ant-d
Smash Lord
Those pictures were taken from sakurai's ssb site
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Super Smash Bros. 64 Frame Data & Info
- Thread starter ant-d
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Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
so...if one knew where all chars Green areas are, during all attacks...one would be a lot better at edgegaurding wouldnt one?I'll do it all in time.
ant-d
Smash Lord
Yes, if one didn't have much experience at the game. For example, we do not need to know that Ness' entire body is 'green', for a given amount of time, after he does up+b and connects with his spark.
It could be useful and interesting to know the exact amount of time. But it wouldn't change anybody's edgeguarding skill.
We already know these to be true, we experience the green areas and hitbox locations as 'priority' in real time play.
And I already know about these through using emulator tools:
DK invincibility Up+B Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5TXPBH4MY
The video is annotated.
It could be useful and interesting to know the exact amount of time. But it wouldn't change anybody's edgeguarding skill.
We already know these to be true, we experience the green areas and hitbox locations as 'priority' in real time play.
And I already know about these through using emulator tools:
DK invincibility Up+B Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5TXPBH4MY
The video is annotated.
ant-d
Smash Lord
weight: higher is lighter
Superstar
Smash Champion
Awesomes, now I no has to do its. :D
Though, weight seems backwards. The less the number the more weight?
It seems to be tricky for looking stuff at a glance [what is most, what is second best, etc etc], but for condensing stuff, its awesome.
Though, weight seems backwards. The less the number the more weight?
It seems to be tricky for looking stuff at a glance [what is most, what is second best, etc etc], but for condensing stuff, its awesome.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
The last line confuses me Pikachu and Kirby have the highest weight?
Superstar
Smash Champion
I fastposted you, haha.
If you want, I can give you the % of attacks I have so far [what they are at first, what they weaken to at end of move], unless you already have that. In which case, yay. [Edit: I think you do].
Hell, the only reason I started that was just because I wanted information [and so there'd be more substance in debates, rather than arguing who is heavier]. And because it's fun. Hell, if you want, I could give you all the info I have so far [that you don't have, which I think is few], just to have thread completion, if you find time to assemble what you have. :D
If you want, I can give you the % of attacks I have so far [what they are at first, what they weaken to at end of move], unless you already have that. In which case, yay. [Edit: I think you do].
Hell, the only reason I started that was just because I wanted information [and so there'd be more substance in debates, rather than arguing who is heavier]. And because it's fun. Hell, if you want, I could give you all the info I have so far [that you don't have, which I think is few], just to have thread completion, if you find time to assemble what you have. :D
ant-d
Smash Lord
weight: higher is lighter
The Boss of God
Smash Apprentice
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This is really fascinating. Thanks.
superyoshi888
Smash Lord
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How do we go about comparing this weight system to another, such as the one used for Melee or the one used for Brawl?
ant-d
Smash Lord
Those games use different physics
The Star King
Smash Hero
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Sangoku
Smash Master
I can do stuff too as I'm a noob TASer. I won't complete talbes though, but if you have requests, just ask.
Supreme Dirt
King of the Railway
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Ah kenshen getting stuff done.
Wasn't there a visible hitbox code(s) around? Those would probably be a major help, since you can see exactly what frame the hitboxes come out and go away on.
Wasn't there a visible hitbox code(s) around? Those would probably be a major help, since you can see exactly what frame the hitboxes come out and go away on.
Sangoku
Smash Master
The hitbox mode thing is only viewable in Project64 which doesn't have frame advance mode. So you can indeed see the hitbox, but you won't be able to count the frames.
That's from what I have experienced, and I asked in the past about that without getting an answer. So if I am mistaken (which I wish I am), I'll be more than glad to be corrected.
