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#IfIEverSeeZimmerman is trending on Twitter right now. Everyone wants to kill Zimmerman.

I thought murder was wrong? I don't know. I remembered I stopped using Twitter because it's full of stupid people.

I'm only using it to keep track of college things and attempt to communicate with famous people I think are neat. Like Grant Kirkhope.
 

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Welcome Kyon!

And I never actually kept up on the Zimmerman trial.

What was his crime again?
I have no idea what it's about. I thought it was a joke referring to Mew2king (since his name is Jason Zimmerman). But it seems it's a serious crime, details anyone?
 

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Played Melee for the first time in like 4 years at a party, and it took me a good 10 minutes to get used to it after playing Brawl for a long time. Wow. I can see why people get mad over the speed change.

I was undefeated at the party. YEAAAAH!
I played Melee for the first time in a few years just yesterday. I never did master that game like I did Brawl, and I've yet to unlock everything. (the prime reason being that my Gamecube Memory card died about a year before I started playing Brawl)
 

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I have no idea what it's about. I thought it was a joke referring to Mew2king (since his name is Jason Zimmerman). But it seems it's a serious crime, details anyone?
Here's a copy & paste from Wikipedia. (ignore all the orange link text)

Trayvon Martin was a 17-year-old African American high school student. George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old multi-racial Hispanic American,[Note 1] was the neighborhood watch coordinator for the gated community where Martin was temporarily staying and where the shooting took place.[5][6][7]
Statements given by Zimmerman have indicated that on the night of the shooting Zimmerman was in his vehicle on a personal errand when he noticed Martin walking beyond the gated fence inside the community. Statements then read that Zimmerman then called the Sanford Police Department to report Martin's actions as suspicious, saying "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses",[8][9] although according to a police report, there was "no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter".[10][11][12] While still on the phone with the police dispatcher, Zimmerman exited his vehicle, and after concluding his telephone call with police, was involved in a violent encounter with Martin. The encounter ended with Zimmerman fatally shooting Martin once in the heart at close range.[13][14][15][16][17][18]
When police arrived on the scene, Zimmerman stated that Martin had attacked him and that he had shot Martin in self-defense using a weapon Zimmerman had on him.[5] Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and from two vertical lacerations on the back of his head. EMTs treated Zimmerman at the scene, after which he was taken to the Sanford Police Department. Zimmerman was detained and questioned for approximately five hours.[19][20][21] He was then released without being charged. At the time, police said they found no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.[20][22][23]
The circumstances of Martin's death, including the fact that he was unarmed,[4] and the initial decision not to charge Zimmerman received national and international attention and scrutiny. Allegations of racist motivation for both the shooting and police conduct, along with intense media reporting that was sometimes inaccurate, contributed to public demands for Zimmerman's arrest.[24][25][26][27] Questions were also raised about Florida's stand-your-ground law. On March 22, 2012, a Special Prosecutor, Angela Corey, was appointed to take over the investigation.[28] On April 11, 2012, the Special Prosecutor filed a charge of murder in the second-degree against Zimmerman, who then turned himself in and was placed in custody.[29][30] The prosecution's account of what they allege happened on the night of the shooting is largely contained in the Affidavit of Probable Cause.[31]
 

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Zimmerman was no doubt wrong for following Trayvon when he was told not to,.
The wording was "You don't have to follow him", so it wasn't an actual order at all.

Not that I think he should've or anything like that, but the wording is too important and probably made quite a difference. If it was an actual order, that would most likely have Zimmerman sentenced. The fact that it wasn't, though...

I think he truly was guilty, but we don't have actual proof of his motivations, and until that can be gotten, there's really nothing to pin on him in the end. It's sad, but that's kind of how it works. Innocent until proven guilty.
 

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It's weird to see an opinion like this because, as a black guy myself, I naturally have a lot of black friends on Facebook and it's unbearable. Zimmerman was no doubt wrong for following Trayvon when he was told not to, but I don't pretend to know his intentions when the shot was fired. Based on everything I know about the case I can't say that Zimmerman deserved to be sentenced, but at the same time I would hope that this way of thinking would be applied to people of all races and ages.
Did I come across as that? If so, I'm sorry, but I'm going off of how my understanding of what happened during the trial as I didn't watch the entirety, but only parts of it.
I have no idea what it's about. I thought it was a joke referring to Mew2king (since his name is Jason Zimmerman). But it seems it's a serious crime, details anyone?
At first, I thought you had been living under a rock, but then I saw your location. Check cnn.com or google Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. This incident took place back in February of last year and was finally resolved today.
 

