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Gargaglione

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Except they're all canon. Except the eduntainment games at best. And obviously Hotel Mario. Again, you're facing a serious lack of research.

Miyamoto made it very specific that all the games happen and that every character is pretty much an actor. Likewise, there's no actual Mario canon specifically.

Also, Super Mario Bros. 2 USA is part of the canon as well. And unlike Banjo & Kazooie, Geno is legitimately possible since Square-Enix isn't on a leash to anyone like Rare is to Microsoft.

Toad is very likely to be playable. Bowser Jr. doesn't have anything pointing towards him as of right now.
Wario Woods is canon? Mario Tennis is canon? Mario Golf is canon? Mariokart is canon? You would compare Mario Golf to Super Mario Galaxy? No, you wouldn't. Those are called "spin-offs". When people refer to "canon" Mario games, they're clearly talking about the first NES Super Mario Bros all the way to Super Mario Galaxy 2. No one considers Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games canon.
And, yea, Geno's "possible", but so is Bow from Paper Mario...
 

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IGNs last article about smash was the one saying namco has no extra priority. My question is, at the end of that article he says stay tuned for more from his interview and that he has much more. Has their been more and I missed it?
 

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I can think of a moveset that's viable for Toad before I can think of one for Bowser Jr that isn't outdated (based on Super Mario Sunshine), but Mario does still have F.L.U.U.D.

I'd much rather see Toad just for being a truly classic Mario rep over little Bowser Jr who appeared out of nowhere and practically/almost replaced the already awesome/better Koopalings.
 

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IGNs last article about smash was the one saying namco has no extra priority. My question is, at the end of that article he says stay tuned for more from his interview and that he has much more. Has their been more and I missed it?
I think that what Sakurai meant by Namco characters getting no priority is that he doesn't want to load SSB4 with a bunch of Namco characters just because Namco is making SSB4... and yet he seems open to the idea of having ONLY ONE Namco character... which is why he asked the guy who would it be... and that guy said Pac-Man - because the guy thought it was so obvious, as it should be... it is Namco's mascot after all!
 

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(Ik, slightly off topic but) I wish they would remake the fountain of dreams stage from melee, but whatever i'll be happy with whatever kirby stage I get. oh and @black mage I have played all FE's, just droppin by to say lyndis for smashU/3ds. yeah idc if justabill said exactly what i said, whatever.
 

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Wario Woods is canon? Mario Tennis is canon? Mario Golf is canon? Mariokart is canon? You would compare Mario Golf to Super Mario Galaxy? No, you wouldn't. Those are called "spin-offs". When people refer to "canon" Mario games, they're clearly talking about the first NES Super Mario Bros all the way to Super Mario Galaxy 2. No one considers Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games canon.
And, yea, Geno's "possible", but so is Bow from Paper Mario...

Geno's more likely than Bow, actually. More moveset potential, and most second parties are looked over as is.

There is no actual Mario canon, and all those games do happen. I would definitely compare Mario Golf to Super Mario Galaxy. I liked Mario Golf more and I don't see why time travel(which sometimes happen) doesn't make sense for having Baby Mario in the series. Also, spin-off? Miyamoto also said that Galaxy 2 was a spin-off. But regardless, they still all happen officially. There's no canon to speak of, only continuity. And while for Sonic games, the Olympic series isn't probably part of continuity/canon, but it is for the Mario series, since it easily falls into Mario's continuity of normal crossovers he does.

In reality, the only ones that aren't "canon" as you love to call it at best are Hotel Mario, and the Dr. Mario stuff.(or at the very least that's not the actual Mario himself, and may be someone else. Read the provided link) I'm going with what Miyamoto said as fact; They all happen in continuity.
 

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The bright color scheme definitely is suitable for Pacman. Pacman, Mario, and Megaman: the three classics. Let's do it.
 

