Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well If Nintendo didn't create Waluigi, they definitely are to blame in his approval to get into the game, since they were the ones publishing the game.

Do you mean first appearing? Because I'm sure they had zero issues with it. Mario Kart 7's lack of Waluigi actually had some fan backlash, since while he wasn't the biggest character ever, taking him out of a game series or "spin-offs"(a term I use lightly since there's no Mario canon to speak of) where he only appears doesn't go over to well. Him being brought back for the next game, which was confirmed I believe at e3, was very popular news.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Do you mean first appearing? Because I'm sure they had zero issues with it. Mario Kart 7's lack of Waluigi actually had some fan backlash, since while he wasn't the biggest character ever, taking him out of a game series or "spin-offs"(a term I use lightly since there's no Mario canon to speak of) where he only appears doesn't go over to well. Him being brought back for the next game, which was confirmed I believe at e3, was very popular news.

I've never heard or seen any of this backlash, but I'll take your word for it. Then again they did cut a LOT of characters from the 3DS version (Limitation I'm assuming), so people were bound to be upset.

 

[Luco]

Well, everyone would like or dislike her for different reasons. Personally, I'm a bit irritated that out of all the female characters they could have added and/or revealed first, they chose one a character that appeared in one game, wasn't the star of the game, has almost no detail, and one that would (and officially now is) extremely vunerable to perv fanart. Also, I've fought a number of Peach players online in Basic Brawl, and I'm annoyed by how they spam Peach's dair while levitating. I can't even imagine how annoyed I'm going to be if I lose to a Wii Fit Trainer... regardless, her inclusion does not concern me over what characters will get in or not.

Heh, you know Peach floating and Dair-ing was and kinda still is part of the meta game if i'm not mistaken right?

 

[Fatmanonice]

The fact that people rather play as Waluigi over Banjo makes me depressed.
Well at least King K. Rool is 2nd. (Not that it makes me any less depressed that people rather play as Waluigi over Banjo)

Well, it has been 13 years since the bird and bear pair has been in anything remotely good...I don't really blame Nintendo for selling RARE though because after Banjo Tooie a lot of the key people for the company started to leave and, despite Conker's Bad Fur Day being a cult classic, there was an obvious drop in quality than in previous games and at that point the writing was on the wall.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I've never heard or seen any of this backlash, but I'll take your word for it. Then again they did cut a LOT of characters from the 3DS version (Limitation I'm assuming), so people were bound to be upset.

He was the most missed, from what I remember. Nobody missed the Babies much. And even then, Baby Daisy was more or less "Thank goodness she's gone". Couldn't they have gone with Baby Yoshi instead? I get the whole clone thing they did, but jeez...

Some backlash came from adding characters like Honey Queen into. Wiggler and Metal Mario went over better, though, from what I remember.

Yeah, that's a pointless character worth complaining about. Waluigi has brought something to the table, personality, a DDR game, making Wario more complete outside of the WarioWare games... Baby Daisy? Nothing at all. Her voice does not help. -_-

 

[mimgrim]

Well, everyone would like or dislike her for different reasons. Personally, I'm a bit irritated that out of all the female characters they could have added and/or revealed first, they chose one a character that appeared in one game, wasn't the star of the game, has almost no detail, and one that would (and officially now is) extremely vunerable to perv fanart. Also, I've fought a number of Peach players online in Basic Brawl, and I'm annoyed by how they spam Peach's dair while levitating. I can't even imagine how annoyed I'm going to be if I lose to a Wii Fit Trainer... regardless, her inclusion does not concern me over what characters will get in or not.

I don't think their could really be said to be a star of Wii Fit trainer really, correct me if I'm wrong in this as I never played it, and to represent the game that saved the Wii and making it a big part of Nintendo's history Wii Fit Trainer seems like the best. Honestly I think her being revealed first actually makes sense considering how unexpected she was. Almost any female character from anything are extremely vunerable to perv fanart and even moreso if they get put into popular (Like with the case with Wii Fit Trainer, but still any female character has the chance of being extremly vunerable to perv fanart), so the reasoning doesn't exactly make sense to me. Why would you be annoyed to lose to her? Espically if the characters don't spam the same move over and over again. o.o

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well, everyone would like or dislike her for different reasons. Personally, I'm a bit irritated that out of all the female characters they could have added and/or revealed first, they chose one a character that appeared in one game, wasn't the star of the game, has almost no detail, and one that would (and officially now is) extremely vunerable to perv fanart.

...

