Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[N3ON]

I've just realised that Sakurai is literally the biggest troll in the world.

- In the Melee trailer(/intro), while new characters are being shown he showed Ridley fighting Samus which everyone assumed meant he was a playable character.

- The Samurai Goroh assist trophy reveal on the Brawl DOJO.
It wasn't made clear unless you read all of the text that he was something called an "assist trophy" which we hadn't heard of yet. Everyone went crazy at first thinking Samurai Goroh was confirmed as a playable character.

- Kid Icarus uprising making you think the game is over and rolling the credits before suddenly being pulled back into the game.

- The SSB4 trailer Animal Crossing introduction.
If you watched it live you saw Miyamato introduce one final unnamed trailer. It then cuts to animal crossing making many people think that there was no SSB trailer at all.

- Making us think the SSB4 trailer was over before the Megaman reveal with the fade away and 2014 screen.

Have I missed any of his other greatest trolls?

Sakurai's been trolling us ever since it turned out Dedede wasn't the antagonist of Kirby's Adventure.

 

[---]

So, I don't know if any of you have noticed, but man, Nintendo did a really amazing job staying true to the original Mega Man.
http://imgur.com/a/ZUWcd

I saw that they kept a lot of animations, but even I didn't notice just how much they did. I'm very impressed. Only complaint I really have is that Mega Man's face looks really weird with that blank expression. I hope they use MM7 as inspiration for his idle stance.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

So, conversation is dying down a wee bit. To get the ball rolling, I've seen how they've changed up Pit and Bowser's movesets a bit. Any other characters you hope/expect to get changes? I'd love for Ganondorf, Falco, Wolf (if he's in), and Lucas to get changes. I also reeaallly wanna see Luigi with his Poltergeist. Oh, and if Sonic is back in, I'd love for them to get more creative with his moveset.

 

[Oasis_S]

Mewtwo and Roy.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Link. Please.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Luigi very well might get vacuum

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I hope Ike gets an ax special...

 

[Metal Mania1321]

I hope Ike gets an ax special...

I hope Ike is still around....

 

[Kantrip]

Luigi very well might get vacuum

This. I'd love to see the Poltergust 3000/5000 worked in somewhere.

 

[Metal Mania1321]

This. I'd love to see the Poltergust 3000/5000 worked in somewhere.

Surely it will. I mean, with Luigi's Mansion 2 and all..

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah, but I mean he didn't get it for Brawl. The GC Luigi's Mansion was already well-established before Brawl's development so I'm not entirely sure that it's a guarantee.

 

[---]

Seeing as Mario still has his FLUDD (check the Mario vs MM gameplay video), I would hope that it as well as the rest of his moveset get needed buffs. Some of his normals/Smashes in Brawl felt like they lost power all around.

Samus I mainly want to see get a tad bit faster and in general have higher killing power. Her Brawl self was pathetic, she lost speed and killing power compared to her Melee self and Z.S. Samus. Basically if Z.S. Samus is supposed to be regular Samus's opposite, they need to show it better and in a more balanced way.

Link really needs to go back to his Melee self IMO. He was just all around faster then. Though I do wonder if it was done to make him differ from Child Link more.

DK, Fox, Kirby, and Pikachu I think don't need any changes.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I've just realised that Sakurai is literally the biggest troll in the world.

- The Samurai Goroh assist trophy reveal on the Brawl DOJO.
It wasn't made clear unless you read all of the text that he was something called an "assist trophy" which we hadn't heard of yet. Everyone went crazy at first thinking Samurai Goroh was confirmed as a playable character.

On top of that, recent posts went from top to bottom, so you'd have to scroll down past Goroh's post to see the post about Assist Trophies.
...I think the old SSBB Dojo site is slowly shutting down...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist02.html

- Kid Icarus uprising making you think the game is over and rolling the credits before suddenly being pulled back into the game.

lol Hades. I'd love it if he met up with Disney's Hades.

- The SSB4 trailer Animal Crossing introduction.
If you watched it live you saw Miyamato introduce one final unnamed trailer. It then cuts to animal crossing making many people think that there was no SSB trailer at all.

