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Banjodorf

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I actually would like to see a new design, mixing elements from his many designs.

Doesn't make much of a difference on the character. After all, Ike is still Ike, regardless of what design they use.
Yeah, it honestly doesn't matter as long as he's got Ragnell. A mix of all three would be neat too, I just wasn't a fan of the Awakening redesign at all. (Whereas for Roy/Ephraim it was ****ing sick)
 

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Okay, romanticist time! :p

The reason we don't like discussing Sheik vs. Impa anymore is because wayyyyyy back when smash 4 had only just been announced, when the forums you all see now were all actually just one thread (and an idea thread before THAT which was before I came into the speculation scene), Diddy used to create page-long arguments about how Impa should replace sheik (absolute no disrespect to Diddy btw, he's cool, this story is just funny as heck to tell!)... and no matter how much reasoning and logic we came up with to dispel the idea (for you see, we were not opposed to the idea of Impa coming in so much as the idea of Impa REPLACING Sheik), Diddy would come up with his own logic and reasoning which usually happened to be on a completely different tangent from ours.

And as such the argument would die down, then start up again, then die down, then start up again.... and so on.

And this is why we must never speak of romanticism Impa and Sheik in the same sentence again. :3 :p
I am sorry I brought it up. My main point was that I wanted a Skyward Sword redesign for Zelda. :awesome:
 

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Hoots explain to me how Sheik is deserving please? Her only role in Ocarina of Time only has her teach you songs...
If Sheik just being Zelda didn't utterly obliterate your argument (it does), OoT3D would. And if that game being released didn't obliterate your argument, Gerudo Valley as a Stage in Smash 4 would. If even then you still clung to your irrationality, all one needs to to is say that this is Smash Bros, and your argument is obliterated. Jigglypuff isn't relevant. Ness isn't relevant. Captain Falcon isn't relevant. However, they're all mandatory because they've become Smash mainstays. Sheik is no exception. You can't let your unfathomable worship of Impa blind you to the facts.

Also, Sheik is Zelda.
 

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I wonder what the picture of the day will bring us tomorrow probably nothing too interesting but you never know.
 

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Yeah I know, but I like to joke about it. Also, Japanese version. Can't trust translations. She legitimately looks like a man though. Moreso in Melee and Ocarina of Time than in Brawl though.

Sheik being Zelda matters not to me. Each Zelda is a different one, and I'd like Goddess incaration SS Zelda to be the main Zelda. Sheik doesn't really fit on her for me, but if they go for a mix of characters, like Link, it would fit better. Still, Sheik is Ocarina of Time specific. A one-off with a small role, responsible of bad balancing between Zelda and her, and still counts as a full character spot on the roster.

Impa is an all around more important character than Sheik. And it's far more likely we're gonna see Impa in future Zelda series. Seeing as Bowser already got fixed, I'm hoping for more character revamps for characters who've never been good. Namely: Yoshi, Ness, Luigi, and Zelda. All have been low and bottom tier in all their Smash appearances. I think this is a good time to buff those all up, and revamp some moves.

Am personally thinking Impa is a good way to give the Zelda series a 'lazy' newcomer. A way to buff the Zelda character roster, while mostly revamping the veterans: Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. Impa could inherrit most of Sheik's playstyle, and some moves, and probably get different specials. Tilts and aerial game have most of Sheik's moves, and I'd think Impa took good use to those moves cause of her longer legs. Which is a slight range buff for Brawl's Sheik, who also wasn't that amazing (yet leagues better than Zelda).

I easily could see it happen, but people here don't agree with cutting Sheik. While I'm mostly in favor of cutting nobody, except well, Sonic, which won't happen, I think it's only logical cuts will happen. We had them for Brawl, we might always have them in each installment. I mean, c'mon the dude Sakurai is working on TWO games at a time. Cuts will happen, and he said it before.

I'm only looking at the least deserving character fitting the 'Nintendo All Star' rank. And Sheik easily is the least deserving in my book. Ice Climbers might be second. And I'd consider cutting both of them for balance reasons.

Impa is a good replacement for Sheik's moveset, and a legit Zelda newcomer. As I don't like to see playstyles gone, and like the most newcomers possible, I full heartly support Impa. Her recent role in Skyward Sword made quite the impact on the story of the game, and to me she seems worthy of inclusion now.

I'll still pick Diddy over her any day of the week though. :diddy:
 

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Yeah I know, but I like to joke about it. Also, Japanese version. Can't trust translations. She legitimately looks like a man though. Moreso in Melee and Ocarina of Time than in Brawl though.

Well... I can't say I'm totally behind it, but it's not the first time translations have changed things from different places, are you suggesting it's like Vivian in Paper Mario?
 

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With Link's design not being his Skyward Sword design, I begin to doubt if we will see Zelda's Skyward Sword design too. She may get the same treatment as Link, not to mention SS Zelda is the only Zelda that is not the princess of Hyrule, which is her most known role in the series.