Now suddenly things are making sense. In order to attract lonely fedora wearing losers to Super Smash Bros., they needed to include an attractive women to fulfill the sick fantasies and fetishes the guys have. That would also explain why Zero Suit Samus was one of the first newcomers revealed for Brawl.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Well, it has been 13 years since the bird and bear pair has been in anything remotely good...I don't really blame Nintendo for selling RARE though because after Banjo Tooie a lot of the key people for the company started to leave and, despite Conker's Bad Fur Day being a cult classic, there was an obvious drop in quality than in previous games and at that point the writing was on the wall.

I suppose the last good game I can remember Banjo-Kazooie in was in Sega All-stars Racing.
Hahaha..... Oh, how the mighty have fallen...

He was the most missed, from what I remember. Nobody missed the Babies much. And even then, Baby Daisy was more or less "Thank goodness she's gone". Couldn't they have gone with Baby Yoshi instead? I get the whole clone thing they did, but jeez...

Some backlash came from adding characters like Honey Queen into. Wiggler and Metal Mario went over better, though, from what I remember.

Yeah, that's a pointless character worth complaining about. Waluigi has brought something to the table, personality, a DDR game, making Wario more complete outside of the WarioWare games... Baby Daisy? Nothing at all. Her voice does not help. -_-

Wiggler was pretty cool, Honey Bee was a curve ball that I'm indifferent to. Metal Mario seems like that easy character to put in the game that was light on the team's development and resources.
I'm indifferent to all of the babies, and I think it's only a matter of time until Baby Wario, Baby Waluigi, WaPeach and WaDaisy make their debut.

Yeah, Waluigi does have loads more personality than the majority of the Mushroom Kingdom. Won't argue that, I guess that's why he sticks out so much. But I don't see people clamoring for a Waluigi standalone game (as good of an opportunity to flesh out that character as it sounds), the way i seem people getting excited and helplessly hoping for a Banjo game.

 

[IsmaR]

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Now suddenly things are making sense. In order to attract lonely fedora wearing losers to Super Smash Bros., they needed to include an attractive women to fulfill the sick fantasies and fetishes the guys have. That would also explain why Zero Suit Samus was one of the first newcomers revealed for Brawl.

Hey hey, us over the top female power advocates need something to keep us entertained. They make good cosplay fodder.

Spoiler

I won't deny any of your other reasoning being true, however. Being easy on the eyes should be at the top of the list for newcomer qualities.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wiggler was pretty cool, Honey Bee was a curve ball that i'm indifferent to. Metal Mario seemed like that easy character to put in that was light on the team's development and resources.
In different to all of the babies, and i think it's only a matter of time until Baby Wario, Baby Waluigi, WaPeach and WaDaisy make their debut.)
Yeah, Waluigi does have loads more personality than the majority of the Mushroom Kingdom. Won't argue that, I guess that's why he sticks out so much.

Only Baby I have an issue with Daisy myself. Rest, eh, no problem. They had an appearance in something besides MKWii.

I think it's because Honey Queen was a more minor character than even Waluigi, so the replacement had a bad taste in people's mouths. Her being a one-off, not a boss, and wasn't even as unique as Petey Piranha was. As for Metal Mario, he's been his own character before. Also, due to him being a separate character in Mario Kart, it really makes us wonder if he's not just Mario in Smash at all. To clarify, Miyamoto admitted earlier when he talked about the Mario series lack of canon, that Dr. Mario may not even be Mario, as it's something Mario most likely wouldn't do. Also, keeping this in mind, Giant Donkey Kong in Smash could possibly be Cranky Kong instead. Considering we've had Young Link and Adult Link before, the whole "timeline" thing is irrelevant. Of course, unlike with Metal Mario, Giant DK has no real credit to the theory at this point.

Although in Smash, having a character file makes you your own character, whether or not you're the same person. In Melee, all the Giants and Metals are dropped as unique characters, though. Metal Mario and Metal Luigi are in the story-based mode, so maybe they might be separate characters in Smash? Who knows.(Adventure Mode in Melee, to be clear)

 

[Aduross]

Well, everyone would like or dislike her for different reasons. Personally, I'm a bit irritated that out of all the female characters they could have added and/or revealed first, they chose one a character that appeared in one game, wasn't the star of the game, has almost no detail, and one that would (and officially now is) extremely vunerable to perv fanart. Also, I've fought a number of Peach players online in Basic Brawl, and I'm annoyed by how they spam Peach's dair while levitating. I can't even imagine how annoyed I'm going to be if I lose to a Wii Fit Trainer... regardless, her inclusion does not concern me over what characters will get in or not.

There is not a single female character in existence that will not have pervy art drawn of her the second she's added to Smash, assuming she doesn't already have tons of pervy art anyway. Being attractive, human-shaped, or sometimes even female are practically irrelevant to the ever churning porn-machine that is the Internet.