That's from what I have experienced, and I asked in the past about that without getting an answer. So if I am mistaken (which I wish I am), I'll be more than glad to be corrected.
ant-d
Smash Lord
if someone can post all of the necessary visible hitbox codes i may be able to apply a patch to the rom
if i have time
if i have time
Sangoku
Smash Master
I can give you the codes, but I tried them and they didn't seem to work. However I know there are savestates of hitbox mode, don't know if it's enough for you.
edit: here's the original post
The corresponding .cht file here: http://www.mediafire.com/?giw2zygzrif
If you could apply this to the rom that would be really great as we could then use it in mupen.
edit: here's the original post
The corresponding .cht file here: http://www.mediafire.com/?giw2zygzrif
If you could apply this to the rom that would be really great as we could then use it in mupen.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Sangoku
Smash Master
I'm not sure to understand your post surri. If we can use the hitbox mode in mupen we can use frame advance with them. In other words we can measure exactly the time needed for an attack to come out and even better, attacks' (hitbox) duration.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
We need mupen for this? :o
i seriously dont know.
i seriously dont know.
Sangoku
Smash Master
I don't know. I've never seen this fonction on project 64 and everytime I asked if it was possible to do it on PJ I never got an answer. So I just assumed it wasn't possible.
SilentSlayers
Smash Journeyman
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Yes, Mupen would help a lot with measuring time.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
i have learned you cannot use "frame advance" (at least directly) with project64 so i was wrong..mupens got a use after all 
kenshen
Smash Journeyman
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wow i see so mupen is what you use ive always wonderedmupens got a use after all
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Yeah I was not aware of that either.
malva00
Smash Master
Hitbox savestate for each character (bypasses the need to enter cheats)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GE8I12F8
Cheats that should be on to see the hitbox. You have to start 1-player mode as player 1. If it doesn't work, you might need to try a different pj64k.
800A4B19 0011 (mario btt stage)
800A4B3A 0004 (player 1 appears)
802617A3 0000 (player 1 human control in link btt) <-- this is the weird one XD
800A4BAE 0002,800A4BB0 0003,800A4BB1 0001,800A4BB4 0001,800A4BB5 0000,800A4BB6 0001,800A4BB8 0000 (player 2 doesn't appear)
800A4C22 0004,800A4C24 0001,800A4C25 0002,800A4C28 0002,800A4C29 0000,800A4C2A 0002 (player 3 appears) <--- player 3 is usually the character that turns into hitboxes
800A4C96 0004,800A4C98 0002,800A4C9C 0003,800A4C9D 0000,800A4C9E 0003,800A4C99 0003 (player 4 appears)
Cheats that don't have to be on but you probably want them on
80260C73 0000 (player 1 human conttrol in mario btt)
802617C3 0000 (player 3 human control in mario btt)
player 4 can't move
If you add them all up, you can put them into your cheat file like this and just change the Cheat#
Cheat0="HitBox\Master Code",800A4B3A 0004,802617A3 0000,800A4BAE 0002,800A4BB0 0003,800A4BB1 0001,800A4BB4 0001,800A4BB5 0000,800A4BB6 0001,800A4BB8 0000,800A4C22 0004,800A4C24 0001,800A4C25 0002,800A4C28 0002,800A4C29 0000,800A4C2A 0002,800A4C96 0004,800A4C98 0002,800A4C9C 0003,800A4C9D 0000,800A4C9E 0003,800A4C99 0003,800A4B19 0011,80260C73 0000,802617C3 0000
Cheat1="HitBox\P1 Character Select",800A4B3B 00??
Cheat1_O=$00 - Mario,$01 - Fox,$02 - DK,$03 - Samus,$04 - Luigi,$05 - Link,$06 - Yoshi,$07 - C. Falcon,$08 - Kirby,$09 - Pikachu,$0A - Jigglypuff,$0B - Ness,$0C - Master Hand,$0D - Metal Mario,$0E - Polygon Mario,$0F - Polygon Fox,$10 - Polygon DK,$11 - Polygon Samus,$12 - Polygon Luigi,$13 - Polygon Link,$14 - Polygon Yoshi,$15 - Polygon Samus,$16 - Polygon Kirby,$17 - Polygon Pikachu,$18 - Polygon Jigglypuff,$19 - Polygon Ness,$1A - Giant Donkey Kong
Cheat2="HitBox\P3 Character Select",800A4C23 00??
