexual content, swearing, and even depictions of **** played up for laughs. If SHE fits the audience of Smash Bros., anyone can. Worth putting in is subjective, and considering Scorpion's legacy, I'd heavily heavily disagree with you. I'd say he's one of the most worthy third party characters left, if not THE most worthy.
 
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One incredible lack of an attempt at drawing later. . .


Then again if I actually tried it would probably never get done.

Now I have someplace tangible to put any character or item concepts. . .kind of.


Darnit, why does everything I say always sound like it's trolling? I'm just fed up with people claiming inflated opinions without even bothering to explain the logic behind them. You DID explain your platform, so here's a cookie to go along with my apology letter.

Also get Splatoon if you can, your argument for them will only get stronger with hands-on experience and it's a pretty good game to boot.
Oh hey my dream smash stage.

and it looks somewhat half-legal
 

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One incredible lack of an attempt at drawing later. . .


Then again if I actually tried it would probably never get done.

Now I have someplace tangible to put any character or item concepts. . .kind of.


Darnit, why does everything I say always sound like it's trolling? I'm just fed up with people claiming inflated opinions without even bothering to explain the logic behind them. You DID explain your platform, so here's a cookie to go along with my apology letter.

Also get Splatoon if you can, your argument for them will only get stronger with hands-on experience and it's a pretty good game to boot.
I know Phendrana when I see it!!!



err...that is Phendrana right? :p
 

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Except Smash for obvious reasons, well, Phil Spencer would want to but Nintendo can't possibly be that stupid. It would benefit MS far more than it would Nintendo. End of.
End of in your opinion. They put Cloud, the icon of Playstation who's getting a Playstation exclusive remake in. And yes, I realize he's been in 4 spinoff games none of which he's the main character of on Nintendo consoles.

And if that won't cut it, Snake. Snake, despite being in many Nintendo games, is far more a Sony figure then a Nintendo one. His inclusion in SSBB helped promote the PS3 exclusive MGS4. So I don't see how "it'd benefit another console" is an issue when it's been done twice.
 
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End of in your opinion. They put Cloud, the icon of Playstation who's getting a Playstation exclusive remake in. And yes, I realize he's been in 4 spinoff games none of which he's the main character of on Nintendo consoles.

And if that won't cut it, Snake. Snake, despite being in many Nintendo games, is far more a Sony figure then a Nintendo one. His inclusion in SSBB helped promote the PS3 exclusive MGS4. So I don't see how "it'd benefit another console" is an issue when it's been done twice.
master chief and the halo series have quite literally No history with nintendo
i can't believe this is a real thing that's being discussed
 

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master chief and the halo series have quite literally No history with nintendo
i can't believe this is a real thing that's being discussed
I cannot believe how constantly every time I bring up my wants for Smash they are replied to with a condescending unneeded post.

And anyways, nothing says that can't change. We could see Halo NX. I never said when Chief should be in; Smash 5 is a far time away.
 
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master chief and the halo series have quite literally No history with nintendo
i can't believe this is a real thing that's being discussed
For the record...Sakurai has stated that appearing on a Nintendo platform isn't a requirement for third parties...

It may be a factor...but it is not a set in stone rule, Cloud barely qualifies with his minor cameos on Nintendo platforms...

With that said, Chief has more problems than that when it comes making it into Smash...
 

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End of in your opinion. They put Cloud, the icon of Playstation who's getting a Playstation exclusive remake in. And yes, I realize he's been in 4 spinoff games none of which he's the main character of on Nintendo consoles.
To be fair, FF7 remake isn't Playstation exclusive. It's just First On Playstation, which means eventually it'll come to at least one other console.
 

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To be fair, FF7 remake isn't Playstation exclusive. It's just First On Playstation, which means eventually it'll come to at least one other console.
For a while it'll be Playstation exclusive, and if it's coming to Playstation first then it's gonna help Playstation more then any other console.
 

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If Scorpion isn't crazy neither is Master Chief lol
Honestly I'd be down for both. I think Master Chief has more hurdles to tackle but he's 100% definitely a gaming icon. I can't see Microsoft ever letting it happen though.

For a while it'll be Playstation exclusive, and if it's coming to Playstation first then it's gonna help Playstation more then any other console.
Oh yeah for sure. I'm not disagreeing that Cloud's really more Sony than Nintendo, just nitpicking. really
 
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We're bringing up Chief again, are we?

Unless Nintendo and Microsoft somehow go buddy-buddy and Microsoft lets Nintendo put their money-maker franchise on a Nintendo system, he ain't happening, even if Master Chief is "Mr. FPS" and Halo is a major series in gaming.

Putting Minecraft on Wii U is one thing (especially since Minecraft is on all current gen. platforms as of now). At this point, putting Halo on Wii U/NX or PS4 is like putting Mario on the XBOne.

Also, Cloud and Snake are not valid counterpoints as they aren't owned by Sony.
 

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It's almost like every DLC 3rd party character was chosen to say "screw your arbitrary rules speculation people"

Ryu: More than one per company
Cloud: They don't have to be heavily associated with Nintendo (or buddies with Sakurai for the "Snake doesn't count because..." crowd)
Bayonetta: Your opinions are not reflective the general public's.
 
