Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I can't agree with that given Peach's portrayals in a lot of spin-offs, and especially the Paper Mario games.

Francis x Alphys would be an interesting pair.



Oh god, what am I saying?

 

[Roaring Salsa]

Random question time... do you think the Junior Clown Car has become a mainstay in the Mario franchise and we'll rarely see Jr. without it?

Super Mario Galaxy 2 introduced Jr.'s preference for robots, and the next Mario game introduced the Junior Clown Car

Junior Clown Car's appearances:

• New Super Mario Bros. Wii
• New Super Mario Bros. Wii U / New Super Luigi U
• Super Mario Maker
• Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
• Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
• Paper Mario: Sticker Star
• Mario Party 9
• Mario Party 10
• Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash
• Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition
• Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge
• Super Smash Bros. 4

I think the only times we'll now see Jr. without the Junior Clown Car will be in newer Mario Kart and Olympic games

 

[Burruni]

Francis x Alphys would be an interesting pair.



Oh god, what am I saying?

We don't need people to start getting ideas.

Edit:

Random question time... do you think the Junior Clown Car has become a mainstay in the Mario franchise and we'll rarely see Jr. without it?

Super Mario Galaxy 2 introduced Jr.'s preference for robots, and the next Mario game introduced the Junior Clown Car

Junior Clown Car's appearances:

• New Super Mario Bros. Wii
• New Super Mario Bros. Wii U / New Super Luigi U
• Super Mario Maker
• Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
• Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
• Paper Mario: Sticker Star
• Mario Party 9
• Mario Party 10
• Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash
• Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition
• Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge
• Super Smash Bros. 4

I think the only times we'll now see Jr. without the Junior Clown Car will be in newer Mario Kart and Olympic games

Frankly, I see the Junior Copter ending up being an "Eggomatic" for Junior that will end up getting used as a "core bit" into larger and more complicated mechs when we get something like a Galaxy 3.

It's a bit better than him clutching to the Paintbrush alone.

 

[ChikoLad]

Random question time... do you think the Junior Clown Car has become a mainstay in the Mario franchise and we'll rarely see Jr. without it?

Super Mario Galaxy 2 introduced Jr.'s preference for robots, and the next Mario game introduced the Junior Clown Car

Junior Clown Car's appearances:

• New Super Mario Bros. Wii
• New Super Mario Bros. Wii U / New Super Luigi U
• Super Mario Maker
• Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
• Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
• Paper Mario: Sticker Star
• Mario Party 9
• Mario Party 10
• Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash
• Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition
• Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge
• Super Smash Bros. 4

I think the only times we'll now see Jr. without the Junior Clown Car will be in newer Mario Kart and Olympic games

Jr's tinkering aspect is something that debuted in Sunshine actually. He had a big mech in it.

And yes I think it will be a mainstay.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Pretty much my thoughts on specific character discussions that go on longer than a page in anything but their respective support threads.

 

[Fenriraga]

I think the moral of the story is all 3 Princesses seem to walk the line of Feminine and Tomboy in one way or another, because Nintendo doesn't want to lean too far one way since doing so would alienate one side of the female preference.

Like, Daisy is definitely more leanient to the tomboy side but I still know plenty of people who don't think it looks right seeing her outside of her princess dress because there's just something offputting about it.

 

[ChikoLad]

I think the moral of the story is all 3 Princesses seem to walk the line of Feminine and Tomboy in one way or another, because Nintendo doesn't want to lean too far one way since doing so would alienate one side of the female preference.

Like, Daisy is definitely more leanient to the tomboy side but I still know plenty of people who don't think it looks right seeing her outside of her princess dress because there's just something offputting about it.

Which is the third princess, again????

Also Daisy doesn't come across as a tomboy at all to me. It's stated in bios but the only time she has actually seen decent characterisation portrayed her as anything but.

Peach really doesn't either, for obvious reasons. I was just pointing out that she's actually quite headstrong at times which isn't really a tomboyish thing.

Rosalina is the only one who has any meaningful tomboy qualities to me.

 

[aldelaro5]

Francis x Alphys would be an interesting pair.



Oh god, what am I saying?

OH GOD!

dude, this is going to get serious like i don't think humans can handle THIS much nerdness.....

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

OH GOD!

dude, this is going to get serious like i don't think humans can handle THIS much nerdness.....

X Grodus and Mew Mew Kissy 2 anyone?

 

[Deleted member]

Jared uploaded his Top 5 Worst and Best Games of 2015
Still have to watch the top 5 best tho
Warning: some swearing

Guess who's number 1?

