Super Smash Bros. 64 Frame Data & Info

[The Star King]

Is there anyway to access knockback values? I know they accessed the Melee files for knockback values for Project M.

 

[kenshen]

I have a question about this chart you have:

How did you get these values? I've been trying to find the in-game values for things like weight (so I can then eventually find the hitbox code), but the game file doesn't have any 0.84s (the weight you gave for DK) as far as I can tell.

that's not accurate he's trying to redo all the values.

 

[kenshen]

hey guys sorry to bump this thread again but i need the accurate weight values of the 64 chars for a hack i am personally working on plus this thread is the only existing data point for the game :/

 

[clubbadubba]

hey guys sorry to bump this thread again but i need the accurate weight values of the 64 chars for a hack i am personally working on plus this thread is the only existing data point for the game :/

What do you mean by weight exactly? Fall speed data is there, so I assume you mean relative knockback each character receives. I think there's a difference between vertical and horizontal knockback resistance of each character, so maybe its really 2 things you're looking for.

 

[kenshen]

What do you mean by weight exactly? Fall speed data is there, so I assume you mean relative knockback each character receives. I think there's a difference between vertical and horizontal knockback resistance of each character, so maybe its really 2 things you're looking for.

yes yes it is for further detail about weight http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Weight

 

[DMoogle]

hey guys sorry to bump this thread again but i need the accurate weight values of the 64 chars for a hack i am personally working on plus this thread is the only existing data point for the game :/

From the stickied index thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=100456

EDIT: Actually that info might be wrong. It says Samus is heavier than Fox, which doesn't sound right, even given the other factors. Antd's data has been wrong before.

 

[ballin4life]

Samus is heavier than Fox

Fox is the same weight as Mario

try the balance scale in Mushroom Kingdom

 

[asianaussie]

iirc samus is actually heavier than fox, she just has ******** air physics

 

[kenshen]

yeah numbers in this system are backwards higher weight means lighter character??

 

[The Star King]

From the stickied index thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=100456

EDIT: Actually that info might be wrong. It says Samus is heavier than Fox, which doesn't sound right, even given the other factors. Antd's data has been wrong before.

Samus is heavy. Second heaviest in the game IIRC. It just seems like she isn't because she's floaty.

 

[kenshen]

can any one get any accurate numbers because i tried to turn donkey kong's weight into a whole number it gave 65 what?

 

[asianaussie]

you can't use the same scale for brawl as you can for 64, stop expecting to have someone pull simple numbers out of the game

find DK and jiggs' weights in brawl and use a matched scale with the 64 data or something

 

[DMoogle]

Samus is heavy. Second heaviest in the game IIRC. It just seems like she isn't because she's floaty.

But for all practical purposes (except for on the mushroom kingdom scales), where does it matter? She even dies at low % in the tornado.

 

[kenshen]

you can't use the same scale for brawl as you can for 64, stop expecting to have someone pull simple numbers out of the game

find DK and jiggs' weights in brawl and use a matched scale with the 64 data or something

ok well i was just asking would be awesome but oh well :/

 

[The Star King]

But for all practical purposes (except for on the mushroom kingdom scales), where does it matter? She even dies at low % in the tornado.

I think floatiness only harms resistance to vertical KOs. I also think heaviness also means less hitstun on Samus (i.e. Fair -> djc nair with Yoshi is a lot harder on Samus than on Jiggs at 0%).

 

[Battlecow]

But for all practical purposes (except for on the mushroom kingdom scales), where does it matter? She even dies at low % in the tornado.

It depends on the kind of attack you hit her with. Try killing samus with a throw or any other attack that hits horizontally and you'll see what I mean.

She's definitely a lot heavier than fox. It does matter.

We go through this like once every week lol

 

[The Star King]

No, we don't.

You basically said what I said, but OK.

 

[kenshen]

ok so samus is heavy what about dk cause he feels seriously light compared to the other games maybe its just me?

 

[The Star King]

Pretty sure that's just you.

BTW, can't you just set Mario's weight to 100 and scale everything else to that?

 

[kenshen]

Pretty sure that's just you.

BTW, can't you just set Mario's weight to 100 and scale everything else to that?

good idea ... hmm

 

[Battlecow]

No, we don't.

We've gone through it at least four times that I remember. Even smashwiki gets this **** right.

I mean, come on. Everyone should know that even though you can't combo DK with falcon Usmashes, he's still heavier than fox.

 

[The Star King]

^Wut? We were talking about Samus's weight vs Fox's. This guy.

Anyways, take the reciprocal of DK's weight value, since the numbers are backwards, and you get ~1.19... multiply by 100 and you get 119. Compared to the Melee and Brawl numbers it seems OK. I guess DK is actually a little heavier in comparison, assuming antdgar's numbers are proportionally correct. Do this for all the characters and you can get decently accurate numbers, I guess.

