Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Since Namco is apparently making a bunch of NX games.

I'm expecting a port of Tekken 7. Wii U had Tag 2, I don't see why not.

I would buy it and play Akuma day 1

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I actually hope Smash NX won't be a version of 4 with the DLC, because otherwise, I'll feel ripped off. 'Oh, but there's some more stuff!' I already paid for all the stuff here individually, if it DOES exist, which I doubt, there better be something to compensate for people who already bought the game and DLC content

 

[epicmartin7]

Relevant.

Smash Bros. hype. pic.twitter.com/sfc062mC4S

— Liam (@liamrobertson.bsky) (@Doctor_Cupcakes) January 28, 2016

 

[Burruni]

Okay, but it's Smash 4, port or not, which is the game Sakurai directed. There is no way he will not have some sort of influence on the game series he created, whether he just be a consultant or not.


I was thinking he'd just be a simple consultant for the games development and not too much beyond that but still with a bit of a role.

If he IS just "a simple consultant."
Then he doesn't have executive power over the project.
Ergo, the Smash NX team could very well make decisions (or be told certain choices by Nintendo) that are contrary to what Sakurai set when the original versions were made concurrently.
Finishing an unfinished fighter that was MEANT to be in the game but the graphical limitations held it back is not some huge stretch.
We're not saying "SAKURAI WON'T BE AT THE HELM; WE'RE GETTING RIDLEY!!!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I actually hope Smash NX won't be a version of 4 with the DLC, because otherwise, I'll feel ripped off. 'Oh, but there's some more stuff!' I already paid for all the stuff here individually, if it DOES exist, which I doubt, there better be something to compensate for people who already bought the game and DLC content

This. Even if it had all the content from both versions, it's really not worth it unless it has something new.

Also, there is no rule that says Sakurai needs to be involved. The only real thing he "owns" is the intellectual property of the OC's like Master Hand. And I doubt he'd care if a development team he worked with used 'em. And if he is, being a consultant, as said, does not give him directive power. It just means they will take his ideas into account. Just like he did when working with Namco-Bandai. That's how Pac-Man was created, after all.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I actually hope Smash NX won't be a version of 4 with the DLC, because otherwise, I'll feel ripped off. 'Oh, but there's some more stuff!' I already paid for all the stuff here individually, if it DOES exist, which I doubt, there better be something to compensate for people who already bought the game and DLC content

TLDR
The same reason people hate UMVC3 and USFIV. But instead of Capcom we have Nintendo

 

[Schnee117]

Hmm.

The protag from Bloodborne, maybe?

Of course, they could try Dante again, if they want...

Oh yeah The Hunter would be cool to see actually.

Going with this they'd use Saw Cleaver and the Hunter Blunderbuss as weapons.

 

[Luigi The President]

If he IS just "a simple consultant."
Then he doesn't have executive power over the project.
Ergo, the Smash NX team could very well make decisions (or be told certain choices by Nintendo) that are contrary to what Sakurai set when the original versions were made concurrently.
Finishing an unfinished fighter that was MEANT to be in the game but the graphical limitations held it back is not some huge stretch.
We're not saying "SAKURAI WON'T BE AT THE HELM; WE'RE GETTING RIDLEY!!!"

Jesus, man, whatever you say. I think the prospect's completely preposturous and not happening and you think it isn't. I'm not arguing anymore on this but thanks for responding.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Can we please have Rayman next time? Please? He is definitely over due....

Like

C'mon.

In this thread

Seriously, both times 'overdue' where used here were for characters who only recently got any noticeable support. A more fitting example would be highly requested characters

 

[epicmartin7]

I also just want to point out one more thing.

Bandai Namco is currently developing several NX titles. Smash Bros is planned to be a launch title. I am not sure about the date - yet ;).

— Dr. Serkan Toto / Kantan Games Inc. (@serkantoto) January 28, 2016

When he says that he doesn't know the date, he adds "-yet =)". Now from a grammatical stance, any joe smhoe could see it. The thing is, does it imply that he might be getting more info soon? I don't really know, but it's just interesting to note.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Can we please have Rayman next time? Please? He is definitely over due....

Like

C'mon.

Listen to this man everyone! He's wise!

 

[Curious Villager]

I can't really remember the last time Chorus kids where somewhat vocally supported, it kind of went quiet around the time Smash 3DS was released.....

I wouldn't mind a Rythm Heaven character though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

In this thread

Seriously, both times 'overdue' where used here were for characters who only recently got any noticeable support. A more fitting example would be highly requested characters

Overdue would be someone like King K. Rool, Toad, Dixie, or even Ridley. Highly requested characters, notable as well. Chorus Men are not overdue, as they're far newer and not nearly as requested. The other issue is most of those requests were due to a leak. And his information was outdated to a degree, so... As for Rayman, he's nowhere super high on the major character lists. MegaMan was more of an "overdue" than he ever was. I like Rayman and all, but let's not make him out to be more major than he really is.

