Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Diddy Kong]

Ganondorf, please make him a mix of all his incarations: OoT, WW and TP. And draw inspiration from all.

 

[vicgur]

 

[Diddy Kong]

9/11 = hoax.

 

[vicgur]

9/11 = hoax.

That really shouldn't matter, given the context of why I put the video here, in the first place.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, that's true...

 

[FalKoopa]

This may come unexpected, but I, for once, would like if they replaced Sheik for Impa from Zelda Skyward Sword.

I'm like, totally surprised.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I mean I like Impa, but even with her total of one appearance? Sheik holds more value to Zelda as a series.

But to each their own. There's just far bigger things to worry about then ''OMG WHY IS SHEIK STILL HERE" when it comes to Zelda in Smash. Like a Child Link that isn't a pseudo clone, or a Ganondorf who actually makes you think Ganondorf, or a fourth/fifth rep seeing as it's the biggest Nintendo series in the game after Mario.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Fixed

 

[BlindFox]

Would you rather know all characters (Including Newcomers, unlockable characters and "secret" characters) before the release by a trailer, a Nintendo Direct or something like that, or just knowing the vets and discover the newcomers and unlockable characters by playing the game?

In my opinion, that would be awesome. But I can't hold the hype myself.. So.. I need a Nintendo Direct with all characters right away

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'd rather learn of the Third Parties and starters first. I'd gladly love to find out the hidden characters after the game is released. Preferrably on my own. I'd go with multiplayer, just cause.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I mean I like Impa, but even with her total of one appearance? Sheik holds more value to Zelda as a series.

But to each their own. There's just far bigger things to worry about then ''OMG WHY IS SHEIK STILL HERE" when it comes to Zelda in Smash. Like a Child Link that isn't a pseudo clone, or a Ganondorf who actually makes you think Ganondorf, or a fourth/fifth rep seeing as it's the biggest Nintendo series in the game after Mario.

Impa has appeared in way more games than Skyward Sword though. Her overall role to the series is much greater than Sheik's. And even Impa's individual role in Skyward Sword is more important overall than Sheik's.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Impa has appeared in way more games than Skyward Sword though. Her overall role to the series is much greater than Sheik's. And even Impa's individual role in Skyward Sword is more I porting overall than Sheik's.

It's not a number of appearances at stake. I'd argue Impa's biggest role was as one of the Sage's in Ocarina. However more people will forever remember Sheik just because at the time it was the hugest twist and Ocarina is more revered as a game. At the time it was huge that Zelda had taken place in the action by disgusing herself as this man.

Any of Impa's frankly supporting roles does not top that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Skyward Sword's does. It has way better characterisation that any Zelda game yet. And Impa had just about one of the deepest roles in this game. On par with Zelda herself even. Plus, she's been in the series since the beginning, can actually fight and has potential for a non-made up moveset, and can be a 'separate Sheik'. Still think she's the most likely newcomer for the Zelda series.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm not going to get the game anytime soon, so I might as well know all of the characters in advance

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Skyward Sword's does. It has way better characterisation that any Zelda game yet. And Impa had just about one of the deepest roles in this game. On par with Zelda herself even. Plus, she's been in the series since the beginning, can actually fight and has potential for a non-made up moveset, and can be a 'separate Sheik'. Still think she's the most likely newcomer for the Zelda series.

I find her to be the least likely.

Tingle (and he could even get in to rep his own spin off like Yoshi and Wario), Ghirahim, Tetra, Toon Ganon, Demise, hell even potentially Midna all have higher chances than her.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Impa argument?

If SSB4 had a reeeaaally huge 100-150 char roster and could hold 7 to 10 Zelda slots, then yeah, I wouldn't mind Impa as a separate character. (not related to Zelda/Shiek, btw)

She's been a supporting character since the start, with her role varying in importance between games. From really minor (Zelda, Zelda II), to recurring NPC (Oracle games), to noteworthy. (Ocarina of Time, Skyward Sword)

Not sure what moveset they'd give her, or how she could be differentiated from Shiek, but I'd like to see what they could do.

So yeah, I don't think Impa is going to be in SSB4, but I'm not exactly against her, either.

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[Diddy Kong]

I heavily disagree. Toon Zelda isn't likely at all, heck, Toon Link at this point isn't even likely. Midna has had her chance with Brawl, and she didn't make it. She's kind of the new Skull Kid in this regard. Ghirahim might have a shot, but if he'd in, Impa is likely in as well. Demise offers nothing more than inspiration for Ganondorf, as Ganondorf is still the main villain of Zelda. Toon Ganondorf is also quite unlikely if Toon Link doesn't come back (unfortunately) and it's only a design choice for Ganondorf anyway (they won't add in 2 versions of Ganondorf). Tingle has popularity going against him badly. And there's the Villager already with a Baloon Flight-inspired Up B. I have a hard time seeing Tingle make it in, and he also hasn't appeared in person since Brawl (he'll be in WW HD though, but that should do more favor to Toon Link, Toon Zelda / Tetra and Toon Ganondorf).