At first I thought it was some sort of Nintendo finale collection thing showing all of Nintendo's main franchises. It wasn't until I saw the characters jump into the two 3DS screens that I knew this was what I was waiting for.

I didn't see the SSB symbol slash at the beginning, nor did I notice the symbol on the Villager's letter.

- Making us think the SSB4 trailer was over before the Megaman reveal with the fade away and 2014 screen.

They sorta did that with Brawl's trailer too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yeah, but I mean he didn't get it for Brawl. The GC Luigi's Mansion was already well-established before Brawl's development so I'm not entirely sure that it's a guarantee.

He's shown a more willing attitude with changing characters moves

 

[Oasis_S]

Imagine Luigi sucking someone in close with his Pultergust, and going right to a sweetspotted Up Special.

Anyway, while it is strange Luigi didn't get it for Brawl (maybe his current Special was more useful overall with the rest of his moveset???), I think there's a very good chance for him to get it this time. I mean, Sakurai had been considering it since Melee.

Just for one move though, I wouldn't want the crazy interpretation Sakurai has for Luigi to fade away into a Pultergust-centric moveset.

 

[sonus]

So, conversation is dying down a wee bit. To get the ball rolling, I've seen how they've changed up Pit and Bowser's movesets a bit. Any other characters you hope/expect to get changes? I'd love for Ganondorf, Falco, Wolf (if he's in), and Lucas to get changes. I also reeaallly wanna see Luigi with his Poltergeist. Oh, and if Sonic is back in, I'd love for them to get more creative with his moveset.

I would only change a couple things about wolf

-Better recovery, probably fixed by giving him an actual sweet spot
-Its very rare to use his up B and side B for anything but recovery, which is lame because its 2 abilities used for the same idea.
-his grabs need buffs, only his down grab is any good

 

[Luco]

Why should we? The Gamecube controller is quite literally the perfect way to play Smash. Anything else is a downgrade.

I disagree with this personally. I've spent years playing Brawl competitively on a wii-chuk and i've been doing just fine so far. There are some high level players out there (Razer is a good example) using wii-chuk, so what exactly is wrong with it?

I'm not disputing the GC issue, in fact I reckon you should be allowed to play the game however the heck you want but to say everything else is a downgrade sounds a bit flawed to me. =/

And I can't say I want many changes to Ness/Lucas, so long as the frame disadvantages on GR are gone for both and Ness' recovery is a little better. Maybe a minor improvement to Lucas' pivot grab so its frames are about the same as Yoshi's? Maybe a little more range on a few of his moves, or priority on some of his combo moves? Otherwise I think their general movesets are beautiful as is and I wouldn't change 'em.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

My favorite controller to hold is actually the wiimote + nunchuk.

It makes me feel so free being able to have my hands seperate

I'm not saying it's the BEST for smash, it's just my favorite

 

[Oasis_S]

Did we just get a new screenshot on the frontpage of the DOJO?

ALSO I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT SAMUS'S NEW DESIGN. Always disliked the Other M design, but I dunno, she just seems to stand out in a bad way among the rest of the characters? Her colors are comparatively subdued.

Just me?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Did we just get a new screenshot on the frontpage of the DOJO?

We DID. It's the wii fit trainer with a tiny version of herself

She's got a nice rack, but her face creeps me out

 

[Oasis_S]

That's always the best way to evaluate new characters, isn't it.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I really have to wonder what they were up to during development...

 

[Luco]

My favorite controller to hold is actually the wiimote + nunchuk.

It makes me feel so free being able to have my hands seperate

I'm not saying it's the BEST for smash, it's just my favorite

I like the wiichuk as well haha, one of the reasons why i'm suggesting that it's not as inferior as everyone seems to think?

Did we just get a new screenshot on the frontpage of the DOJO?

ALSO I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT SAMUS'S NEW DESIGN. Always disliked the Other M design, but I dunno, she just seems to stand out in a bad way among the rest of the characters? Her colors are comparatively subdued.

Just me?

I was worried at first but I think I can get used to it. I keep telling myself i'm just afraid of any change at all with her and the more I see her, the more i'm getting used to it. I reckon it'll be okay.