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Here's a copy & paste from Wikipedia. (ignore all the orange link text)
Didn't pay much attention to the trial myself, but after reading that I think they made the right call. Still is a shame that someone had died under what could have probably been resolved through communication, oh well.

EDIT: V My bad. Fixed.
 

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Didn't pay much attention to the trial myself, but after reading that I think they made the right call. Still is a shame that someone had died under what could have probably been revolved through communication, oh well.
Do you mean resolved?

It's a shame these kind of things happen with little evidence, but for now this should be enough unless something else turns up to argue it.

I still refuse to believe Casey Anthony is innocent.
 

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On April 11, 2012, the Special Prosecutor filed a charge of murder in the second-degree against Zimmerman, who then turned himself in and was placed in custody.[29][30] The prosecution's account of what they allege happened on the night of the shooting is largely contained in the Affidavit of Probable Cause.[31]
What is Zimmerman's penalty? Thanks for the info btw.
At first, I thought you had been living under a rock, but then I saw your location. Check cnn.com or google Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. This incident took place back in February of last year and was finally resolved today.
Actually where I'm from is of no relevance. People were talking about a 17 year old called Martin today but I didn't bother asking for the details, until I read it here (which was supposed to be a thread for Smash 4 topics in particular). At which I realized it was something serious and worth asking.
 

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Ok. So how would you guys react if an ATLUS rep happened instead of Snake or Namco rep? (We only have three third parties)

In this what if scenario we have Sonic already.
 

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It sounds like a case of inconclusive evidence because of the only two people who genuinely knew what happened, one of them is dead. We don't know why Martin was there and we don't truly know what caused Zimmerman to act violently. The lack of witnesses is ultimately what decided the outcome of this trial.
 

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What is Zimmerman's penalty? Thanks for the info btw.

Actually where I'm from is of no relevance. People were talking about a 17 year old called Martin today but I didn't bother asking for the details, until I read it here (which was supposed to be a thread for Smash 4 topics in particular). At which I realized it was something serious and worth asking.
Another copy & paste from the same page:

On July 13, a verdict of not guilty was reached, with the jury finding Zimmerman not guilty of both second-degree murder and the lesser included charge of manslaughter.

(copy & paste ends here)

I haven't done as much research on this as much as I have the Aurora Theater Shooting.

There were a few things on the page that showed he had a bit of trouble with the police in the past, having tried to harm an officer so as to defend his friend that was charged with underage drinking, and his wife at one point ordered a restraining order, having apparently recieved violent threats from him.
 

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I agree with the decision to let him off as not guilty on the basis of self-defense.

Because that's what it was. Self defense. I don't believe he was racially profiling the victim considering he's called the cops on several people, of different races, that he thought was suspicious. He was the neighborhood watch, for crying out loud.

The facts about both of their injuries.
  • "Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and from two vertical lacerations on the back of his head."
  • Martin was shot "once in the heart at close range".
Considering the shot to the heart was at close range, Martin wouldn't have had time to injure Zimmerman after being shot. In other words, Zimmerman shot him after being attacked by Martin.
Self defense.

Why did he get out of his car and approach Martin?
I mean he is the neighborhood watch. What kind of useless person would just sit there when someone suspicious walks around the neighborhood?

Meh.

In regards to the "command" to not follow Martin...
The affidavit claimed that “Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher[‘s alleged instruction to not follow] and continued to follow Martin”. This also is known not to be true, because alleged instruction never occurred.
Source
 

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It would probably be a Snake situation for me. I had no idea who Snake was before Brawl and I ended up liking him, but if it takes away Snake I wouldn't take it very fondly.
 

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I agree with the decision to let him off as not guilty on the basis of self-defense.

Because that's what it was. Self defense. I don't believe he was racially profiling the victim considering he's called the cops on several people, of different races, that he thought was suspicious. He was the neighborhood watch, for crying out loud.

The facts about both of their injuries.
  • "Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and from two vertical lacerations on the back of his head."
  • Martin was shot "once in the heart at close range".
Considering the shot to the heart was at close range, Martin wouldn't have had time to injure Zimmerman after being shot. In other words, Zimmerman shot him after being attacked by Martin.