Taking that in consideration, I think that Smash would stick to what Zelda is mostly known for: being the princess of Hyrule.

I'm not saying that Zelda having her SS design is impossible, but given the context of Smash, I think it would make more sense if Zelda was characterized as her most common role. Once again, I stress that SS Zelda is not impossible, but her chances are low.
 

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I don't really see Goddess Zelda as really fitting for her role in Smash. Also, given Link's design is an in-between, I expect nothing less for Zelda and Dorf. (Add Demise elements) In that instance, I expect Sheik to have a new look as well.
 

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Yeah I know, but I like to joke about it. Also, Japanese version. Can't trust translations. She legitimately looks like a man though. Moreso in Melee and Ocarina of Time than in Brawl though.

Sheik being Zelda matters not to me. Each Zelda is a different one, and I'd like Goddess incaration SS Zelda to be the main Zelda. Sheik doesn't really fit on her for me, but if they go for a mix of characters, like Link, it would fit better. Still, Sheik is Ocarina of Time specific. A one-off with a small role, responsible of bad balancing between Zelda and her, and still counts as a full character spot on the roster.

Impa is an all around more important character than Sheik. And it's far more likely we're gonna see Impa in future Zelda series. Seeing as Bowser already got fixed, I'm hoping for more character revamps for characters who've never been good. Namely: Yoshi, Ness, Luigi, and Zelda. All have been low and bottom tier in all their Smash appearances. I think this is a good time to buff those all up, and revamp some moves.

Am personally thinking Impa is a good way to give the Zelda series a 'lazy' newcomer. A way to buff the Zelda character roster, while mostly revamping the veterans: Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. Impa could inherrit most of Sheik's playstyle, and some moves, and probably get different specials. Tilts and aerial game have most of Sheik's moves, and I'd think Impa took good use to those moves cause of her longer legs. Which is a slight range buff for Brawl's Sheik, who also wasn't that amazing (yet leagues better than Zelda).

I easily could see it happen, but people here don't agree with cutting Sheik. While I'm mostly in favor of cutting nobody, except well, Sonic, which won't happen, I think it's only logical cuts will happen. We had them for Brawl, we might always have them in each installment. I mean, c'mon the dude Sakurai is working on TWO games at a time. Cuts will happen, and he said it before.

I'm only looking at the least deserving character fitting the 'Nintendo All Star' rank. And Sheik easily is the least deserving in my book. Ice Climbers might be second. And I'd consider cutting both of them for balance reasons.

Impa is a good replacement for Sheik's moveset, and a legit Zelda newcomer. As I don't like to see playstyles gone, and like the most newcomers possible, I full heartly support Impa. Her recent role in Skyward Sword made quite the impact on the story of the game, and to me she seems worthy of inclusion now.

I'll still pick Diddy over her any day of the week though. :diddy:
Yo diddy buddy, go back and read my comment, I think you'll like it. =D

I love how we all have our different opinions as vets but we're all still friends anyway. :3

Stay awesome bro. <3
 

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SWORD ARM.

Imo, the arms and head are disproportionately sized on this.

I wonder what the picture of the day will bring us tomorrow probably nothing too interesting but you never know.
I hope it's that stage in the cave with the spinning wheel platform. (Some people are saying it's from Donkey Kong Country Returns.)
 

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Sheik being Zelda matters not to me. Each Zelda is a different one, and I'd like Goddess incaration SS Zelda to be the main Zelda. Sheik doesn't really fit on her for me
While I'm obviously not as adverse towards the idea of Impa being in Smash as others are, I just have to tell you: you could almost smell the bias emanating from your post, it really doesn't help your case here

Like I said before, while there may be multiple incarnations of Zelda within the series, there's only one of them applicable to Smash, and that's the one where Sheik comes in

I mean, there really isn't anyway you can argue this. I mean, you could try to build up Impa's case as much as you want, but none of it is really going to be enough to justify replacing or cutting Sheik because of it
 

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Impa will also have a mach tornado and be modeled after Zoe Saldana


Any objections?
No objections AT ALL! :love: Zoe Saldana is sooo damn hot! Would wife.

Only objections is no Diddy though. He is all I really expect from this game. All others are a nice bonus.
 

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I don't really see Goddess Zelda as really fitting for her role in Smash. Also, given Link's design is an in-between, I expect nothing less for Zelda and Dorf. (Add Demise elements) In that instance, I expect Sheik to have a new look as well.
Yeah... I wouldn't be surprised if they made Sheik look exactly like Impa... to keep relevant and what not. :troll:

I mean I get that you guys like Sheik. I just think that Impa is more practical.
 

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The relevance argument was bull**** pre-Brawl, was bull**** pre-SSB4 trailer and guess what!

It's still bull****.
 

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Well alright then...


Well the proportions and prospective is off, hence the "sword arm" comment. Though having an sword for an arm would actually be kind of badass, albeit impractical.