So yeah, Impa is still,the most likely.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I feel like we aren't going to get any new Zelda or Mario characters this time

Both series are pretty much fine as they are (Toad would be nice though)

 

[O'kaz A1]

What about Metaknight? IMO he's seems a bit too overpowered.

 

[O'kaz A1]

I rather think Mewtwo is gonna make it through, cuz he likely has a big fanbase and he is already a Melee veteran.

 

[Reznor]

I may know little about Zelda stuff but I think Tingle would get in before Impa seeing as Tingle has his own game

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I find her to be the least likely.

Tingle (and he could even get in to rep his own spin off like Yoshi and Wario), Ghirahim, Tetra, Toon Ganon, Demise, hell even potentially Midna all have higher chances than her.

Demise, not so much. Toon Zelda, the planned Toon Sheik(according to the actual data), yeah, have been higher than Impa has at this point. Impa hasn't even been a regular Trophy. That's how little Sakurai cares about her.

She has a really tiny chance where there's far more popular and important characters. Including Tingle, who has his own games. Also, Toon Zelda, Tetra, Sheik, and Toon Sheik are all way more important than Impa will ever be. Because they are all still Zelda, the namesake of the series. Impa's very low on the totem pole of characters Sakurai can grab, and no, her being slightly cooler(yet not that important, compared to OOT, at least)in SS, and very little importance in the Oracle and first two Zelda games... hmm. Gotta battle with Ghirahim, who outweighs her heavily on every angle, as well. Skull Kid, who's a major antagonist in multiple games, and is the current version of Majora's Mask and very key to a plot, then there's still Demise as is. Toon Ganondorf clearly is way more important, as is any Ganondorf. Tetra, well, she's kind of amain character. Midna beats her on every angle, same with Zant, easily. Impa has only two games she's slightly important in, and Sheik is still Zelda, and very important to OOT, as well as one of the main reasons Zelda is even in Smash. Also, let's remember Sheik was important enough to originally have her own Target Test, so clearly she was given high priority. Whether or not she and Zelda were made at the same time in Melee is unknown, but they were both extremely important anyway. Also, Zelda had to borrow Link's spells from OOT while Sheik had her own moveset just from imagination of Sakurai, showing how much he could work with her just by virtue of her existing.

...And yet Impa somehow didn't get a trophy in Brawl. Which is actually kind of sad. Still less important Tingle by a far margin(less appearances, doesn't even have her own game series, only play fairly small roles compared to the main characters, about the only thing she notably got was a possible descendant in TP...) I'm not sure where her giant important to the series is... outside of a supporting role. If we get some far more important characters like Tingle, and some other villains, maybe she could come in. But she's hardly more important than Adult/Child Link or any of Zelda's major forms.(including ones Sakurai makes up, notably. As shown, Giga Bowser was more important as a playable character than her too, same with Toad, so that says a lot for her chances)

 

[Mr.Universe]

What about Metaknight? IMO he's seems a bit too overpowered.

They're not going to cut a character for being OP, especially Metaknight. He's important to the Kirby franchise.

 

[O'kaz A1]

They're not going to cut a character for being OP, especially Metaknight. He's important to the Kirby franchise.

Well, Sakurai and his team can make some OP veterans/newcomers less OP, so there's more balance in the next Smash Bros games IMO.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I feel like we aren't going to get any new Zelda or Mario characters this time

Both series are pretty much fine as they are (Toad would be nice though)

Toad and Impa please.

I doubt Mario and Zelda will not get a newcomer. These series have been the biggest series since Melee. Barring only Pokémon characters in Brawl. Mario at least had 5 full characters in Melee. So I think a newcomer for Mario is quite likely this time around in the form of Toad. Bowser's early reveal also suggests this to me (could be wrong though). And if Zelda where to lose Toon Link, I doubt the series would remain as 'small' as Donkey Kong could potentialy become with Dixie Kong and King K.Rool being extremely likely candidates. Even then, I wouldn't put it aside to add Impa as a separate tweaked Sheik thus buffig up the total ammount of Zelda characters on the Select Screen to 4 again (Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Impa). Especially cause Pokémon will most likely get Mewtwo back, and even if that means no Lucario, that's also still 4 characters on the Select Screen (6 playable in total again).

Anyways, those are just my thoughts.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What about Metaknight? IMO he's seems a bit too overpowered.