Cheat2_O=$00 - Mario,$01 - Fox,$02 - DK,$03 - Samus,$04 - Luigi,$05 - Link,$06 - Yoshi,$07 - C. Falcon,$08 - Kirby,$09 - Pikachu,$0A - Jigglypuff,$0B - Ness,$0C - Master Hand,$0D - Metal Mario,$0E - Polygon Mario,$0F - Polygon Fox,$10 - Polygon DK,$11 - Polygon Samus,$12 - Polygon Luigi,$13 - Polygon Link,$14 - Polygon Yoshi,$15 - Polygon Samus,$16 - Polygon Kirby,$17 - Polygon Pikachu,$18 - Polygon Jigglypuff,$19 - Polygon Ness,$1A - Giant Donkey Kong
Cheat3="HitBox\P4 Character Select",800A4C97 00??
Cheat3_O=$00 - Mario,$01 - Fox,$02 - DK,$03 - Samus,$04 - Luigi,$05 - Link,$06 - Yoshi,$07 - C. Falcon,$08 - Kirby,$09 - Pikachu,$0A - Jigglypuff,$0B - Ness,$0C - Master Hand,$0D - Metal Mario,$0E - Polygon Mario,$0F - Polygon Fox,$10 - Polygon DK,$11 - Polygon Samus,$12 - Polygon Luigi,$13 - Polygon Link,$14 - Polygon Yoshi,$15 - Polygon Samus,$16 - Polygon Kirby,$17 - Polygon Pikachu,$18 - Polygon Jigglypuff,$19 - Polygon Ness,$1A - Giant Donkey Kong
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GE8I12F8
Cheats that should be on to see the hitbox. You have to start 1-player mode as player 1. If it doesn't work, you might need to try a different pj64k.
800A4B19 0011 (mario btt stage)
800A4B3A 0004 (player 1 appears)
802617A3 0000 (player 1 human control in link btt) <-- this is the weird one XD
800A4BAE 0002,800A4BB0 0003,800A4BB1 0001,800A4BB4 0001,800A4BB5 0000,800A4BB6 0001,800A4BB8 0000 (player 2 doesn't appear)
800A4C22 0004,800A4C24 0001,800A4C25 0002,800A4C28 0002,800A4C29 0000,800A4C2A 0002 (player 3 appears) <--- player 3 is usually the character that turns into hitboxes
800A4C96 0004,800A4C98 0002,800A4C9C 0003,800A4C9D 0000,800A4C9E 0003,800A4C99 0003 (player 4 appears)
Cheats that don't have to be on but you probably want them on
80260C73 0000 (player 1 human conttrol in mario btt)
802617C3 0000 (player 3 human control in mario btt)
player 4 can't move
If you add them all up, you can put them into your cheat file like this and just change the Cheat#
Cheat0="HitBox\Master Code",800A4B3A 0004,802617A3 0000,800A4BAE 0002,800A4BB0 0003,800A4BB1 0001,800A4BB4 0001,800A4BB5 0000,800A4BB6 0001,800A4BB8 0000,800A4C22 0004,800A4C24 0001,800A4C25 0002,800A4C28 0002,800A4C29 0000,800A4C2A 0002,800A4C96 0004,800A4C98 0002,800A4C9C 0003,800A4C9D 0000,800A4C9E 0003,800A4C99 0003,800A4B19 0011,80260C73 0000,802617C3 0000
Cheat1="HitBox\P1 Character Select",800A4B3B 00??
Cheat1_O=$00 - Mario,$01 - Fox,$02 - DK,$03 - Samus,$04 - Luigi,$05 - Link,$06 - Yoshi,$07 - C. Falcon,$08 - Kirby,$09 - Pikachu,$0A - Jigglypuff,$0B - Ness,$0C - Master Hand,$0D - Metal Mario,$0E - Polygon Mario,$0F - Polygon Fox,$10 - Polygon DK,$11 - Polygon Samus,$12 - Polygon Luigi,$13 - Polygon Link,$14 - Polygon Yoshi,$15 - Polygon Samus,$16 - Polygon Kirby,$17 - Polygon Pikachu,$18 - Polygon Jigglypuff,$19 - Polygon Ness,$1A - Giant Donkey Kong
Cheat2="HitBox\P3 Character Select",800A4C23 00??
