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Post Direct roster. I think 8 unique and 8 echoes. This would be pretty similar to what we got in Melee.

Unique:
-Inkling
-Ridley
-Simon Belmont
-King K. Rool
-Tapu Koko
-Bandana Dee
-Skull Kid
-Geno

The focus seems to be on fan demand and aside from a Gen VII mon which almost guarnteed, the other newcomers are big names who have a shot. Do note they're all from already repped franchises. Since we don;t seem to be getting any more stages, I don't foresee a Golden Sun or Rhythm Heaven character without a stage. All four of these newcomers have thing going for them. Between demand (Dee), Sakurai's history with wanting them (Geno), or do a lack of appearance thus far in game (Skull Kid).

Echoes:
-Daisy
-Richter Belmont
-Chrom
-Dark Samus
-Isabelle
-Shadow
-Impa
-Dixie Kong

We now know with Chrom and Dark Samus that echoes can have a bit more of a unique flair to them, which really helps Shadow and Dixie who I can see getting separate up specials as well as unique animations all around. Isabelle is on here partially cause of Verge and because she's popular. Impa is admittedly personal bias as with K. Rool and Ridley in, she's now my most wanted, but I think she meets all the criteria to be a Sheik echo.
 

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No im not smoking.

I have my reasoning for this roster. im still not sure on this being the total roster, but im confident in these characters making it in

Blue: Veteran

Green: Confirmed

Red: Unique Newcomers

Yellow: Echoes (and in the case of Ken and Dixie at least, while i see them sharing the same stats as their respective parent character, i think they will be the most unique echoes, to the point where you could even consider them Semi-clones, though with no stat changes
 

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how boy we're going this again aren't we

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Echoes:
Galacta Knight - We really have no proper Kirby villain, with Meta and Dedede being rivals. Thought Galacta can be a fit, even if he's an echo
Dixie Kong - Pretty much a shoe-in at this point. We all know how Chrom is a Roy echo with an Ike up special. This can be applied to Dixie who can have Donkey Kong's up special
Shadow - ...also a shoe-in basically. Like Chrom and Dixie, his up special can be changed to Mewtwo's
Viridi - I've thought about this one for a while; she's on the Reset Bomb Forest stage, but then again how do you explain Great Bay and the Moon AT. Probably my most wanted echo so far.

I originally planned Ken, Akuma, and Isabelle.

Newcomers:
Geno - At this point, if Sakurai really wants to include Geno as a fighter, he can just do so; it also helps that he's a pretty strong ballot contender.
Isaac - Having not played any Golden Sun game, I was hesitant about Isaac. He's pretty popular here, that's all I can really say.
Bandana Dee - My most wanted character. He's incredibly popular in Japan, similar how Ridley's incredibly popular overseas. He's also the current top pick for the Japanese ballot since K Rool is out of the way.
Banjo and Kazooie - If Microsoft themselves say Banjo can be in Smash, hopefully Sakurai has no objections. Plus, for the first time in over a decade, the bear and bird can finally return home.

I originally planned a 7th gen Pokemon and Elma, which, I hope I'm wrong and decide to come forth.
 
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This roster here is probably what I think it could be. It's a bit large, but I listed in characters who I thought can make it in so it's more of a map than an actual roster if that makes any sense.

Unique:
Captain Toad - I have a feeling that there will be a unique Mario newcomer and he is the most likely one in my opinion.

Bandana Dee - There is a need for a new Kirby character and Bandana Dee is getting increasingly popular so I believe Sakurai will put him in.

Skull Kid - Just like Kirby, there is a great need for a unique Zelda character, even more so than any other franchise in my opinion. Alongside with the Moon being an assist now, I think Skull Kid has a chance as he hasn't been deconfirmed yet.

Decidueye - 7th gen Pokemon rep and also fully evolved grass starter rep.

Isaac - He's another one wanted a lot by the fans, he's a similar case like K. Rool in terms of how the fans want him so he has a high chance (also I forgot to put him in the roster).

Rex - Might be DLC, but Sakurai really enjoys Xenoblade 2 so I would not be surprised if Rex made it in.

Spring Man - Also could be DLC due to being more recent, but as a new Nintendo ip, he cannot miss this chance in Smash.

New Retro Character - Could be anyone, I just put in Starman because he's a wrestling character and would be interesting.

Tails - Knuckles is an assist and if Konami has 3 reps, then I would say that the other third parties could chip in one or two more characters. Tails just makes sense to me for Sega to put into Smash.

Lloyd - Heihachi probably has a better chance, but I think Lloyd did well in the ballot and also made it in as a Mii costume in the previous game so I'm hoping Namco and Sakurai can make Lloyd in Smash a reality (maybe as DLC).