 

[Substitution]

Jared uploaded his Top 5 Worst and Best Games of 2015
Still have to watch the top 5 best tho
Warning: some swearing

Guess who's number 1?

Huh. I thought he said he wasn't doing one. Interesting...

 

[Fenriraga]

Which is the third princess, again????

Also Daisy doesn't come across as a tomboy at all to me. It's stated in bios but the only time she has actually seen decent characterisation portrayed her as anything but.

Peach really doesn't either, for obvious reasons. I was just pointing out that she's actually quite headstrong at times which isn't really a tomboyish thing.

Rosalina is the only one who has any meaningful tomboy qualities to me.

The princess bit is a force of habit, sorry. :V

Part of it stems from Daisy wearing shorts a lot in the sports games, while Peach still wears the sports dress. Daisy also doesn't have the same sort of... grace that Peach has, for a lack of a better term. Where Peach will blow kisses when winning a race and Rosalina politely waves, Daisy will jump excitedly in her seat. Where Peach and Rosalina will fall over almost like a faint when they get a triple bogey in golf, Daisy will literally shove the camera away extremely forcefully and growl angrily.

I think the problem is really the general stigma that comes with the title of a Princess. Which, like it or not, Rosalina is stuck with even though she really isn't one.

Also you REALLY have to read between the lines to see a lot of Rosalina's Tomboy aspects. Such as reading a book you never actually have to even touch in the actual game.

Everyone has their own interpretation of what classifies a Tomboy I guess.

 

[BandanaWaddleDee]

Which is the third princess, again?

Isn't it obvious?

Spoiler

 

[Chrono.]

Streets gets a story.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Isn't it obvious?

Spoiler

Let's be honest, Wapeachy should have been a real spinoff character.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Jared uploaded his Top 5 Worst and Best Games of 2015
Still have to watch the top 5 best tho
Warning: some swearing

Guess who's number 1?

Expected Undertale

got a pleasent surprise

 

[memoryman3]

You obsess over Daisy's tomboyishness but yet claim you ignore all story and "canon"

What an interesting development

It's mainly because it ends up in discussions like ''This guy is NOT a tomboy because this, this and this are not in canon'' or ''Baby Rosalina doesn't match with the storybook canon'' and other long, winding discussions.

I enjoy playing as Daisy in Mario Kart because her boundless enthusiasm often gets into the skin of everyone around me. Is that really something that can be shot down by ''canon''?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Capcom outright comes out and says that most of the most wanted characters are going to be DLC and part of season passes?

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, now for the best

Guess who's number 1?

Spoiler

Jared with Monster Hunter is literally me with Etrian Odyssey

Huh. I thought he said he wasn't doing one. Interesting...

This is some days old

Expected Undertale

got a pleasent surprise

Nah, if Undertale was the worst game the video would have more dislikes than Federation Force's trailer

 

[Burruni]

Capcom outright comes out and says that most of the most wanted characters are going to be DLC and part of season passes?

Where did this come up?
I have 0 investment for SFV as a purchase and Capcom has been Crapcom before.
I just want to see it for myself.

 

[A Distant Demon]

It's mainly because it ends up in discussions like ''This guy is NOT a tomboy because this, this and this are not in canon'' or ''Baby Rosalina doesn't match with the storybook canon'' and other long, winding discussions.

This is called a "counter argument"
If you are spouting propaganda which is shown to not be true from the canon then you have a problem. I dont spread Viridi is some insane sadistic killer with no heart because of a head canon. If something isnt canon than it isn't a good point towards their inclusion in smash. People dont get in on headcanons (Except maybe Roy lol)

If you aren't going to accept "long winded discussions" to counter your propaganda then stop having long winded and consistent propaganda



also from the trailer

This pleases me

 

[Burruni]

This is called a "counter argument"
If you are spouting propaganda which is shown to not be true from the canon then you have a problem. I dont spread Viridi is some insane sadistic killer with no heart because of a head canon. If something isnt canon than it isn't a good point towards their inclusion in smash. People dont get in on headcanons (Except maybe Roy lol)

If you aren't going to accept "long winded discussions" to counter your propaganda then stop having long winded and consistent propaganda



also from the trailer

This pleases me

HER HAIR.
HER CHEST.
10/10 PHYSICS DETECTIONS

 

[A Distant Demon]

HER HAIR.
HER CHEST.
10/10 PHYSICS DETECTIONS

It really says something about the two of us that I didnt notice this and you immediately noticed something about her chest

 

[Deleted member]

Except maybe Roy lol)

My headcanon is that it isn't Roy in Smash 4 but it's actually Eliwood who was just passing by and Master Hand confused him with his son so now he's in Smash using his son's name

Spoiler

I wish ;_;

 

[memoryman3]

If you are spouting propaganda which is shown to not be true from the canon then you have a problem.