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I think that what Sakurai meant by Namco characters getting no priority is that he doesn't want to load SSB4 with a bunch of Namco characters just because Namco is making SSB4... and yet he seems open to the idea of having ONLY ONE Namco character... which is why he asked the guy who would it be... and that guy said Pac-Man - because the guy thought it was so obvious, as it should be... it is Namco's mascot after all!
i wasnt refering to anything sakurai said. the interviewer said at the end that of the article that he had a lot more information to share with us and to stay tuned
 

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The bright color scheme definitely is suitable for Pacman. Pacman, Mario, and Megaman: the three classics. Let's do it.
OMG... there should be an event match... Pac-Man vs. Mario and Donkey Kong... two classic arcades face off!

EDIT: Maybe Luigi should join the fight... make it three classic arcades. :awesome:

Pac-Man
Donkey Kong
Mario Bros.
 

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Geno's more likely than Bow, actually. More moveset potential, and most second parties are looked over as is.

There is no actual Mario canon, and all those games do happen. I would definitely compare Mario Golf to Super Mario Galaxy. I liked Mario Golf more and I don't see why time travel(which sometimes happen) doesn't make sense for having Baby Mario in the series. Also, spin-off? Miyamoto also said that Galaxy 2 was a spin-off. But regardless, they still all happen officially. There's no canon to speak of, only continuity. And while for Sonic games, the Olympic series isn't probably part of continuity/canon, but it is for the Mario series, since it easily falls into Mario's continuity of normal crossovers he does.

In reality, the only ones that aren't "canon" as you love to call it at best are Hotel Mario, and the Dr. Mario stuff.(or at the very least that's not the actual Mario himself, and may be someone else. Read the provided link) I'm going with what Miyamoto said as fact; They all happen in continuity.
The point of Geno's comparison to Bow was to imply the improbability of Geno actually making it in SSB4. You're delusional if you think Geno's likely to be in SSB4 as anything other than a trophy.

As for the Mario games, it doesn't matter whether they actually happened in the Mario universe, that doesn't make any of those games comparable to the classic Mario side-scrollers and 3D platformers. Also, there's no time-travel or Baby Mario in Super Mario Galaxy, you're probably talking about M&L Partners in Time, which was never even brought up, and even then, that's a foolish comparison; they're two entirely different games in entirely different genres, despite your personal preference.
 

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OMG... there should be an event match... Pac-Man vs. Mario and Donkey Kong... two classic arcades face off!

EDIT: Maybe Luigi should join the fight... make it three classic arcades. :awesome:

Pac-Man
Donkey Kong
Mario Bros.

Name it Arcade Mode. Done deal. PERFECT.
And I believe that's what the Versus/Single-Player in most fighters is (or at least Soul Calibur II), so it's sort of a joke, too. HA.
 

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He updates the Miiverse first and then the site.

However if it we got a new reveal, veteran or otherwise. You'd think it'd be smarter for him to update the site first.

Unless the Miiverse picture was teasing enough that it didn't outright give away the new reveal.
 

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Name it Arcade Mode. Done deal. PERFECT.
And I believe that's what the Versus/Single-Player in most fighters is (or at least Soul Calibur II), so it's sort of a joke, too. HA.
Even better! The match will be a Coin Battle... get it? Quarters!
 

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However if it we got a new reveal, veteran or otherwise. You'd think it'd be smarter for him to update the site first.

Unless the Miiverse picture was teasing enough that it didn't outright give away the new reveal.
Huh. Maybe he'd have a CHALLENGER APPROACHING THING on the Miiverse, showing the silhouette, then the site would have the actual reveal?
 

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I kinda wanna step in for Toad's and Jr.'s likeliness for being added to the roster.

I honestly believe that if Toad gets in, then Jr. gets in. Toad has proven to be fighter who can hold his own given the past franchises he's taking part it. I see him as a strong ally to Mario to counter Jr. being a strong villain. If the adventure mode is anything like SSE, Jr. can take one of two routes, stay by his father's side helping to overcome Mario, or take his own path by causing some kind of mischief as we all knew he loves to do. And if that second path is taken, I see Toad stepping in and maybe partnering with the Villager to put a stop to his chaos. Being how they are all young, Toad being genuinely helpful with Jr. being a spoiled brat, the rivalry between the two would be close to perfect. Even with the first path taken by Jr., Toad will still fit being that he hass been following Mario and Luigi in NSMB, NSMB2 and NSMBU
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, Toad has made more appearances in the past than Jr., but Jr. has played more staring roles than Toad.
To summarize, they both have an equal chance of showing up.
 