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It's almost like every DLC 3rd party character was chosen to say "screw your arbitrary rules speculation people"

Ryu: More than one per company
Cloud: They don't have to be heavily associated with Nintendo (or buddies with Sakurai for the "Snake doesn't count because..." crowd)
Bayonetta: Your opinions are not reflective the general public's.
Exactly. There's barely any rules for Smash by now except for what we make up. Am I myself guilty of the invisible rules? Yes. But now we know they don't really exist.
 

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It's almost like every DLC 3rd party character was chosen to say "screw your arbitrary rules speculation people"

Ryu: More than one per company
Cloud: They don't have to be heavily associated with Nintendo (or buddies with Sakurai for the "Snake doesn't count because..." crowd)
Bayonetta: Your opinions are not reflective the general public's.
Bayonetta's more like 'YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO SEXY FOR US'
 

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can we get reimu and marisa in smash bros? they're from the longest-running and most prolific indie game series and up there with cave in importance to the shoot-em-up genre
oh or what about doomguy
i mean doom invented fpses pretty much so he's pretty important to gaming history
 
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I have to say this remix gives me shivers every time I listen to it.

Not so surprising though when you know it is made by the same composer who made this level infinity epic super uber remix of total awesomeness as well :

 
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Continuing on my previous post, the only conceivable way we'd get Halo on a Nintendo system would be if it was for the 3DS.
This is because Microsoft does not have a handheld gaming device like Nintendo and Sony does.

But considering the unsolicited pitch for a Halo DS went untaken, I doubt a Halo 3DS would be even considered.
 

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can we get reimu and marisa in smash bros? they're from the longest-running and most prolific indie game series and up there with cave in importance to the shoot-em-up genre
oh or what about doomguy
i mean doom invented fpses pretty much so he's pretty important to gaming history
Except Doomguy has actually been bought up by Sakurai as a possible choice for Smash.
 

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can we get reimu and marisa in smash bros? they're from the longest-running and most prolific indie game series and up there with cave in importance to the shoot-em-up genre
oh or what about doomguy
i mean doom invented fpses pretty much so he's pretty important to gaming history
I think Doomguy would rock a Chainsaw moveset. Corrin's Dragon powers mean the chainsword only gets one move that makes full use of it (forward smash).
 
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I have to say this remix gives me shivers every time I listen to it.

Not so surprising though when you know it is made by the same composer who made this level infinity epic super uber remix of total awesomeness as well :

I've already listenened to this song for at least an hour and a half now.

It's so good.
Bayonetta's more like 'YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO SEXY FOR US'
I cant call you TEA anymore.

This greatly displeases me.
 

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The only reason I would be willing to accept Master Chief if he did get in aside from possibly seeing his happy fans is because it would make Supper Smash Bros: Mishonh Form God even funnier in hindsight than it already is.

Clod Strafe. Mister Chef.

As it stands, I don't really care about him and he's covered in a whole lot more legal red tape than a typical third party due to being owned by a direct competitor rather than just an apathetic multiplat company that bailed on Nintendo. Minecraft doesn't really factor into this as Mojang and the company they hire out to do their ports already had plans to port Minecraft to everything in existence before Microsoft obtained them and Microsoft just decided that it would be fiscally wise to just go ahead and let them.
 
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The only 3rd parties characters i want now are characters from existing 3rd parties series.Tails,Zero,Bison,and Tifa would be awesome in smash and you all know in your hearts it would be too
 

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To be fair, FF7 remake isn't Playstation exclusive. It's just First On Playstation, which means eventually it'll come to at least one other console.
Or PC.

Most likely PC if it's going to come to one other platform. SE are putting a lot on PC, FFXV has already been confirmed for PC.
 

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Except Doomguy has actually been bought up by Sakurai as a possible choice for Smash.
give me a source for this.
The only 3rd parties characters i want now are characters from existing 3rd parties series.Tails,Zero,Bison,and Tifa would be awesome in smash and you all know in your hearts it would be too
>tifa
please, you can do better for FF characters
 

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The only 3rd parties characters i want now are characters from existing 3rd parties series.Tails,Zero,Bison,and Tifa would be awesome in smash and you all know in your hearts it would be too
You had me at Tails. <3
 

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So, thought I would share as this as a fun change of pace. New article written by Nantendo, @TheAnvil, and myself. This what our Konami Fighting game dream roster would look like. Coming soon to a Pachinko parlor near you!

http://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/02/06/dream-roster-konami/

>That moment when you suddenly remember Konami owns Yu-Gi-Oh

Also all these iconic characters and somehow the one I care about most is Sparkster.

. . .This roster could use Axel Gear. :3
 

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I still want Black Mage for Final Fantasy.

Or Yuna/A Summoner.

I just want someone who is a very extensive magic user in Smash in the traditional sense.

Sure, Zelda's all magic attacks, but I think you all know what I mean.
 

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The only 3rd parties characters i want now are characters from existing 3rd parties series.Tails,Zero,Bison,and Tifa would be awesome in smash and you all know in your hearts it would be too
IMO I would take Dr. Eggman, Chun-Li and Terrra, those aren't bad choices.

Zero is absolutely perfect although I prefer X over Zero IMO.
 

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give me a source for this.

>tifa
please, you can do better for FF characters
I misread. He wasn't ever considered for Smash, but Sakurai credits Doomguys creator as an influence. So nevermind.

Legit can't tell what your argument is in that post though if there is any or if you're just being snarky. But either my way mistake.

EDIT: Actually he just said the Doomguy creator was born in 1970 so neither was an infuence.
 
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