I liked Bowser's new design from the get-go though. I'm tempted to use him as a secondary or tertiary at some point.

We DID. It's the wii fit trainer with a tiny version of herself

She's got a nice rack, but her face creeps me out

LOL Psycho!! XD

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

We DID. It's the wii fit trainer with a tiny version of herself

She's got a nice rack, but her face creeps me out

I think the tiny trainer is actually her reflection on the mirror wall...a rather small reflection.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

i figured that. I just thought it would be funnier to think of it as a smaller version of herself

 

[Oasis_S]

She needs a palette swap that changes her skin black, so she can better represent that shadow that follows each of us around, whispering into your ear "you should really stop eating all those oreos."

Anyway, I feel pretty confident that she'll have some pretty basic colors like pink and lime green, but it's hard to imagine more exciting choices. You photoshoppers should get to work.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm disappointed there wasn't any Yarn Yoshi shown

 

[Luco]

I'm disappointed there wasn't any Yarn Yoshi shown

>=C

Bad yarn yoshi. Get more real yoshi in there yeaaaaaa. :D

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I think I'm slightly warming up to Miss Fit.but I don't know if I'm feeling too hopeful on SSB4 at the moment, I'd feel like throwing another tantrum if Sakurai trolls us again.

Well, it's inevitable for that to happen, right?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think I'm slightly warming up to Miss Fit.but I don't know if I'm feeling too hopeful on SSB4 at the moment, I'd feel like throwing another tantrum if Sakurai trolls us again.

Well, it's inevitable for that to happen, right?

I get it

 

[Luco]

I think I'm slightly warming up to Miss Fit.but I don't know if I'm feeling too hopeful on SSB4 at the moment, I'd feel like throwing another tantrum if Sakurai trolls us again.

Well, it's inevitable for that to happen, right?

I think he's done all his trolling for the day dude~

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Psycho: Oh God

Luco: I meant in the future? Maan, time passes sloow...

 

[Luco]

Psycho: Oh God

Luco: I meant in the future? Maan, time passes sloow...

I was using a phrase - I doubt Sakurai will be doing too much WTH stuff for a while personally. Could be wrong.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

>=C

Bad yarn yoshi. Get more real yoshi in there yeaaaaaa. :D

Yoshi needs reworking from the ground up IMO. Never could get a feel for him in the Smash series.

 

[Luco]

Yoshi needs reworking from the ground up IMO. Never could get a feel for him in the Smash series.

I disagree, personally. I think frame data should be changed but the actual character shouldn't, and I tend to think similar thoughts for many characters who aren't clones - I just love seeing people adapt to that playstyle and reckon let someone else fill another role rather than changing a pre-existing character around for not much reason IMO.

HOWEVER I was proven wrong recently - I actually really seriously love Bowser's new look. Maybe I just love how the character plays generally but don't mind some intricate changes? Hm....

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yoshi works quite well as a character. He just has some puny attacks and a bit of an identity crisis.

 

[psyniac_123]

The SSB4 trailer Animal Crossing introduction.
If you watched it live you saw Miyamato introduce one final unnamed trailer. It then cuts to animal crossing making many people think that there was no SSB trailer at all.

Except the trailer opened with the Smash Bros logo for a second. I guess one could miss this but I had my eyes very much open and concentrating on every tiny detail.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I am really really excited for Bowser in the new game. I played him in Melee and Brawl just because I enjoyed the character in general, but his changes in moves and pace definitely make him look like an actual threat than just some dude I play leisurely.

 

[psyniac_123]

Yeah, but I mean he didn't get it for Brawl. The GC Luigi's Mansion was already well-established before Brawl's development so I'm not entirely sure that it's a guarantee.

I feel even more so now considering this is Year of Luigi so one of moves should surely influence one of the major games of that.

I'm disappointed there wasn't any Yarn Yoshi shown

I could see this happening. I'd love for characters to really evolve this time over to reflect their more recent outings (although apparently not Link).

 

[Arcadenik]

That was Iwata, not Miyamoto

All Asians look alike.