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Even better! The match will be a Coin Battle... get it? Quarters!

I like that... And it has to be on whatever new retro stage there is. (Retro as in 75m, Mario Bros., etc., but hopefully better executed.)
 

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@Garganloine: What does it matter what genre they are or the quality of them? They're irrelevant here. All that matters is they all happen in continuity and Toad's a main playable character in around a ton of Mario games. He also can clearly fight.

Nobody cares about canon, certainly not Sakurai. Or you know, Miyamoto, since there's no legitimate Mario canon. Ever. He pretty much confirmed that. And whatever definition of spin-off you're using isn't like he's using. When he calls Galaxy 2 a spin-off, you might as well just ignore the Spin-Off/Main Game argument. They're worthless for the Mario series. There are platformers, yes. Are they canon? No, because that would acting like a canon exists. You have been talking about very incorrect information based upon a headcanon, not what actually happens or what's official. What is official is that Toad is a main character in a ton of Mario games. He's playable in two "canon" games, as you put it.(Super Mario Bros. 2 USA and Super Mario 3D World.) I'm not even counting the generic Toads either. Toad was never a "side" character like Waluigi was. He's always been important.

I may like Waluigi more than Toad, but Toad is an extremely important character to the Mario series, and the last main hero. So he is pretty likely, atleast more than Bowser Jr. is.

In addition, Bow has nothing going for her that makes her more likely than Geno(an actual very popular character) or Paper Mario himself. She's a cool character and all, but isn't a main hero like the two mentioned are. It was a poor comparison at best.
 

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So, fun question. Since the 3DS and Wii U will have exclusive stages representing their platform which exclusive stage do we want to see on both consoles?

3DS: Advance Wars stage
Wii U: Sin and Punishment: Star Successor stage
 

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@Garganloine: What does it matter what genre they are or the quality of them? They're irrelevant here. All that matters is they all happen in continuity and Toad's a main playable character in around a ton of Mario games. He also can clearly fight.

Nobody cares about canon, certainly not Sakurai. Or you know, Miyamoto, since there's no legitimate Mario canon. Ever. He pretty much confirmed that. And whatever definition of spin-off you're using isn't like he's using. When he calls Galaxy 2 a spin-off, you might as well just ignore the Spin-Off/Main Game argument. They're worthless for the Mario series. There are platformers, yes. Are they canon? No, because that would acting like a canon exists. You have been talking about very incorrect information based upon a headcanon, not what actually happens or what's official. What is official is that Toad is a main character in a ton of Mario games. He's playable in two "canon" games, as you put it.(Super Mario Bros. 2 USA and Super Mario 3D World.) I'm not even counting the generic Toads either. Toad was never a "side" character like Waluigi was. He's always been important.

I may like Waluigi more than Toad, but Toad is an extremely important character to the Mario series, and the last main hero. So he is pretty likely, atleast more than Bowser Jr. is.

In addition, Bow has nothing going for her that makes her more likely than Geno(an actual very popular character) or Paper Mario himself. She's a cool character and all, but isn't a main hero like the two mentioned are. It was a poor comparison at best.
Alright, let's disregard the Toad v Bowser Jr discussion for a bit-

I never mentioned quality, you're just throwing words around. I said they're incomparable due to their vast differences, as they're not even in the same genre of videogames. I respect what Miyamoto says, and I believe you, but there's an obvious distinction between Mario's platforming games and all the others, despite Miyamoto's definition of "canon". People know what someone is talking about when they say the "main" Mario games.
Also, Geno isn't popular; he's "popular" to a very particular group of people.
 