 

[kenshen]

ok so about to test mario on the scale of 100

 

[Battlecow]

Oh god, I think I'm getting legit sunburned from the sheer intensity and persistence of the cantankerousness directed at me right now. Hey, man, if you have home problems or something, feel free to tell us about them.

ANYWAYS, I was talking about weight in general when I said the DK stuff. You've gotta be able to distinguish between weight and fall speed. It comes up a lot, and if you think they're the same thing you're going to **** up. Obviously A$ probably knows there's a difference and is getting his labels mixed up, but still...

 

[kenshen]

Oh god, I think I'm getting legit sunburned from the sheer intensity and persistence of the cantankerousness directed at me right now. Hey, man, if you have home problems or something, feel free to tell us about them.

ANYWAYS, I was talking about weight in general when I said the DK stuff. You've gotta be able to distinguish between weight and fall speed. It comes up a lot, and if you think they're the same thing you're going to **** up. Obviously A$ probably knows there's a difference and is getting his labels mixed up, but still...

i KNOW im just trying to set a scale based on the data we have ill adjust later

 

[The Star King]

Oh god, I think I'm getting legit sunburned from the sheer intensity and persistence of the cantankerousness directed at me right now. Hey, man, if you have home problems or something, feel free to tell us about them.

WUT. My response was totally normal.

ANYWAYS, I was talking about weight in general when I said the DK stuff. You've gotta be able to distinguish between weight and fall speed. It comes up a lot, and if you think they're the same thing you're going to **** up. Obviously A$ probably knows there's a difference and is getting his labels mixed up, but still...

Oh, when you said that we go through this once a week I thought you were talking about Samus being heavier than Fox, not weight vs falling speed. My bad.

 

[DMoogle]

ANYWAYS, I was talking about weight in general when I said the DK stuff. You've gotta be able to distinguish between weight and fall speed. It comes up a lot, and if you think they're the same thing you're going to **** up. Obviously A$ probably knows there's a difference and is getting his labels mixed up, but still...

Yeah, I know there's a difference. I think I misinterpreted what "fall speed" means... there should probably be another word for it, since it sort of implies it only relates to the speed at with a character falls, even though it's more than that.

 

[kenshen]

hey guys I'm adjusting the scale so that 1 = 50 could some one change the decimals to whole numbers?

 

[Glöwworm]

Brawl 64 huh? Sounds interesting.

 

[The Star King]

hey guys I'm adjusting the scale so that 1 = 50 could some one change the decimals to whole numbers?

Uh, why 50? Shouldn't 1 = 100?

I think you should just do what I did and take the reciprocal of each number, and multiply by 100.

 

[kenshen]

Uh, why 50? Shouldn't 1 = 100?

I think you should just do what I did and take the reciprocal of each number, and multiply by 100.

i tried 100 it made my wii crash some how 50 doesn't plus im pretty sure that if you turn donkey Kong into a whole number it's 65 or something

 

[The Star King]

You lost me.

How did you get 65?

 

[blaze3927]

sorry, the irrelevant thread got closed and this isnt very social so i guess it has to go here and i dont have a question

http://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/04/kakuto-geemu-ryuoh-super-smash-bros-64-proto/

interesting website

 

[clubbadubba]

sorry, the irrelevant thread got closed and this isnt very social so i guess it has to go here and i dont have a question

http://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/04/kakuto-geemu-ryuoh-super-smash-bros-64-proto/

interesting website

Pretty cool. I would really like to see high level players on kirby beta 1. I bet all the edges everywhere would make for some really cool combos and mindgames.

 

[Sempiternity]

Pretty cool. I would really like to see high level players on kirby beta 1. I bet all the edges everywhere would make for some really cool combos and mindgames.

Didn't Boom play a few matches on the beta stages? Pretty hilarious if I remember correctly.

 

[kenshen]

You lost me.

How did you get 65?

i don't know ...

 

[kenshen]

hey sorry for double posting did some testing psa was messsing the files up scale set back to 100 need help converting those decimals to a usable number

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

I heard sentence structuring is cool.

 

[The Star King]

Christ, I feel like this guy is trolling me.

Donkey Kong: 119
Falcon: 104
Fox: 100
Jigglypuff: 77
Kirby: 84
Link: 104
Luigi: 100
Mario: 100
Ness: 91
Pikachu: 86
Samus: 109
Yoshu: 108

 

[Sempiternity]

Christ, I feel like this guy is trolling me.

Donkey Kong: 119
Falcon: 104
Fox: 100
Jigglypuff: 77
Kirby: 84
Link: 104
Luigi: 100
Mario: 100
Ness: 91
Pikachu: 86
Samus: 109
Yoshu: 108

And if you want them on a smaller scale, divide them all by 2 to get your 1:50 scale.

Donkey Kong: 59.5
Falcon: 52
Fox: 50
Jigglypuff: 38.5
Kirby: 42
Link: 52
Luigi: 50
Mario: 50
Ness: 45.5
Pikachu: 43
Samus: 54.5
Yoshu: 54