Cheat2_O=$00 - Mario,$01 - Fox,$02 - DK,$03 - Samus,$04 - Luigi,$05 - Link,$06 - Yoshi,$07 - C. Falcon,$08 - Kirby,$09 - Pikachu,$0A - Jigglypuff,$0B - Ness,$0C - Master Hand,$0D - Metal Mario,$0E - Polygon Mario,$0F - Polygon Fox,$10 - Polygon DK,$11 - Polygon Samus,$12 - Polygon Luigi,$13 - Polygon Link,$14 - Polygon Yoshi,$15 - Polygon Samus,$16 - Polygon Kirby,$17 - Polygon Pikachu,$18 - Polygon Jigglypuff,$19 - Polygon Ness,$1A - Giant Donkey Kong
Cheat3="HitBox\P4 Character Select",800A4C97 00??
Cheat3_O=$00 - Mario,$01 - Fox,$02 - DK,$03 - Samus,$04 - Luigi,$05 - Link,$06 - Yoshi,$07 - C. Falcon,$08 - Kirby,$09 - Pikachu,$0A - Jigglypuff,$0B - Ness,$0C - Master Hand,$0D - Metal Mario,$0E - Polygon Mario,$0F - Polygon Fox,$10 - Polygon DK,$11 - Polygon Samus,$12 - Polygon Luigi,$13 - Polygon Link,$14 - Polygon Yoshi,$15 - Polygon Samus,$16 - Polygon Kirby,$17 - Polygon Pikachu,$18 - Polygon Jigglypuff,$19 - Polygon Ness,$1A - Giant Donkey Kong
ant-d
Smash Lord
can it be configured to allow player 1 to be made of boxes (and controlled)?
testing in mupen..
testing in mupen..
Sangoku
Smash Master
Oh so you managed to make it work in mupen?
malva00
Smash Master
i don't know.can it be configured to allow player 1 to be made of boxes (and controlled)?
testing in mupen..
i think i've seen 1 player as hitboxes, but it couldn't move. i could be wrong. could have been FOURTH PLAYER
ant-d
Smash Lord
oh. i don't know if it does this in pj64, but it crashes randomly, especially when doing special B attacks.
thanks for the savestates and .cht format.
it will take some time to complete the data
i guess i should add a section on invincibility frames
what's this?
thanks for the savestates and .cht format.
it will take some time to complete the data
i guess i should add a section on invincibility frames
what's this?
malva00
Smash Master
is this some quiz? I'll guess Luigi's taunt. It does crash with some B moveswhat's this?
But believe it or not, one time I was able to suck someone in as hitbox Kirby
i think this is right before kirby finishes taking someone's power, or it could just be the down B XD
ant-d
Smash Lord
New:
Jab: https://spreadsheets1.google.com/sp...QkI0cGJUM28zTWc&single=true&gid=0&output=html
U-Tilt: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...dmNFYXVsbjV2aEE&single=true&gid=0&output=html
F-Tilt: https://spreadsheets0.google.com/sp...a0tQdmt1b1dXdEE&single=true&gid=0&output=html
D-Tilt: https://spreadsheets2.google.com/sp...a29MZlUxbDQwcXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html
Jab: https://spreadsheets1.google.com/sp...QkI0cGJUM28zTWc&single=true&gid=0&output=html
U-Tilt: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...dmNFYXVsbjV2aEE&single=true&gid=0&output=html
F-Tilt: https://spreadsheets0.google.com/sp...a0tQdmt1b1dXdEE&single=true&gid=0&output=html
D-Tilt: https://spreadsheets2.google.com/sp...a29MZlUxbDQwcXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html
Sangoku
Smash Master
Lol at kirby's utilt lag. And I would have expected Yoshi's to be longer, never thought it was the shortest Oo.
And Mario and Luigi's dtilts are sooo different.
Thanks for these.
edit: what attack is the image in the OP?
And Mario and Luigi's dtilts are sooo different.
Thanks for these.
edit: what attack is the image in the OP?
Toomai
Smash Ace
I have a question about this chart you have:
How did you get these values? I've been trying to find the in-game values for things like weight (so I can then eventually find the hitbox code), but the game file doesn't have any 0.84s (the weight you gave for DK) as far as I can tell.
How did you get these values? I've been trying to find the in-game values for things like weight (so I can then eventually find the hitbox code), but the game file doesn't have any 0.84s (the weight you gave for DK) as far as I can tell.