Geno - Sakurai had talked about putting Geno in Smash before and he is a heavily requested character in every Smash that comes out (kinda like K. Rool and Ridley hmmmm).

Rayman - Ubisoft and Nintendo's relationship is growing and the best way to show this even more is to put Rayman in Smash. Fox is already appearing in Ubisoft's new ip, so why not have Rayman in Smash? He was a trophy in the last game and right now is the perfect time for Rayman to be in Smash.

Crash Bandicoot - DLC character most likely if he were to be in. Similarly to how Cloud was revealed, the reveal for Crash could be similar and it seems that more western characters are making it into Smash.

Travis Touchdown - Another DLC character. Goichi Suda really wants Travis in Smash and I think fans of the series would appreciate it as well. His reveal would probably be very similar to the Bayonetta one (M-rated character from a smaller third party).

Banjo & Kazooie - Phil Spencer said it was okay and this is yet another wanted character in the same vein as K. Rool, Ridley, and Geno. Sakurai seems to be really listening to the fanbase and wants to make this Smash a real blast to play so this could actually happen.

Echoes:
Dry Bowser - Bowser echo. He seems to be pretty popular in the Mario spin-offs so I figure that Dry Bowser is a good candidate for Smash. Plus an undead character would be cool.

Dixie Kong - Diddy echo. She is a very wanted character and since K. Rool made it in, I would not be surprised if Sakurai placed Dixie as the sweet cherry on top for DK fans. Remember that echoes can be slightly different like Chrom and Dark Samus so she could have some hair attacks.

Booster - Ah yes BOOSTER.... Wario echo. So another Mario RPG rep? Now hear me out, I think he could be a viable choice for an echo character if Geno makes it in. It would be a nice bonus. Likely? I don't think so. Nice? Of course. (Boshi could also be a Yoshi echo.)

Dr. Luigi - Luigi/Dr. Mario echo, not sure. I just placed him here because he really fits in Smash right now, but he doesn't seem very likely.

Dark Meta Knight - Meta Knight echo. Galacta Knight is another choice, but I chose DMK because he's relevant again in Star Allies and I think he has a cool moveset there as well. He would also be a Kirby villain character which is great.

Tetra - Toon Link echo. We have 3 Links so why not a third Zelda? I could see this happening.

Yuga - Ganondorf echo. With Zelda being based off of her Link to the Worlds self, I think Yuga would the perfect to be in as a Ganondorf echo (just replace the sword with a rod/staff instead). Another Zelda villain would be nice too.

Blaziken - Lucario echo. Blaziken has been wanted by many and is pretty popular so making him like a fire version of Lucario (a la Roy = Fire Marth in Melee) would be cool. Also, it would give us two of each starter type: water (Squirtle/Greninja), grass (Ivysaur/Decidueye), fire (Charizard/Blaziken).

Black Knight - Ike echo. Fire Emblem villain... that's about it, can't say much else.

Medusa - Palutena echo. Viridi is more wanted, but Medusa can fit Palutena's dimensions and will also fit the villain role for Kid Icarus. Plus Sakurai loves this series so not having a new Kid Icarus character would be strange.

Black Shadow - Captain Falcon echo. New F-Zero rep (fans want), villain, enough said.

Ninten - Ness echo. Maybe he can make it in to round off the Mother protagonists.

Isabelle - Villager echo. Very loved character so she might be put in by Sakurai as well.

Octoling - Inkling echo. I shouldn't really have to explain.

Ribbon Girl - If Spring Man makes it as DLC, I think having Ribbon Girl as his echo would be nice since she is also a requested character. If not her, then another ARMs character (Twintelle is popular as well).

Urban Champion - Little Mac echo. I figured that if a new retro character comes in, why not a second one that's an echo? Sakurai DID want to put this guy in Melee and now is his chance to place him here now easily.

Shadow - Sonice echo. Need I say anything at all?

Akuma - Ryu echo. Ken is also another choice, but I think Akuma is not only more popular and iconic, but is also another villain that can be used.

Ms. Pac-Man - Pac-Man echo. For fun.

Squall - Cloud echo. I would say Zack, but I think Squall would be much better and would attract more people. He could also be Fire Cloud (see: Fire Marth)

Jeanne - Bayonetta echo. Makes sense and can be there to further promote Bayonetta.
 

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Here's my prediction/hopes as of today. Red is DLC.

Unannounced characters include Ninten, Impa, Shadow, Isabelle, Ken, Isaac, Skull Kid, Geno, Decidueye, Bandana Dee, Karate Joe, Mike Jones, and Banjo-Kazooie. DLC includes Octoling, Rex & Pyra, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl (echo), Heihachi, Shantae, and Crash.

