Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Big-Cat]

Of the three characters I see as potential Namco "reps" (Lloyd, Pac-Man, and Kalas), Lloyd would be my personal choice for a rep. Most people just seem to be assuming Pac-Man will be the rep and dismissing any other options, which is ridiculous considering how limited Pac-Man's moveset potential seems next to the others I mentioned.

From what I've seen in Pacman movesets, I don't see anything that doesn't make me think of a mashup of other characters. At least with Snake and Sonic, they play very distinctly, even if their concepts weren't executed very well. Snake was our first real zoner that wasn't laming out with lasers.

 

[Aurane]

@asage94:Forget Breloom please,Tyrogue has a better chance(which is slim) and Toad is destined to be the only fungal contestant.

I refuse.

No, I don't actually think Breloom is getting in. It's something that would be nice*, but more than likely, won't happen.

Clearly, you don't know how to compare Pokemon odds, but hey, Tyrogue is your opinion. So be'ith.

**** Toad, he ain't a Pokemon.

 

[Pyra]

**** Toad, he ain't a Pokemon.

Toad can be a Pokemon if you believe~~!

 

[Aurane]

Toad can be a Pokemon if you believe~~!

 

[Big-Cat]

My reaction when SmashChu posts in a gameplay thread.

 

[Aurane]

My reaction when SmashChu posts in a gameplay thread.

Agree.

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[Wario Bros.]

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=182901

Hahaha, good luck trying to convince Sakurai via twitter (or much of any other way for that matter).

And I don't support Skull Kid either, and I really love Majora's Mask.

 

[VictoryIsMudkipz]

Well, happy to hear Sakurai speak on Smash 4 & I kinda suspected what he would say about 3rd Party characters, but he said:

"However, introducing more non-Nintendo characters willy-nilly will lose the focus of the game, so I also recognise the need to narrow it down."

so I'm guessing we still maybe getting 2 or 3 more....unfortunately my roster has 6, 8 including Snake & Sonic....So Pac-man & Megaman is a must,which leaves Banjo & Kazooie (which isn't likely) or Bomberman (which who knows by now), I can cut Viewtiful Joe & Ryu easy.

Anyway something else I found puzzling that everyone has been talking about so far is the 2013 release date....
Now considering they are already using Brawls engine & have been in developement since March I wouldn't be surprised that since we still have 5 months left in the year, not to mention the 3 months that already passed since KIU released & a whole 12 more months to go, that they couldn't get the game finished especially with the two teams they have with them.
The thing that I need clarification..is that 2013 date, somehing IGN made up or did M.Sakurai give them that information, depending on which source it came from makes a diffference.

"Super Smash Bros. 4 is in development for Wii U and 3DS, with a release expected sometime in 2013."

 

[Pyra]

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=182901

Hahaha, good luck trying to convince Sakurai via twitter (or much of any other way for that matter).

And I don't support Skull Kid either, and I really love Majora's Mask.

Majora's Mask is easily one of my favorite video games of all time.

I prefer Mask Link over Skull Kid though.

Someone make up a bogus poll that Mask Link wins.

 

[Aurane]

"Super Smash Bros. 4 is in development for Wii U and 3DS, with a release expected sometime in 2013."

I still think IGN is just bending the truth just a wee bit.

No IGN! Bad! No bending about SSB4!

#Pun

 

[Pyra]

^Booooooooo.
I'm booing you off the stage.
For using that overused clever pun gif.

Boooo.

Speaking of Boo, it would be a nice addition to the grunts in story mode. I know there's a thread for this but it was a spontaneous thought. And I'm on my phone so, there's a laziness factor involved.

 

[Aurane]

^Booooooooo.
I'm booing you off the stage.
For using that overused clever pun gif.

Boooo.

Speaking of Boo, it would be a nice addition to the grunts in story mode. I know there's a thread for this but it was a spontaneous thought. And I'm on my phone so, there's a laziness factor involved.

Hey, I tried! That's all that matters!

But seriously, I like the idea of a Boo as a grunt. But let's save that for the correct blog =u=

 

[Dat_IS_Falco]

I dont know if anyone ever thought of this but, what if you can get Super Smash Bros Brawl, Melee, and 64 as DLC on Smash4?

 

[FlappyFalco]

I dont know if anyone ever thought of this but, what if you can get Super Smash Bros Brawl, Melee, and 64 as DLC on Smash4?

Since they'll probably bring back the cut characters from Melee(except Young Link and Pichu)there's no point.Maybe Virtual Console but not DLC.

Toad is not a pokemon,there are going to be no more than 4 3rd party reps and no more brony gifs(or any gifs)!!!!!!!

 

[Joshman501]

The new super smash bros is going to be awesome when they make it!

 

[Pyra]

Since they'll probably bring back the cut characters from Melee(except Young Link and Pichu)there's no point.Maybe Virtual Console but not DLC.

Toad is not a pokemon,there are going to be no more than 4 3rd party reps and no more brony gifs(or any gifs)!!!!!!!

DO NOT DENY TOAD THE RIGHT TO BE A POKEMON

Anyway, what makes you think they'll bring back the Doctor?

 

[FlappyFalco]

DO NOT DENY TOAD THE RIGHT TO BE A POKEMON

Anyway, what makes you think they'll bring back the Doctor?

Costume for Mario!!!!!!!

 

[Pyra]

Costume for Mario!!!!!!!

I thought you meant as an actual character, with different stats and everything

 

[FlappyFalco]

I thought you meant as an actual character, with different stats and everything

Stats?This isn't pokemon!

 

[Deleted member]

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=182901

Hahaha, good luck trying to convince Sakurai via twitter (or much of any other way for that matter).