It's even in her bios, and shown in her animations, which are more exaggerated compared to the other females! I don't see how she isn't one in canon.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Nah, if Undertale was the worst game the video would have more dislikes than Federation Force's trailer

Yet IGN's reasoning on why Undertale is th best PC games got LOADS of dislikes.

But then again, it's just haters being haters. And the IGN fanboys that defend their worst reviews are no better.

 

[Deleted member]

It's even in her bios, and shown in her animations, which are more exaggerated compared to the other females! I don't see how she isn't one in canon.

She would have a canon personality... if she... appeared on it in the first place

 

[ChikoLad]

The princess bit is a force of habit, sorry. :V

Part of it stems from Daisy wearing shorts a lot in the sports games, while Peach still wears the sports dress. Daisy also doesn't have the same sort of... grace that Peach has, for a lack of a better term. Where Peach will blow kisses when winning a race and Rosalina politely waves, Daisy will jump excitedly in her seat. Where Peach and Rosalina will fall over almost like a faint when they get a triple bogey in golf, Daisy will literally shove the camera away extremely forcefully and growl angrily.

I think the problem is really the general stigma that comes with the title of a Princess. Which, like it or not, Rosalina is stuck with even though she really isn't one.

Also you REALLY have to read between the lines to see a lot of Rosalina's Tomboy aspects. Such as reading a book you never actually have to even touch in the actual game.

Everyone has their own interpretation of what classifies a Tomboy I guess.

I'll give you the Mario Golf comparison, but I will also maintain that it's ridiculously out of character for Rosalina ("god fainted because she missed in golf"), and I think her bogey animation should have been completely different (depicting her as nonchalant/aloof to it would have been much more in character. Or having her accidentally hit a ball into orbit, would have been a nice gag with the space theme). I'm not too bothered by it though because IIRC, it's basically a bit of an inside joke for the bogey animations to be stupidly over the top and out of character in Mario Golf (like Mario sobbing uncontrollably), so it's just a series tradition thing. Also Rosalina's portrayal in that game is otherwise quite fantastic.

On the whole though, I just feel Rosalina has more meaningful elements of being a tomboy. And no, you really don't have to read between the lines. That MK8 render speaks for itself (and CPU Rosalina's often default to that set up in game). The Garage is literally right there on the Observatory and she points it out to you. And most people do read the first chapter of the storybook at least, as the game sort of leads you into the library when it first becomes available, so most people check it out thinking there might be more levels in there. And since the part where Rosalina fixes Luma's ship is in the first chapter, it's right there for a lot of players. And then her 3D World voice clips are there constantly as you play as her.

The common misconception about tomboys is that they have to be a girl that acts like a boy all of the time or JUST like's boyish things. But that's not the case. It just has to be at least a noticable part of their character, and I feel it is with Rosalina most of the time, but I don't see it with Daisy most of the time.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So there's iOS port of the Witness coming 2016, I think I might get that version, as long its not glitchy. The gameplay looks simplistic enough to not be that glitchy. The more I watch gameplay the more I'm interested.

 

[Burruni]

It really says something about the two of us that I didnt notice this and you immediately noticed something about her chest

THEY TOOK AWAY THE BUTTSLAP.
SO ALL I HAVE LEFT IS THE CHEST!
(But I was actually caught by the massive friggin glare between the breast and armpit and the hair was adjacent)

 

[ChikoLad]

Milla's voice actress from Freedom Planet celebrates her birthday today, and the FP Facebook page gave us a brief glimpse at Milla's FP2 sprite in celebration.

 

[memoryman3]

Just as this debate is going on, I found this tidbit from Nintendo's official Tumblr!

Princess Daisy also made her debut, and would eventually become an important member of the Super Mario Bros. character roster.

Seems...interesting

 

[Fatmanonice]

Where did this come up?
I have 0 investment for SFV as a purchase and Capcom has been Crapcom before.
I just want to see it for myself.

See the end of the SFV trailer above.

 

[ChikoLad]

uh oh

Spoiler

They definitely be trolling.

 

[Burruni]

Just as this debate is going on, I found this tidbit from Nintendo's official Tumblr!