 

[wildvine47]

Sakurai has stated he will never unbalance the character rosters between versions. Go ahead and say "o but hes a troll" but this is a strict statement he has no reason to lie about. They're not happening.

The rosters between the 3DS and Wii U version were going to be the same, yes.

But nothing was ever said about any other version of Smash, mostly because we had no reason to believe another one existed. If Smash NX does happen, yes it'll likely be a port, but there's no reason for the two games of the past generation to hold it back from including a character that a far more powerful system could easily handle.

Ideally, here's what I'm predicting if this Smash NX thing is true.

Port of the main game of Smash Wii U plus:
+ All the 3DS stages and maybe a few extras
+ 5 - 8 more characters, with at least Ice Climbers and Wolf definitely among them.
+ Smash Run
+ Some new mode
+ Customs for the DLC characters and the new ones.
+ Even more music
+ All the trophies from Smash 3DS + Wii U, plus DLC ones and some new ones
+ More stage builder parts
+ Probably some other assorted bull****

All in all, the Ultimate Smash Bros. package. I'd be more than happy with this, even it it'd mean Ridley's still out of the picture.

Although, if Sakurai himself was the one stonewalling Ridley, and he's not working on this one, maybe there'd still be a chance. Pyrosphere would have to be overhauled or cut though.

 

[Wolfie557]

Overdue would be someone like King K. Rool, Toad, Dixie, or even Ridley. Highly requested characters, notable as well. Chorus Men are not overdue, as they're far newer and not nearly as requested. The other issue is most of those requests were due to a leak. And his information was outdated to a degree, so... As for Rayman, he's nowhere super high on the major character lists. MegaMan was more of an "overdue" than he ever was. I like Rayman and all, but let's not make him out to be more major than he really is.

Still 3x more major than Banjo OH OH OoooooooHHHHH!
And thats practically a fact.

 

[AreJay25]

The fact that Rayman has three trophies in the game still bothers the hell out of me.

Like, I can just sit there and look at his trophy in the gallery but I can't look at him on the CSS. Or in-game.

The pain never stops.

 

[Luigi The President]

Overdue would be someone like King K. Rool, Toad, Dixie, or even Ridley. Highly requested characters, notable as well. Chorus Men are not overdue, as they're far newer and not nearly as requested. The other issue is most of those requests were due to a leak. And his information was outdated to a degree, so... As for Rayman, he's nowhere super high on the major character lists. MegaMan was more of an "overdue" than he ever was. I like Rayman and all, but let's not make him out to be more major than he really is.

Neither of those are "overdue" because of their fan support. Toad's overdue because he's one of the 3 last major Mario character's not in yet. How is Dixie overdue? K. Rool is overdue because he's a new DK villain rep. Of course support factors in but if they were overdue they'd be our DLC, and not Corrin.

Chorus Men are not new, Rhythm Heaven is not new either. Both are 8 years old by now. That's pretty overdue for a Rhythm Heaven rep, and for Chorus Kids. And really the Chorus Kids would likely be an embodiment of Rhythm Heaven, basically just an avatar for a Rhythm Heaven moveset, if you get what I'm saying.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Neither of those are "overdue" because of their fan support. Toad's overdue because he's one of the 3 last major Mario character's not in yet. How is Dixie overdue? K. Rool is overdue because he's a new DK villain rep. Of course support factors in but if they were overdue they'd be our DLC, and not Corrin.

Chorus Men are not new, Rhythm Heaven is not new either. Both are 8 years old by now. That's pretty overdue for a Rhythm Heaven rep, and for Chorus Kids.

Why is a rhythm heaven rep needed

and why specifically the Chorus kids?

 

[A Distant Demon]

How is Dixie overdue?

For being playable 3 times and having her own game and being in those games for more than just 5 minutes at the end. If K rool is over due, so is Dixie

 

[IceBreakerXY]

if we do get more characters in this "smash NX" i really doubt its gonna be k rool or any 3rd parties.And i extremely doubt ridley(which seems to be the general popular opinion) It probably just be ice climbers and inklings with a couple new stages

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why is a rhythm heaven rep needed

and why specifically the Chorus kids?

Because Sal said it. Also, Sal is a pleb, he made an article on the new Kamen Rider Battride War without any prior knowledge of the franchise, the comment section fixed the article for him XD

 

[SkywardStriker16]

This. Even if it had all the content from both versions, it's really not worth it unless it has something new.
Also, there is no rule that says Sakurai needs to be involved.