 

[Demna]

I think once they give a specific character another character's texture, (Example: Lucas had Claus's texture and Peach has Daisy's texture) the added character's texture won't be able to make it as a character of his/her own. In other words, characters like Daisy and Claus will not make it as characters (It's not impossible but extremely difficult since the message behind those textures is the absences of that character to have his/her own moveset)

 

[FlareHabanero]

By the way, people that get surprised by rule 34 have clearly never been been on the internet that long. Normally seeing fictional characters get into sexual acts would be jarring, but after a while it becomes more of a second thought. If people are freaking out about this stuff, then they're just showing their weakness and inexperience.

By the way, no one is safe. Just saying it before anyone asks.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

If Bowser Jr. isn't in Sakurai must have his top too popped. He, or the Koopaling 7 as one character (maybe only a few of them) have a pretty good chance now.

If he's in Diddy can go shove (more) bananas up his ass.

(Full offense to Diddy Kong. 'Cuz you're a banana ***** and we love you for it.)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Seems my comment has gotten a lot of replies.I'm kind of tired tonight, so I guess I wasn't thinking clearly about what I said earlier.

What I mean is, I expected signature characters from Nintendo's franchises and a few third parties, those who were well known, have a lot of personallity, and not just a choice no one would EVER see coming. What I'm trying to say is this joke character disappointed me, I'm not much for joke characters, a femele virtual fitness trainer that has almsot no textures is not what I was expecting, hoping for, and it was just a disappointment to me.

As far as my mention of being annoyed losing to her goes, it's because I'm worried how many trolls I'll see in the games online mode using her. There are some characters I just don't like using to because online trolls love to abuse them, and I personally am very annoyed by Peach's air dancing strategy. I'm always worried how trolls will abuse characters online. The same applies to Villager, we don't know much of his moveset yet, except for his apparnt super edgeguarding.

 

[Bowserlick]

I am still surprised that all-encompassing porn is rule 34. It should be one of the top five rules.

Wii Fit Trainer and the Villager make sense since they represent series that occurred after the Gamecube. Brawl does not have any character from a series not created after the Gamecube.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wii Fit is one of Nintendo's top-selling franchises, along with the other Wii series like Sports.

So of course her being in makes sense. It's a major series too.

Let me rephrase; Wii series as is a signature Nintendo series. More than a lot of obscure games, I.E. Chrystalis.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

Now if Mewtwo does return, what can they do to make him...not so awkward. I loved how he played, but his moves didn't work very well at all even casually.

Y'know. Maybe not make his hitboxes on such slow stuff so small. Then again a huge stun hitbox wouldn't be fun or fair at all. But considering the endlag...

Felt good to use fthrow even though lol di

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Guess I explained things wrong again. I'm now admiting to myself I'm just looking for excuses to support myself. And overexplaining things. I just don't like the adition of this joke character. Everyone was surprised about it, and some were disappointed that they chose her to add a joke character. I personally don't like this one. And I was not reffering to Villager as a character that isn't a signature of well known Nintendo game. I was just reffering to him as one that may potentially spawn trolls in the game's online mode with anyone.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Regardless on how well Wii Fit sold, Wii Fit games are not exactly brimming with content in general. It's an exercise tool designed to get people off their fat asses, with a few minigames thrown in to keep peoples attention. It's nothing exactly fancy, with hardly any established characters or settings to work with. Not to mention that sales have been proven countless times again and again to be a pretty flimsy factor overall.

Plain and simple, Wii Fit Trainer was not chosen because the game Wii Fit sold well or that it was very exciting franchise, she was chosen for the sheer surprise factor. Sakurai himself even said so.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...She's not a Joke Character. Joke characters are terrible in gameplay. We haven't seen that from her. Only Pichu and Jigglypuff were joke characters. Even if Jigglypuff wasn't a Joke at all, that was her style of addition.

She's from a purely casual game, which is probably the reason for her hatred. If that's what you mean, I get ya.

I still think she's a great addition, but eh.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

That's mostly it, yeah.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I don't get how WFT isn't representative of the Nintendo brand. Not necessarily iconic, but rather a part of history, kind of like ROB. She has some significance.

Smooth Criminal

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If she's in Wii Fit U, she might become a mascot for Wii/Wii U fit/exercise games. So long as they decide to make anymore after that. In Smash 4 though, she'll probably have her own icon, but all other content from Wii Fit will likely be considered to be part of Nintendo rather than seperating it into it's own universe.

 

[IsmaR]

The line between joke as in surprise factor and in terms of competitively a joke is very fine. People throw the word around so much that it seems like the word means both.

I posted this in another thread already.