Cut? No. Rework? Definitely. I can see him possibly being underpowered or at least somewhat balanced. Kirby dropped badly from 64 to Melee, but not to the point of being unplayable. It probably won't be as bad as 64 Samus to Melee Samus, where she was already fairly low tier and got even worse. And then in Brawl... jeez. Poor woman got hit with the nerf stick really hard.

Mario suffered really badly from Melee to Brawl. He did seem like he might've taken notes from his clone, but the FLUDD's existence didn't help him much. If it dealt damage, even if it didn't help them recover(like Falco's lasers would, so it'd be similar to Fox's Lasers from Melee/Brawl with some knockback power), it'd be fine. That's really the biggest change that could've made him somewhat decent.

 

[O'kaz A1]

Toad and Impa please.

I doubt Mario and Zelda will not get a newcomer. These series have been the biggest series since Melee. Barring only Pokémon characters in Brawl. Mario at least had 5 full characters in Melee. So I think a newcomer for Mario is quite likely this time around in the form of Toad. Bowser's early reveal also suggests this to me (could be wrong though). And if Zelda where to lose Toon Link, I doubt the series would remain as 'small' as Donkey Kong could potentialy become with Dixie Kong and King K.Rool being extremely likely candidates. Even then, I wouldn't put it aside to add Impa as a separate tweaked Sheik thus buffig up the total ammount of Zelda characters on the Select Screen to 4 again (Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Impa). Especially cause Pokémon will most likely get Mewtwo back, and even if that means no Lucario, that's also still 4 characters on the Select Screen (6 playable in total again).

Anyways, those are just my thoughts.

I rather see Mario veterans from Brawl coming back then some Mario newcomer(s), but I'm NOT against (Mario) newcomer(s). Unless some newcomers are suitable in some ways, then I'm okay with it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I rather see Mario veterans from Brawl coming back then some Mario newcomer(s), but I'm not against (Mario) newcomer(s), if they're suitable in some ways.

The only Mario veterans are... the same guys from Melee. Wario is not considered a Mario character whatsoever for the purposes of Smash, but his own series.

The only Mario character that didn't make it to Brawl was solely Dr. Mario, who, while was planned for Brawl, wasn't high priority, respectively. Luigi and Peach won't be dropped, so we're going to see them all anyway. Wario and Yoshi(despite not being Mario characters) are coming back most likely. Donkey Kong and Diddy as well. Whether or not Yoshi or Wario will get new characters is iffy, though. We're missing Toad and Bowser Jr. for key regular Mario characters, though. RPG's are a bit different, same with other non-platformer series. There's of course Geno(third party, not likely), Waluigi, and Paper Mario. I doubt we may get a rep of any of those 3, though.

 

[O'kaz A1]

The only Mario veterans are... the same guys from Melee. Wario is not considered a Mario character whatsoever for the purposes of Smash, but his own series.

The only Mario character that didn't make it to Brawl was solely Dr. Mario, who, while was planned for Brawl, wasn't high priority, respectively. Luigi and Peach won't be dropped, so we're going to see them all anyway. Wario and Yoshi(despite not being Mario characters) are coming back most likely. Donkey Kong and Diddy as well. Whether or not Yoshi or Wario will get new characters is iffy, though. We're missing Toad and Bowser Jr. for key regular Mario characters, though. RPG's are a bit different, same with other non-platformer series. There's of course Geno(third party, not likely), Waluigi, and Paper Mario. I doubt we may get a rep of any of those 3, though.

Yeah, I agree with your predicted playable characters. Especially when it comes to newcomers, Bowser Jr. would make the most suitable playable character in the Mario entry IMO, but Toad? What can make Toad be unique as a playable character?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Impa didn't get a trophy in Brawl cause all Zelda trophies where basically model ports from TP and WW. And in Melee, most of them where from Majora's Mask. Keep in mind that even Diddy never got a trophy in Melee either. Neither did Ivysaur or R.O.B. Heck, did the Villager even get a trophy in Brawl??? Don't think you can base your argument on trophies Hyper.

By the same logic, Phantom Zelda also is more important than Impa in the series? I do however count Sheik and Zelda as two different characters. Why? Because both characters still take up 2 individual character spots, and resources of two characters. Despite both being Zelda in person. Which is sprt of a moot argument anyway, as each Zelda is a different incaration anyway.

Anyways, conclusion: Impa may very well happen in Smash 4. She might also very well not happen.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, I agree with Bowser Jr., but Toad? What can make Toad be unique as a playable character?

