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Jedisupersonic

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Maaaaan, how did I forget tomorrow was Saturday. Tsk tsk.. Gonna go back to working on some signatures in photoshop.. Prevent my current stupidity from leaking into this thread.
 
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I'm not saying Mewtwo's unseen form isn't real (heck, I'm certain it is). I read your question asking about the unseen form as asking if it was in the movie, so I gave you the answer.
Oh.
I don't see how you got that out of my post within the context of the discussion. (i.e. what Swampasaur was saying about how Awakened Mewtwo possibly being FS exclusive due to being shown in short spurts so far)

I apologize if my last post seemed at all seemed like an attack.
 

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Nah, it's fine.

This thread just goes so fast sometimes. :p I missed that you were talking to Swampasaur about Smash and not about the movie.
 

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Melee is by far the harder and more advanced game technically, strategically, (feasible) option-wise, and in terms of just depth, and quite frankly Mew2King is at the moment at best the 4th best player in the world (behind at least Armada, Dr. PP, and Mango, and probably even H-Box), and by the end of the year, he could be many spots below that because the competition is catching up to him.
Juan (H-Box) is a great player, don't get me wrong. He's one of the Florida homies. However, I feel like a lot of his success derives from the fact that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE PLAYS THE ****ING PUFF MATCH-UP RIGHT (I groused about this earlier on). I know he's been placing better than M2K in the past couple of years (off and on), but M2K is STILL the better player overall because he has the results to back up his gameplay. Even at his best, Hungrybox has come nowhere NEAR M2K in terms of wins/losses overall. I'd definitely put M2K over Hungrybox.

Plus Mew2King's era of dominance wasn't nearly as impressive, deep, or dominant as Mango or Armada's respective reigns were. That's not to say he isn't great; he's one of the most revolutionary, important, and dominant smash champions ever. But in Melee, he's not at the top, and he seems to be slowly slipping in terms of rank.
I don't have much to say here. I thought M2K's two (three?) year reign was pretty impressive, especially during that period where he consistently placed first at both Melee AND Brawl events.

Also, Melee players in general are more technical, skilled, and strategically better.
*smacks.* John, I love Melee, but can you stop saying **** like this? Lmao. That's not necessarily true. Barlw may not be as deep a game as Melee, but it is possessed of its own nuances and is a technical (I use this term loosely, mind) game in its own right. There are a lot of smart players in the Brawl community. Dr. Mario Guy, or DMG, is a very knowledgeable player that really knows his stuff about the mechanical and mental aspects of Barlw and Smash in general. My waifu Automatic is another really smart player, and Luco is as well. Alphicans, Ryo, san, DeLux...I can go on and list examples ad infinitum, really. I come across them all the time.

I do a lot of reading on each Smash game. lol

If we're gonna start proclaiming the beset smash game series player, let's start with Isai, the most dominant smash champ at any smash game ever (Smash 64, winning with the worst characters in the biggest tournaments routinely), one of the most dominant Melee players for years, and arguably the greatest Melee teams player of all-time. The man is a big reason why teams matter IMO, and his team play quite frankly redefined smash competitively IMO (if you ask me, competitive smash needs more team-based everything).
I'll agree with you about Isai and team play. Him being dominant in Melee? Nah. That distinction will always belong to Ken and the various other players of that era (PC Chris, Korean DJ, M2K, et cetera).

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It certainly is. Woke up one morning to discover I had built this:



Don't even get me started on what drove me to build Plant Man. :facepalm:
Hey, Sheep Man has a really cool stage.

And don't give Plant Man too much flack. He's still better than Spring Man.

EVERYTHING is better than Spring Man.

(But the irony of all this is that Wily didn't build Sheep Man. ¦D)
 