Seems...interesting

Nobody's been arguing if she is or isn't an important character in Mario's spinoffs.
Because if she was missing from, say, Mario Kart 9 people would turn heads.
People have been arguing against her being major enough to make the jump to smash.

Edit:

See the end of the SFV trailer above.

Oh...
I'm a derp.

Double Edit: Still no sign for Blanka or Sakura. rip.

 

[Geno Boost]

Am I the only one who got bored from playing Super Mario Maker after 1 week of playing it?

 

[Chrono.]

So the first SFV DLC character is releasing in March, and it's probably Balrog.

 

[Zzuxon]

I don't think cutting the BALLOT character is exactly a great move. Yeah it could happen if relations sour and negotiations become troublesome but honestly? It's a slap in the face to everyone that voted. Bayonetta fans are disappointed and the ballot salt comes back with "They should have picked a character that would actually stay like *insert character that isn't on the next SSB's initial roster here*!"

Reducing a character to an alt is outright idiotic and unnecessary. Even then, you also want to cut the character who WON THE OFFICIAL POPULARITY CONTEST

Choosing characters based on popularity is poor reasoning. If it were good reasoning, It logically follows that Goku, Shadow, and Shrek would be good inclusions.
The fact that someone as unimportant as Bayonetta was chosen based on popularity just proves my point.
The only good rationale for choosing characters is importance.

 

[Fenriraga]

I'll give you the Mario Golf comparison, but I will also maintain that it's ridiculously out of character for Rosalina ("god fainted because she missed in golf"), and I think her bogey animation should have been completely different (depicting her as nonchalant/aloof to it would have been much more in character. Or having her accidentally hit a ball into orbit, would have been a nice gag with the space theme). I'm not too bothered by it though because IIRC, it's basically a bit of an inside joke for the bogey animations to be stupidly over the top and out of character in Mario Golf (like Mario sobbing uncontrollably), so it's just a series tradition thing. Also Rosalina's portrayal in that game is otherwise quite fantastic.

On the whole though, I just feel Rosalina has more meaningful elements of being a tomboy. And no, you really don't have to read between the lines. That MK8 render speaks for itself (and CPU Rosalina's often default to that set up in game). The Garage is literally right there on the Observatory and she points it out to you. And most people do read the first chapter of the storybook at least, as the game sort of leads you into the library when it first becomes available, so most people check it out thinking there might be more levels in there. And since the part where Rosalina fixes Luma's ship is in the first chapter, it's right there for a lot of players. And then her 3D World voice clips are there constantly as you play as her.

The common misconception about tomboys is that they have to be a girl that acts like a boy all of the time or JUST like's boyish things. But that's not the case. It just has to be at least a noticable part of their character, and I feel it is with Rosalina most of the time, but I don't see it with Daisy most of the time.

Alright, I think I'm starting to get what you're saying. I guess it's still just hard to picture her that way. But grace and calmness =/= feminine the more I actually think about it.

And thinking about it MORE Smash is pretty much the perfect backup to that. Her taunts and victories in particular, especially when compared to Peach, really are pretty out there in comparison to miss "Ohhh, did I wiiiiiin?". She kinda gives me a Palutena vibe more than a Zelda vibe, if that is an apt enough comparison.

I learned an important lesson about stereotypes today, wheeeeeeeee. Space Moms are the coolest.

 

[ChikoLad]

Am I the only one who got bored from playing Super Mario Maker after 1 week?

I kinda got bored of it after a while.

It's so hard to get my levels noticed. The only one people care about is the Marble Zone Act 1 remake I did.

I'll wait until the final update is out before I get back into it.

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So to move to a more interesting discussion topic, check this out.

http://www.classification.gov.au/Pa...LKuLB2C+PWzkmzTOhFnAAM5FqawLmVA0tWHsHBG9lWpXU

The Australian rating board for games has rated Star Fox: Zero, and mentions "online interactivity".

While it could just be Miiverse stuff, it's worth noting that the page for Super Mario 3D World doesn't mention anything about online interactivity in it's rating even though it has Miiverse integration (using it as an example, it just jumped to mind).

http://www.classification.gov.au/Pa...VkAQK5GCPPaHrTQKmyufPOvfJBC2GEmxjTIXB0A%3d%3d

However, the Wind Waker HD one mentions it soooo....eh?

http://www.classification.gov.au/Pa...1awHpfrj3fAE+DMG7mImhk0MutPThMsvZk02AT4SikKie