I don't think this roster is 100% accurate to what will happen. This is more like if all of the prominent fan hopes/rumors come true in Ultimate's roster. I honestly think that the roster will be smaller than this, and likely not include Mike, Banjo, Octoling, Shantae, Crash, and possibly not Ninten or Impa. But I'm guessing we'll get a surprise character or two to take the places of those I don't think are as likely. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
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10 Newcomers:

Inkling
Ridley
Simon
King K. Rool
Isaac
Skull Kid
Gardevoir
Geno
Bandanna Dee
Banjo Kazooie

I think the base roster will only consist of popular character choices from the ballot, everything else is off the table on this one.


10 Echoes:

Daisy
Richter
Chrom
Dark Samus
Shadow
Black Shadow
Isabelle
Dixie
Impa
Gothitelle

I believe we will receive around this many number of echoes but it wouldnt surprise me if there were more. I think most echoes included will have a purpose for being included mainly being popularity from the ballot or in richter's case of stealing moves from simon or gothitelle representing gen 5.

10 DLC:

Rex and Pyra
Spring Man
Decidueye
Chorus Kids
Paper Mario
Rayman
Heihachi
Sora
Master Chief
Crash

Mostly characters from new/unrepresented franchises and a ton of popular/surprising/good relationship with nintendo 3rd party picks.

Bonus: I could see Waluigi getting in as DLC for his popularity and the surprise factor since he is an assist trophy currently but I think Paper Mario would get the boot if that were the case...
 
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Here is my current prediction for the final base game roster.

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Red = Newcomers
Green = Veteran Echo Fighters
Yellow = Newcomer Echo Fighters

my total for newcomers is

9 full newcomers
7 Echo fighters
for a total of 16 Newcomers.

My reasoning for my choices.

Dixie: The third most prominent Kong, playable in more classic DKC games than the big ape himself. she is a pretty heavily requested character. and Dark Samus and Chrom show that echoes aren't quite as copy and paste as they initially seemed. so she could theoretically work as an echo of Diddy with mostly the same moves, but an altered recovery and a few other minor differences.

Ninten: I don't really know the Mother franchise well enough to say if he would be a better fit as an echo of Ness or Lucas, but I made him a Lucas echo on my roster to help visual diversity since he looks too similar to Ness. including the protagonists of all 3 Mother titles seems like it would be a nice little set to have in the game.

Shadow: Richter has shown that 3rd parties can have echoes, and since Shadow's assist trophy is missing currently, he could pretty easily be made into an echo of Sonic with a few tweaks to make him feel more unique. plus, having Shadow be a fake copy of Sonic would be wonderfully fitting.

Bandana Dee: His popularity continues to grow and he was likely heavily requested during the direct. plus right now he has survived the assist trophy massacres unscathed, and didn't make a cameo in King Dedede's new final smash, despite being present in the source material this final smash was derived from. plus a little personal bias since he's one of my top 3 most wanted newcomers.

Chibi=Robo: He really needs this. he probably fared ok in the ballot. and he has a full series to represent. he definitely has moveset potential and I think he'd be a good quirky pick for the roster

Geno: He got a Mii Fighter costume in Smash4, Sakurai has said before that he wants to add Geno to the roster, and Geno has become quite highly requested among the smash community. and with Square enix already on board thanks to Cloud, I think he has a good shot.

Isaac: Another heavily requested character. he seems like a pretty good fit for smash, and his assist trophy is nowhere to be seen.

Banjo & Kazooie: the big final break the internet reveal for right before the game releases, to generate the most hype possible. the homecoming of Banjo and Kazooie, back to their Nintendo Roots, reunited with Diddy Kong. Sakurai himself wanted to add Banjo back during the days of Melee, but the buyout prevented that. Phil Spencer's tweets indicate that this shouldn't be as much of a problem now, especially with how chummy Microsoft and Nintendo have been lately. if Sakurai was going to talk to Microsoft about Smash, he'd prioritize Banjo over any other character. and with this game being based off of the roster and fulfilling fan's desires, Banjo is a very real possibility

I put no faith into leaks or the theory that we won't be getting any new stages. we're still 4 months out from release why would we have seen all the stages now? why would he kill off speculation for so many potential newcomers this far from release?

I am sure we will get DLC post release though.
and my current top picks for DLC candidates are
Captain Toad (if he doesn't get the Alfonzo treatment in the base game)
Springman
Ribbongirl (as a Springman echo)
Octoling (Inkling Echo)
Rex & Pyra
a new pokemon rep
 

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A common theory is that this roster will have, in regards to echo+non echo fighters, a multiple of 12 characters. If we have 84 total, plus a random slot, we then need to find a way to fit 85 slots into a setup. I made a mockup here of how that could be formatted. Just take into account that the bottom two lines should be slid to the right half a square so that they are centered.
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