THAT SONIC IS THE GREATEST THING. I just sat there laughing for a while. :laugh:
 

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It pretty much describes the horrendous character animations in Sonic Adventure.

Was there anyone in that game who didn't have bad animations? Minus Gamma, because he had no face, really. :chuckle:
 

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The relevance argument was bull**** pre-Brawl, was bull**** pre-SSB4 trailer and guess what!

It's still bull****.
I am not trying to argue anything. I am just pointing out that Nintendo will want to promote their games through SSB. You can give me the 3DS stage argument all you want. I will just rebut with the Skyloft stage argument. You can tell me Zelda is a hybrid all you want. I will just tell you that her physical design in Melee is clearly OoT and her physical design in Brawl is clearly TP. Sheik is Zelda in ONE game. An outdated one at that. Impa has a similar build. She is in the most current game. Forgive me for assuming that Sakurai is going to keep the designs current. Sheik is still a possibility. It is also a possibility that Impa will replace her. There isn't one option that is more likely. Both odds are equal. I can argue that Sakurai will REFINE the roster. You can argue that Sakurai will KEEP the roster. It is all the same. You can throw in stuff Sakurai did in the past like mashing characters together to fit the game instead of redesigning that characters. I can throw in things Sakurai is doing currently like cutting characters and pulling unexpected stunts like Wii Fit Trainer.

The only way to know for sure is to wait and see. I think Sakurai will be faithful to Skyward Sword and recreate Zelda or at least her design. You think he will be faithful to the SSB series. Both are logical assumptions. To call one assumption more accurate is fallacious. That is all I am saying. I want Impa in slightly more for a more accurate, faithful, and current roster. You want more of the same. There is not much of a difference.

When I say "you" I mean anyone who is arguing that Impa is not viable. I just quoted you because it was convenient. I am not necessarily directing this at you.
 

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Yo diddy buddy, go back and read my comment, I think you'll like it. =D

I love how we all have our different opinions as vets but we're all still friends anyway. :3

Stay awesome bro. <3
Seen your post and it made me laugh :laugh: Congrats with your 9th placement btw.

I've just shared my thoughts again cause someone asked for it. Am still able to see it happening. Impa could after all be inspired on both Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword. So could Zelda. Cause after all, all Zelda's spells come from Ocarina of Time. Having Impa and not Sheik would balance it out better in my opinion. Zelda's full moveset has always been OoT specific, and I thought it's time for a change.

Impa could have a mixed design from OoT and SS. She could have the armor and a little more bulky appearance from OoT with robes from SS, her lenght and hairstyle to. And most of her facial features. She could have an alternate costume based on Fat Impa to if they'd like.

Am thinking they gonna mix up a lot of the Zelda designs for Zelda and Ganondorf. And seeing as they could mix OoT Impa and SS Impa likewise, I'd wanna see that happen. Deku Nuts, Barriers, magic attacks, invisibility (coming from her being Sage of Shadow) and that'd be a very interessting character to most.
 

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I am not trying to argue anything. I am just pointing out that Nintendo will want to promote their games through SSB. You can give me the 3DS stage argument all you want. I will just rebut with the Skyloft stage argument. You can tell me Zelda is a hybrid all you want. I will just tell you that her physical design in Melee is clearly OoT and her physical design in Brawl is clearly TP. Sheik is Zelda in ONE game. An outdated one at that. Impa has a similar build. She is in the most current game. Forgive me for assuming that Sakurai is going to keep the designs current. Sheik is still a possibility. It is also a possibility that Impa will replace her. There isn't one option that is more likely. Both odds are equal. I can argue that Sakurai will REFINE the roster. You can argue that Sakurai will KEEP the roster. It is all the same. You can throw in stuff Sakurai did in the past like mashing characters together to fit the game instead of redesigning that characters. I can throw in things Sakurai is doing currently like cutting characters and pulling unexpected stunts like Wii Fit Trainer.

The only way to know for sure is to wait and see. I think Sakurai will be faithful to Skyward Sword and recreate Zelda or at least her design. You think he will be faithful to the SSB series. Both are logical assumptions. To call one assumption more accurate is fallacious. That is all I am saying. I want Impa in slightly more for a more accurate, faithful, and current roster. You want more of the same. There is not much of a difference.

When I say "you" I mean anyone who is arguing that Impa is not viable. I just quoted you because it was convenient. I am not necessarily directing this at you.
Told y'all didn't I? He who has serious ear for it, hears what I was saying all along. Everybody is so certain they'll keep Sheik, but who's to say? Last time, I saw newcomers as Wolf, Toon Link and Sonic take priority over Mewtwo and Roy.

Newcomers are prefered over veterans. Which is logical, cause newcomers add a lot of appeal and hype up fans for those characters. Reason why Lucario and Ike where probably added earlier than Mewtwo and Roy.

Now marry me. Can't let my soulmate go now. :smirk:

I hope your willing to do a sex change, am not into dudes.
 
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