The concept of Smash Bros. in the first place is "WTF characters" that people wouldn't imagine in a fighting game. As such, I don't see any WTF character.

 

[Aduross]

Oh, don't get me wrong. You're more than welcome not to like her as a character. I was just saying, it's a little naive to think that any female character added isn't going to get perved on to the maximum possible extent. Such is the nature of the Internet. I think she's a funny addition and I don't have any issue with her, but I'm not going to make you justify why you don't like her.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well, I think the problem with Wii Fit Trainer has to do with more of the timing then the character itself. I'd say people would be complaining less if she was one of the last characters revealed, instead of being among the first.

Oh well, cannot exactly change the past.

 

[IsmaR]

I thought revealing Mega Man 2nd (in between the 2 most meme-friendly "blank slate" characters, at that) was a terrible decision, personally.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

I don't think you mean that. I'd rather get the characters we AREN'T expecting out of the way first. Or at least the ones no one is hoping are in because they're being introduced as fighters for the first time. Like these two.

 

[Bowserlick]

Wii Fit Trainer will keep people talking. Characters that were expected may not have had such an effect.

 

[Mr.Showtime]

Well, I think the problem with Wii Fit Trainer has to do with more of the timing then the character itself. I'd say people would be complaining less if she was one of the last characters revealed, instead of being among the first.

Oh well, cannot exactly change the past.

Agreed, but I still think people would be complaining regardless of where she was placed. Everyone is still anticipating a character reveal since the game was released. I'm sure if the next reveal would have been WFT, people would get just as pissed.

 

[Bowserlick]

I don't think you mean that. I'd rather get the characters we AREN'T expecting out of the way first. Or at least the ones no one is hoping are in because they're being introduced as fighters for the first time. Like these two.

I tend to agree. Ridley may be the best last secret character. You are rewarded with a space dragon rather than Game and Watch.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Oh, don't get me wrong. You're more than welcome not to like her as a character. I was just saying, it's a little naive to think that any female character added isn't going to get perved on to the maximum possible extent. Such is the nature of the Internet. I think she's a funny addition and I don't have any issue with her, but I'm not going to make you justify why you don't like her.

No, no, I wasn't saying that I was only expecting some characters would spawn perv art, it's just I know some characters that more people would find attractive would therefore spawn more perv art.
Her human body shape, and the exposed parts of her body are what I believe will have more people going perv on her.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well people would of been complaining less if she was one of the last characters revealed, due to the paranoia of her supposedly taking a slot for a more popular request would of been nearly non-existent. Then again the paranoia is pretty silly to begin with, but people will still continue to be the dumbest creatures alive.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Agreed, but I still think people would be complaining regardless of where she was placed. Everyone is still anticipating a character reveal since the game was released. I'm sure if the next reveal would have been WFT, people would get just as pissed.

I think he was reffering to her being like, one of the last characters to be revealed before the game's release. The amount of time between such a reveal and the game's release does not really matter.

 

[Demna]

No, no, I wasn't saying that I was only expecting some characters would spawn perv art, it's just I know some characters that more people would find attractive would therefore spawn more perv art.
Her human body shape, and the exposed parts of her body are what I believe will have more people going perv on her.

The internet will perv on anything with a feminine body part . It's sad, but true.

 

[Luco]

Hey, i've been looking around on miiverse a bit and I keep hearing the rumour that not all chars from brawl will be added. Is it actually true? I'm gonna go check frosty's thread now...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well people would of been complaining less if she was one of the last characters revealed, due to the paranoia of her supposedly taking a slot for a more popular request would of been nearly non-existent. Then again the paranoia is pretty silly to begin with, but people will still continue to be the dumbest creatures alive.

See, the paranoia was not something that bothered me about WFT. I doubt her early reveal/inclusion will have any effect on more wanted and/or expected characters, but unfortunately most of the community will not agree with me.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I've seen Rule 34 of Quest 64. She's got a very fit and good-looking body with the only problem being the face. It's not surprising.

Anyway, I really hope we get at least one more clear female character. I'd say Dixie is probably the highest one we'd likely see.(with or without being someone's partner)

@Luco: Accurately, the might not all come back. They could, they could not. He made it clear he'll trying to get in as many as possible. Just that we shouldn't expect to see every character introduced thus far as a playable character at best.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's the same story as with Brawl.

People hated the really unique R.O.B (and some still do) as this evil character who kept their favorite character out of the game and want nothing more than all things bad to happen to that really unique character.

Same story here with Miss Fit. I think once we get close to launch and more newcomers are revealed, people will start blaming her for why their most wanted and loved character didn't get in.

It's okay though, she can take them. :D

Do her haters even fitness?