Self defense.

Why did he get out of his car and approach Martin?
I mean he is the neighborhood watch. What kind of useless person would just sit there when someone suspicious walks around the neighborhood?

Meh.

In regards to the "command" to not follow Martin...

Source
Plus, he called the police before killing Martin. No one will call the police if they know that they will commit a murder. That, in my opinion, is the greatest evidence that he's not guilty.
 

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And yet there are so many people that are angry about this outcome.

Why?

Race. People are so caught up on race. It seems the people being the most racist are the people being the most defensive about it. I don't understand why people are complaining about Zimmerman winning because he's white.
  1. Race has nothing to do with it. Get over yourselves, Internet.
  2. He's not fully white. He's the same amount of white as Obama, iirc. Mixed race "selections" are only chosen when convenient to the group of people who think everything's racist and out to get them.
 

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It would probably be a Snake situation for me. I had no idea who Snake was before Brawl and I ended up liking him, but if it takes away Snake I wouldn't take it very fondly.
I'm very pessimistic towards Snake right now sadly. So it honestly wouldn't surprise me if someone from Namco (or another third/first/second party character) were to take Snake's place. (Although i'd prefer for Snake to return and get a forth to go with him. As UNLIKELY as that is)
 

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And yet there are so many people that are angry about this outcome.

Why?

Race. People are so caught up on race. It seems the people being the most racist are the people being the most defensive about it. I don't understand why people are complaining about Zimmerman winning because he's white.
  1. Race has nothing to do with it. Get over yourselves, Internet.
  2. He's not fully white. He's the same amount of white as Obama, iirc. Mixed race "selections" are only chosen when convenient to the group of people who think everything's racist and out to get them.
The Internet will never realize Race has nothing to do with it.

It's sad, but it's true.
 

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  1. He's not fully white. He's the same amount of white as Obama, iirc. Mixed race "selections" are only chosen when convenient to the group of people who think everything's racist and out to get them.
This was something that irritated me about this (among other things). They obviously used the "White" card to make him out to be a bigger bad guy than how people were portraying him to begin with. Had they just said he was Hispanic, nothing would've really happened. Come to think of it, this was the only time I've ever heard the term White Hispanic used outside of a census context.

For the record, I identify as just Hispanic as I'm simply a mestizo mutt. I feel putting White or whatever in the front doesn't accurately portray me.
 

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And yet there are so many people that are angry about this outcome.

Why?

Race. People are so caught up on race. It seems the people being the most racist are the people being the most defensive about it. I don't understand why people are complaining about Zimmerman winning because he's white.
  1. Race has nothing to do with it. Get over yourselves, Internet.
  2. He's not fully white. He's the same amount of white as Obama, iirc. Mixed race "selections" are only chosen when convenient to the group of people who think everything's racist and out to get them.
Zimmerman was Mestizo until he killed Saint Skittles, then he magically became White.
Later, the media insisted that he was a "White Hispanic."

If Zimmerman was the one killed, would be still be seen as White?

EDIT: Somewhat ninja'd.
 

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What? Intelligent talk and intriguing arguments?
This isn't Smashboards!

I'm outta here.

Not really just gonna wait until my old Smashboards comes back.
 

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I am personally satisfied with Zimmerman's verdict. I don't care about race/age/sex of the victim... if the victim attacks me like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, I will really hurt them bad like I did to those three black boys who were Trayvon's age back in June 2006... they shouldn't be stealing my phone and knocking my glasses off... and I am Hispanic (I don't speak Spanish).
 

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I wish racism never even existed. Of course, some people felt they needed to enslave blacks for their own benefit. It all started there, and now it's too late. These kind of issues will probably never be fully resolved.
 

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I am personally satisfied with Zimmerman's verdict. I don't care about race/age/sex of the victim... if the victim attacks me like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, I will really hurt them bad like I did to those three black boys who were Trayvon's age back in June 2006... they shouldn't be stealing my phone and knocking my glasses off... and I am Hispanic (I don't speak Spanish).
How hard were they knocking your glasses off?
Were they attacking you in a pack? If that was the case then I can understand why you'd retaliate like that.

I wish racism never even existed. Of course, some people felt they needed to enslave blacks for their own benefit. It all started there, and now it's too late. These kind of issues will probably never be fully resolved.
Africans enslave themselves in the present day.
 