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Juan (H-Box) is a great player, don't get me wrong. He's one of the Florida homies. However, I feel like a lot of his success derives from the fact that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE PLAYS THE ****ING PUFF MATCH-UP RIGHT (I groused about this earlier on). I know he's been placing better than M2K in the past couple of years (off and on), but M2K is STILL the better player overall because he has the results to back up his gameplay. Even at his best, Hungrybox has come nowhere NEAR M2K in terms of wins/losses overall. I'd definitely put M2K over Hungrybox.
H-Box is one of many names I could have written, but there are many players who could go up "above" M2K.
I don't have much to say here. I thought M2K's two (three?) year reign was pretty impressive, especially during that period when he consistently placed first at both Melee AND Brawl events.
But it wasn't anywhere near the dominance we saw from Mango pre-Armada and Armada during the last 2 or so years of just re-crafting the meta-game.
*smacks.* John, I love Melee, but can you stop saying **** like this? Lmao. That's not necessarily true. Barlw may not be as deep a game as Melee, but it is possessed of its own nuances and is a technical (I use this term loosely, mind) game in its own right.
It's a fact Brawl is a less deep game than Melee in basically every aspect. I've had many top ranked BRAWL players tell me that. That's not to say the game isn't technical; it is. It just it's basis is a form of fighting that largely revolves around not fighting.
I'll agree with you about Isai and team play. Him being dominant in Melee? Nah. That distinction will always belong to Ken.
He was a top tier player (not the top tier player) for years (arguably top 5 for quite a while), and he was the best team player player for about half a decade. That combined with going pretty much undefeated for the longest time is amazing. It was an unprecedented streak, the likes of which we'll never see again in smash.
Red/Pokémon Trainer new final smash:
What is this and how do I get it in my life=???
 

Tree Gelbman

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Oh god. Now someone is gonna give birth to an ugly Waluigi Charmander baby.

Avert the women and children's eyes.
 

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H-Box is one of many names I could have written, but there are many players who could go up "above" M2K.
The operative statement is "could go up above." Do you honestly see anyone as being better than M2K right now that isn't PP, Armada, or Mango? Name one that isn't Hungrybox.

But it wasn't anywhere near the dominance we saw from Mango pre-Armada and Armada during the last 2 or so years of just re-crafting the meta-game.
I dunno, kicking pretty much everybody's ass and placing 1st in Melee and Brawl in every other event is pretty damn dominant. I'll concede, though: Pre-Armada Mango, Armada, and Golden Era Ken were more dominant overall.

It's a fact Brawl is a less deep game than Melee in basically every aspect. I've had many top ranked BRAWL players tell me that. That's not to say the game isn't technical; it is. It just it's basis is a form of fighting that largely revolves around not fighting.
Yeah, and I've read the same damn thing mentioned by said top ranked Brawl players, too. Some of them laugh at how busted their game is. It is a shallower game, mechanically-speaking. Still, top Brawl players aren't dumber or less capable because of this; their skillset simply differs.

He was a top tier player (not the top tier player) for years (arguably top 5 for quite a while), and he was the best team player player for about half a decade. That combined with going pretty much undefeated for the longest time is amazing. It was an unprecedented streak, the likes of which we'll never see again in smash.
Fair point. I forgot about the undefeated streak.

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Tree Gelbman

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Can it possibly be any worse than the Tingle/Waluigi hybird?

I THINK NOT. THEREFORE I AM NOT.

I know not what you speak of, because Tingle and Waluigi are the most beautiful of men and their hybrid was a sexy beast that rivaled the likes of the legendary Burt Reynolds.
 

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While Melee is far from perfect, so far out of all the people left, we have the following characters as main characters or prominently used characters by people who are still alive in EVO in Melee:
-Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, and Peach players galore (7 characters).
-Quite a few Ganondorf, Dr. Mario, Samus, Young Link, Ice Climber players, including my pal Chok!!! (5 characters). :)
-A select few Mario, Luigi, Pikachu, Donkey Kong, and Zelda player(s) left. (5 characters).

That is at least 17 of the 26 characters, if not 18 or more characters, being represented in the quarter-finals. That's a pretty good margin. Considering 2 characters are vastly inferior to similar characters (Roy to Marth, Pichu to Pikachu), 17 out of 24 is pretty good of characters left.

That is also not counting players who have played other characters in tournaments recently (ie: Taj, who plays Marth and Mewtwo who made), but only characters that will definitely be pulled out.

Heck, that one super good G&W might still be left, Bowser if Gimpyfish survived somehow, one of the few Link players who possibly snuck in, one of the few Yoshi players who may have survived, and Taj, who as previously mentioned could pull out Mewtwo in the right situation.

Also, today on the streams I literally saw every character... minus Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch, Pichu, Kirby, and Link, and I know for a fact at least one person played Mr. Game & Watch for legit and several people played Link.

So that means literally every character but 3 maximum weren't played (Pichu, Kirby, and Mewtwo, aka the bottom tier).
The OLD bottom tier. Nowadays, Mewtwo is almost Mid Tier I believe?

Anyways, am kind of upset I never see my favorite characters play.

In Melee, I love watching Mewtwo and DK, yet nobody ever uses them. And in Brawl, Diddy is basically THE top tier character nobody seems to play...
 
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