1) Considering I bought both versions and every new character and stage, it still won't be worth it completely. Even if there is something new.
I don't even care that I'm buying TPHD and still have the Wii version, because there's a stark difference. One, that game is almost TEN years old, as opposed to TWO for both versions of Smash (by Fall 2016.) Plus, that game is a remake, and this won't be anything more than an enhanced remaster (as 3DS stages would need to be converted to HD...)
2) We've said it so many times that I hate saying it again, but...Smash is Sakurai's baby. That said, I don't think he'd have a major hand in firsthand developing this, but he WOULD still be overseeing it. He's not going to abandon that series and give it completely to Bandai Namco so they can turn the next installment into Smashen Tournament

Overall, kinda mad that Smash NX might be so soon on the horizon, especially with Smash DLC wrapping up next month (and my plans to buy it) I probably won't get the title until its price drops to like $20-30-40 or something. I'm just in no mood to buy another version of a barely-enhanced Smash 4 for full price.

 

[Strofirko]

10 pages later people still talking about random joe tweet,amazing.
Is like nobody learnt nothing of shovel knight and derivates.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Neither of those are "overdue" because of their fan support. Toad's overdue because he's one of the 3 last major Mario character's not in yet. How is Dixie overdue? K. Rool is overdue because he's a new DK villain rep. Of course support factors in but if they were overdue they'd be our DLC, and not Corrin.

Chorus Men are not new, Rhythm Heaven is not new either. Both are 8 years old by now. That's pretty overdue for a Rhythm Heaven rep, and for Chorus Kids.

> Implying Rhythm Heaven is a severely notable series that people even care about a specific character. Chorus Men are popular because of Gematsu, not because of their own merits.

King K. Rool and Dixie Kong are both very notable characters with their own merits. Not because "new DK villain". Now because "DK rep". But because they're loved characters that people want to play as. That's not the only reason to add them.

You're right about Toad, and that applies to the rest as well of who I said.

 

[Luigi The President]

Why is a rhythm heaven rep needed

and why specifically the Chorus kids?

Why is an Xenoblade rep needed?

Rhythm Heaven is one of the most famous rhythm franchises of all time, and Nintendo's most famous rhythm series of all time that has great sales and a big fanbase. Why is a Rhythm HEAVEN Rep NOT needed?

I'd prefer Karate Joe over the Chorus Kids, honestly, but Chorus Kids, with the 3 character gimmick, would be the most unique.

For being playable 3 times and having her own game and being in those games for more than just 5 minutes at the end. If K rool is over due, so is Dixie

Yeah, you're right, actually. Still though, there's few characters actually "overdue".

 

[Burruni]

10 pages later people still talking about random joe tweet,amazing.
Is like nobody learnt nothing of shovel knight and derivates.

Except this is a person that has more reason to be believed instead of just someone in the community trying to get 15 minutes of fam?

 

[epicmartin7]

Sorry to say this guys, but this kind of feels like Tower of Smash all over again. I think that we should really stop character debates until this thing is confirmed or not as we don't really know if this rumor is false or not. Not saying character debates are bad, it's just we kind of go over the top sometimes...

 

[Wolfie557]

Neither of those are "overdue" because of their fan support. Toad's overdue because he's one of the 3 last major Mario character's not in yet. How is Dixie overdue? K. Rool is overdue because he's a new DK villain rep. Of course support factors in but if they were overdue they'd be our DLC, and not Corrin.

Chorus Men are not new, Rhythm Heaven is not new either. Both are 8 years old by now. That's pretty overdue for a Rhythm Heaven rep, and for Chorus Kids. And really the Chorus Kids would likely be an embodiment of Rhythm Heaven, basically just an avatar for a Rhythm Heaven moveset, if you get what I'm saying.

By your logic Rayman is more overdue since hes even older at 20 or so. XD

 

[AreJay25]

While we're at it.

Fix this.

For the love of all that is good, fix this.

 

[Luigi The President]

> Implying Rhythm Heaven is a severely notable series that people even care about a specific character. Chorus Men are popular because of Gematsu, not because of their own merits.

King K. Rool and Dixie Kong are both very notable characters with their own merits. Not because "new DK villain". Now because "DK rep". But because they're loved characters that people want to play as. That's not the only reason to add them.

You're right about Toad, and that applies to the rest as well of who I said.

And that implication is right lol. It's a very notable series for it's genre and even not for the genre it's pretty notable as a Nintendo series. And even then, a Rhythm Heaven rep in general is popular for their own merits, not for Gematsu.

I don't see how them being "notable" makes them overdue. If they were overdue, would they not already be in Smash?

And no, that does not apply to the rest of what you said, Toad is a very different case from Dixie or K. Rool in my opinion. Unless I'm misconcieving what it "applies" to.