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Did I come across as that? If so, I'm sorry, but I'm going off of how my understanding of what happened during the trial as I didn't watch the entirety, but only parts of it.
I think you misunderstood. You didn't do anything. What Is was saying is that seeing someone who thinks not guilty was the appropriate verdict was weird for me to see because so many people on my Facebook are all raging about the ruling. I don't have a horse in the race, I just hope the right thing was done.
 

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How hard were they knocking your glasses off?
Were they attacking you in a pack? If that was the case then I can understand why you'd retaliate like that.
I think if they knocked his glasses off at all in a malicious way it would have been simply to provoke a response. A swift blow to the snout would be appropriate.

I think you misunderstood. You didn't do anything. What Is was saying is that seeing someone who thinks not guilty was the appropriate verdict was weird for me to see because so many people on my Facebook are all raging about the ruling. I don't have a horse in the race, I just hope the right thing was done.
What's one thing everyone raging has in common?
 

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How hard were they knocking your glasses off?
Were they attacking you in a pack? If that was the case then I can understand why you'd retaliate like that.


Africans enslave themselves in the present day.
Really? That's something I didn't know.

Nevertheless, it's different. Blacks were abused and enslaved by the Whites once they were discovered, it wasn't until much later that they began to realize enslaving another race like that was that terrible, and even then, there was still a great portion of the country that believed they had this right, which began the Civil War.

I think it's terrible that racial issues continue to this very day.
 

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How hard were they knocking your glasses off?
Were they attacking you in a pack? If that was the case then I can understand why you'd retaliate like that.
June 2006... I was 23... I am deaf... I use ASL... I was texting on my old Sidekick II while walking down a street in front of a local high school in broad daylight (around 1 PM)... I was on my way home from community college. They swiped my phone right out of my hands. I was screaming for them to give it back. I tried to grab my phone from the guy and his two friends defended him and punched me in the face, knocking my glasses down. They ran away from me and I chased after them... I may have poor eyesight but I am not blind and I was seeing red. Fortunately for me, a good Samaritan was driving by and saw the scene and he blocked the path with his van. I jumped on top of the guy who took my phone and I was strangling his neck with my bare hands. One of his friends jumped on my back and I couldn't get him off me... so I leaned forward the guy I was strangling and I started biting his forehead. Dax tasted awful, I am telling you. And then the police came (the good Samaritan called them) and I demanded them return my phone. I got my phone back and the good Samaritan helped me find my glasses. I was really furious that this happened to me, I was literally sick to my stomach that I felt like throwing up and my hands were trembling. This, my friends, is what pure rage feels like. My mom rushed to the scene, crying and asking me if I am okay. I told her that I am fine, I just had scraped knees... and we went home and told my dad about it. He was really proud that I fought back instead of being a victim.
 

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Really? That's something I didn't know.

Nevertheless, it's different. Blacks were abused and enslaved by the Whites once they were discovered, it wasn't until much later that they began to realize enslaving another race like that was that terrible, and even then, there was still a great portion of the country that believed they had this right, which began the Civil War.

I think it's terrible that racial issues continue to this very day.
Slavery is so old that it's found in Genesis of the Bible. even then, the treatment of slaves has varied greatly both by individual and culture throughout history. Racism was never about slavery. Racism is because people are afraid of people who don't look and think like them. Then, to make things worse, you had things like scientific racism which tried to use science to justify the superiority of some race.
 

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Slavery is so old that it's found in Genesis of the Bible. even then, the treatment of slaves has varied greatly both by individual and culture throughout history. Racism was never about slavery. Racism is because people are afraid of people who don't look and think like them. Then, to make things worse, you had things like scientific racism which tried to use science to justify the superiority of some race.
I wasn't necessarily reffering to slavery only, I'm aware that other races have been tormented by others for a number of reasons and in different ways.

I guess I should have mentioned that in my prievous post though.

I still say Racism should have never started for any reason. It would have prevented a number of issues today.
 

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Well, I'm pretty sure that the whole Race of the Future thing will most likely play out in the future, so race-specific issues I think have a natural expiration date once the lines between races have blurred enough.

So, y'know, even if we don't get our shiz together, at least it will eventually become a moot point and we'll move onto hating each other on some other arbitrary criteria.
 
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