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I like that... And it has to be on whatever new retro stage there is. (Retro as in 75m, Mario Bros., etc., but hopefully better executed.)
New retro stage? How about the maze from Pac-Man arcade? It could be similar to Devil World but close-up like in Pac-Man Vs. where the stage slowly moves in four directions, kinda like Rainbow Cruise in Melee... giving us new platforms, walls, and pits... dots are part of the background... moving fruits would serve as healing items (maybe they recover ALL health percentages?)... ghosts move around in all directions, knocking characters around the stage.
 

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So, fun question. Since the 3DS and Wii U will have exclusive stages representing their platform which exclusive stage do we want to see on both consoles?

3DS: Advance Wars stage
Wii U: Sin and Punishment: Star Successor stage
I'd like to see a Golden Sun Stage like Venus Lighthouse on the 3DS and a Xenoblade one on the Wii U [if Shulk makes it] Sword Valley.
 

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So, fun question. Since the 3DS and Wii U will have exclusive stages representing their platform which exclusive stage do we want to see on both consoles?

3DS: Advance Wars stage
Wii U: Sin and Punishment: Star Successor stage

Like mentioned a few minutes ago, Fountain of Dreams. That's something that I think a lot of us could agree on. It was an awesome stage with a simple layout along with it's awesome BGM. Even as a retro stage, it would be great to see it in both Wii U and 3DS versions.
 

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I never mentioned quality, you're just throwing words around. I said they're incomparable due to their vast differences, as they're not even in the same genre of videogames. I respect what Miyamoto says, and I believe you, but there's an obvious distinction between Mario's platforming games and all the others, despite Miyamoto's definition of "canon". People know what someone is talking about when they say the "main" Mario games.
Also, Geno isn't popular; he's "popular" to a very particular group of people.

Except Main is still an incorrect terminology now that every game happens. We call them platformers, since even games like Galaxy 2 aren't main games according to Word of God. It's a useless term to throw around. Just call them by the genre.

And again, the genre doesn't matter because not everybody even likes the Platformers. Or the Parties. And so on. Most of the Non-Platformers are extremely popular too.

And yeah, Geno is popular. To a lot of people besides a particular group. He's surprisingly well known, even more than he used to be, especially thanks to Super Mario RPG coming out on the VC.

And I can certainly compare the quality of any game to another regardless of genre in the Mario series. Since the key point is how well the gameplay is overall. I didn't find any of the Galaxy games to have super outstanding gameplay. Same with the Golf and Tennis games. I'd put them on the same level of good overall.

Either way, Toad is still the last main hero to not be playable in Smash, has tons of moveset capabilities, and would be an excellent addition. I used to make that same argument you did. But then I learned it was based upon speculation and not any hard facts. And the facts state that Toad is a main character in a whole lot of games. Now, this would make sense if we were talking about Waluigi, who's an important villain in one game, and a mediocre villain in another, and often a random guy in the rest. Then again, he does get quite a lot of love by Nintendo and Fans.

Moving onto more interesting conversation;

I want to see Bowser's Castle as is. Two different versions for each one. Something like the battleships for the 3DS version, and perhaps something more like Mario 64/Mario Kart 64 for the Wii U version. Also, some kind of Dr. Mario stage.
 

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Personally, I like Belinsk from Golden Sun: Dark Dawn... fighting on the rooftops of the opera house, overseeing the plaza with the fountain... sometimes the stage gets dark from the eclipse... and then Crystallux breaks out through the roof of the opera house to attack everyone.. and then the roof magically repairs itself as the eclipse ends... and it starts over again.
 

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Nice to see that diversity isn't a big deal.

Have you heard of having both?

It's like everytime there's a Marvel Universe game. I hear people complain ''WHY ARE THERE SO MANY X-MEN." Yet the X-Men are home of some of Marvel's most popular characters so naturally they are added to the rosters of those games a lot. It doesn't ruin the diversity however.

It's not different than that really.
 

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People really want more Mario characters in the game...?

You mean finishing off the Mario Roster of major heroes and villains? We're only talking about Toad and Bowser Jr. Boom, that's the extent of the Mario roster. And even then, Jr. came far later. Toad's been there since the first game. I don't see a reason not to add him. We lost one Mario character in Brawl and gained a related-but-not-Mario character in Wario.
 
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