Mushrooms. Spores. Various Mario Kart items. He clearly can fight, as shown in the off-shoot Kart Fighter, the Super Mario Bros. Super Show, and Wario's Woods. He doesn't even need to pull out Vegetables, despite sharing a similar trait with Peach in some of his appearances. He commands a Toad Army in Galaxy. His race is playable or notable in various Paper Mario games(which means related stuff from there), there's also the New Super Mario Bros. Wii/Wii U power-ups he can use, like the Propeller for his Up B, items from Mario Party as well. He can even use a Power Star as an attack seeing as how they sometimes hold onto it in Super Mario 64, and since the Yellow Bunnies in there do too, they could do some kind of attack. He also has tons of easy costumes.

I'd say he's pretty easy, not as much as Villager, perhaps, but still pretty easy to make playable.

I'd prefer Jr. with Shadow Mario combo myself, mind you.

Yes, Diddy, Phantom Zelda is way more important than Impa. She's ZELDA, for cripes' sake. Impa will never be more important than the MAIN characters or any of their major forms. That's just plain obvious to quite a few. She also can't beat out Ghirahim or Tingle, who have more mainstay power than Impa, considering Ghirahim is an extremely important villain in SS, and Tingle has his own games. And no, that's a really bad excuse for Impa to not have a Trophy. The fact she didn't, yet again, despite OOT being remade, just shows how much he cares about her. She what, got another mention in a Zelda trophy and some stickers at best? She's a very low character in Smash and it's extremely doubtful she stands a ghost of a chance against Tingle and Ghirahim, as well as Sheik and another Child Link, all way more likely than she'll ever be. If all of those are in, she might be able to take a sixth direct slot(not sharing the same slot, to be clear). But only after them.

 

[Alzi]

If anyone is going to replace toon links spot then it would definitely be a fast quicker character from the zelda series imo. Not saying tingle will or won't get in but it would be cool to see him get in. Would be a hilarious character to play as.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

If Impa gets into Smash 4 I will saw off my own foot and eat it.

 

[vicgur]

Fixed

I love you

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If anyone is going to replace toon links spot then it would definitely be a fast quicker character from the zelda series imo. Not saying tingle will or won't get in but it would be cool to see him get in. Would be a hilarious character to play as.

It'll be Young Link or Classic Link, really. They're both Child Links in design. Or in Classic Link's case, fairly young looking, as much as the first Link from Zelda I, who is Young Link from Melee, according to Smash.(despite having a Majora's Mask-inspired moveset, it's the only game listed on his Trophy. Error, officially how Sakurai views Child Link? Hard to say)

It's severely doubtful we won't have a Child Link as is. He probably will still be a clone, but that could change. At least for his A moves.(Well, Toon Link was fairly different from Link, and only his Up B was ridiculous similar in how it works. Rest had different designs, and I don't just mean appearance-wise for his B moves)

We can expect the usual roster to be Adult Link, Zelda/Sheik, Child Link, Ganondorf(some form of him, could be any of his current 3 appearances, unless he reappears in A Link Between Worlds, which would give a new design for him), and then a possible fifth character in Tingle or Ghirahim, likely. I doubt both of them, though. If a sixth, a less important supporting character could be possible. Since Adult Link still looks fairly similar to his TP self, Midna and Wolf Link may or may not be possible, although they'd be neat to have. Impa, Skull Kid(with or without Majora's Mask in some way), Vaati, they're low priority overall. Definitely Trophy-worthy, respectively, though.

 

[O'kaz A1]

Well, if Tingle was in Brawl, then it would look kinda this...

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Consider how his appearance would look like in the next Smash Bros games, some people would have a facepalm through this though...

 

[vicgur]

I don't get all the "Impa x Sheik" talk.
Okay, Impa is pretty important. She must be one of the Top 5 recurring characters in Zelda.
But the think about Sheik is... She is Zelda. She is ****ing Zelda. She is not just a character from Zelda, she is mother ****ing Zelda. I mean, holy ****ing ****.

I mean, come on!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I don't get all the "Impa x Sheik" talk.
Okay, Impa is pretty important. She must be one of the Top 5 recurring characters in Zelda.
But the think about Sheik is... She is Zelda. She is ****ing Zelda. She is not just a character from Zelda, she is mother ****ing Zelda. I mean, holy ****ing ****.

Well, let's see... we have Tingle, Ganon, Zelda(the top 3 most appearances to date overall, this does not include their alternate forms for the latter two. Toon Zelda does count, however), not counting various enemies... although Skull Kid does have quite a few appearances as is an actual character, then there's the various Gorons/Zoras/Hylians/Dekus(again, more appearances), and... last would be Impa. She may or may not beat out Malon and Talon, though.(not counting their Link's Awakening inspirations, Malin and Talin)

 

[Diddy Kong]

So, despite Sheik never getting a new role in a Zelda game ever again you guys are completely cool with her staying in Smash forever just to keep a gimmick in tact?

 

[O'kaz A1]

Speaking of Tingle, I guess this would be his final smash if he's gonna make it through.

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