By your logic Rayman is more overdue since hes even older at 20 or so. XD

When did I once bring up Rayman

 

[A Distant Demon]

10 pages later people still talking about random joe tweet,amazing.
Is like nobody learnt nothing of shovel knight and derivates.

I kind of assumed we were all talking in hypotheticals.

Tower of Smash

*war flashbacks*

 

[Chrono.]

If they do make Smash 4 NX, I wonder how they'll handle it.

A Wii U port implies that cross-play will happen, as in NX owners will be able to play with Wii U owners. That alone would make new characters a no-no, as either they'd have to be available to Wii U owners, and 3DS owners by proxy.

On the other hand, Nintendo's recent consoles and handhelds usually have Backwards Compatibility, so a port is meaningless, unless of course BC isn't happening (which is possible).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

And that implication is right lol. It's a very notable series for it's genre and even not for the genre it's pretty notable as a Nintendo series. And even then, a Rhythm Heaven rep in general is popular for their own merits, not for Gematsu.

I don't see how them being "notable" makes them overdue. If they were overdue, would they not already be in Smash?

And no, that does not apply to the rest of what you said, Toad is a very different case from Dixie or K. Rool in my opinion. Unless I'm misconcieving what it "applies" to.


When did I once bring up Rayman

The sales may be good for the genre

But you can add any kind of "Good for it's..."

Such as "Super Mario RPG had excessively good sales for Nintendo/ Square partnership games with a wooden puppet character"

But, y'know OVERALL it doesn't seem that important.

Smash doesn't have to represent every genre of video games. just, the important genres

 

[Strofirko]

Except this is a person that has more reason to be believed instead of just someone in the community trying to get 15 minutes of fam?

Cuz "layton guy" and the "pop insider" weren't trustable enough.
If this were true,tongues would be cut in an instant.
Instead we are dealing with the "average tweet fart".
The stuff you rely on is convincing as that tweet from the guy who predicted cloud and a 3DS version of smash.

 

[BluePikmin11]

> Implying Rhythm Heaven is a severely notable series that people even care about a specific character. Chorus Men are popular because of Gematsu, not because of their own merits.

King K. Rool and Dixie Kong are both very notable characters with their own merits. Not because "new DK villain". Now because "DK rep". But because they're loved characters that people want to play as. That's not the only reason to add them.

You're right about Toad, and that applies to the rest as well of who I said.

The RH franchise is very popular in Japan. Its newest game on the 3DS managed to outsell Fire Emblem Fates in Japan in 2015. Even if they aren't nearly as requested, they are still an essential part of Nintendo's history, the franchise is responsible for making the Nintendo DS very popular with the second installment.

We've seen far more representation for RH than Nintendo's other niche franchises like Golden Sun, Advance Wars, etc. with the Smash Run enemy, trophies, and songs in the game. If the technical limitations are not going to hamper the NX version this time, then I can see them being in the game alongside Ice Climbers at the least.

 

[Luigi The President]

The sales may be good for the genre

But you can add any kind of "Good for it's..."

Such as "Super Mario RPG had excessively good sales for Nintendo/ Square partnership games with a wooden puppet character"

But, y'know OVERALL it doesn't seem that important.

Smash doesn't have to represent every genre of video games. just, the important genres

And rhythm is explosively popular in Japan, so it's a pretty important genre at least over there. And sales was just one point I bought up, I guess you didn't see the rest?

 

[A Distant Demon]

And even then, a Rhythm Heaven rep in general is popular for their own merits, not for Gematsu.

It really isn't. There are pretty much no RH supporters in my group or anywhere else. A few stragglers here and there but RH definitely is not a "popular reqeust" by any stretch of the imagination.

Chorus Kids are pretty much the only case of RH popularity and their popularity plummeted fter Robin reveal and then plummeted again after the ESRB leak

 

[Curious Villager]

I'd imagine it would probably be like Hyrule Warriors Legends. Adding all the base content and DLC into the base game (Perhaps all or most content from both versions too) as well as including some new characters and content for a bit more incentive to get the new version for those who already played the previous two versions. (Minus the whole code thing to get all the new stuff as DLC for the older versions bit)

That's what I think they would do assuming they would really do some kind of enhanced port for the NX.....

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Just put in Inklings, Chorus Kids, Isaac, Andy and add the Ice Climbers back and I think we're good on Nintendo franchises for now.

 

[Luigi The President]

It really isn't. There are pretty much no RH supporters in my group or anywhere else. A few stragglers here and there but RH definitely is not a "popular reqeust" by any stretch of the imagination.

Chorus Kids are pretty much the only case of RH popularity and their popularity plummeted fter Robin reveal and then plummeted again after the ESRB leak

As we learned through the Ballot, groups aren't the only places relevant to Smash reps. We didnt' see Bayonetta as a popular request but who's our DLC character?