And I don't support Skull Kid either, and I really love Majora's Mask.

There's good reason why he doesn't read tweets. Very good reasons.

 

[Opossum]

Since they'll probably bring back the cut characters from Melee(except Young Link and Pichu) there's no point.Maybe Virtual Console but not DLC.

Toad is not a pokemon,there are going to be no more than 4 3rd party reps and no more brony gifs(or any gifs)!!!!!!!

But in all seriousness, I doubt Sakurai even gives tweets a second glance. Literally anyone could go on there and ask for ridiculous things. While some ideas may be good, he'd need to sort through too many awful ones for it to be worth it.

 

[Johnknight1]

Good to see Namco producers trying include their characters to Smash Bros, I know Tales characters would please alot of people, but Pacman is where the money is at, don't forget that Namco..

Pretty much this post excellently sums up my opinion. More money, more attention, more fans, more happy.

Solid Snake and Sonic the Hedgehog staying?! Well, I think the whole 3-4 guest character max from so long ago is still applicable today.

Of course they're staying, because they were really popular characters in smash bros, and added fresh flavors to the character roster. That wasn't hard at all to predict.

Hmm. Not sure what to make of the supposed 2013 release.

It is the writer's expectations. What a typical stupid NewsCorp failure of journalism. Inputting opinion over facts per usual.

From what I've seen in Pacman movesets, I don't see anything that doesn't make me think of a mashup of other characters. At least with Snake and Sonic, they play very distinctly, even if their concepts weren't executed very well. Snake was our first real zoner that wasn't laming out with lasers.

Who cares what you "see"=??? Shigeru Miyamoto or Masahiro Sakurai could easily come up with something more unique than the Capcom (they only recycle ideas for characters).

Hahaha, good luck trying to convince Sakurai via twitter (or much of any other way for that matter).

And I don't support Skull Kid either, and I really love Majora's Mask.

I also love Majora's Mask, and I don't get why some people expect Skull Kid. It is one thing to want him, but it's never going to happen. It's just a pipe dream.

 

[Big-Cat]

Who cares what you "see"=??? Shigeru Miyamoto or Masahiro Sakurai could easily come up with something more unique than the Capcom (they only recycle ideas for characters).

Spacies say hi.

 

[Aurane]

Toad is not a pokemon,there are going to be no more than 4 3rd party reps

I hate it when people say, 'There ARE going to be" statements when it comes to a game we know nothing about.

and no more brony gifs(or any gifs)!!!!!!!

Don't tell me what to do.

 

[Johnknight1]

I think the "definite cap" for 3rd party PLAYABLE characters is 6 (including Sonic and Snake), although I think 5 is also a probable "cap" for 3rd party characters.

Spacies say hi.

Yeah, but it's still better than:
-Capcom doing nothing with Mega Man for 5 years but doing re-releases, poor Mega Man Battle Network clones, and trying to remake the classic Mega Man series.
-The only numerical Resident Evil game released (5) was just a worse version of Resident Evil 4 with no horror elements.
-Lots of Resident Evil random unrelated titles.
-Loads of Vs. titles.
-Minimal new IPs.

You can definitely say that about Nintendo (maybe not the declining quality and total lack of originality with their 2 of their 3 biggest IPs; probably just Pokémon), but not Sakurai. All that man does is try to come up with something new, even if he uses the same system, gameplay, etc. of previous titles.

 

[Big-Cat]

You can definitely say that about Nintendo (maybe not the declining quality and total lack of originality with their 2 of their 3 biggest IPs; probably just Pokémon), but not Sakurai. All that man does is try to come up with something new, even if he uses the same system, gameplay, etc. of previous titles.

I don't know about you, but the recent string Mario titles haven't been spectacular save for Galaxy and 3D Land to an extent. I found the NSMB titles to be just boring and hasn't expanded beyond powerups.

And how did you just contradict yourself by saying Sakurai tries to do something new only to end up using the same system, gameplay, etc. of previous titles?

 

[SmashChu]

I think the "definite cap" for 3rd party PLAYABLE characters is 6 (including Sonic and Snake), although I think 5 is also a probable "cap" for 3rd party characters.

Cap was 3 in Brawl and they didn't even hit it. No reason it would even go up as high as 4.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ KumaOso (in regard to Mario)
Well with Mario, Galaxy and even Galaxy 2 were daring and original titles. New Super Mario Bros. (the original, and perhaps the Wii one) were at least something fresh. Super Paper Mario was a fresh idea, too. (I will agree that NEW Super Mario Bros. 2 looks redundant; even the name suggest that)

(in regard to Sakurai's originality)
It's not always "style" that needs to be original, but execution, presentation, setting, and direction. Any of you can say what you will about Smash Bros., but it is pretty clear by the "feel" of each smash bros (and Kirby) game which is which. Sakurai finds many ways to make each of his games "unique," whether they are good or just okay.

Stylistically, you look at Mega Man 9 and 10 (although not as much 10), and their style is essentially the same of the first 5 Mega Man games. They were occasionally as "fresh" and "inspired" as the 1st 3, and leaned more towards those games, but sometimes they felt like the 4th and 5th Mega Man games (especially 9).

Then take a look at Resident Evil 5 (and Resident Evil since then), and the series seems to be clinging to Resident Evil 4's everything for dear life. It hasn't changed it, and if it has, it has been for the worse, and to an action game that happens to have creepy looking zombies. Worst of all, it has lost its' soul it had from Resident Evil 4 and before that. Instead of trying to innovate, reinvent, and push forward, the series is trying to stay the same. (although the worst offender of this was Activision with Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero)

You can stay the same for a while by building on success; that's all fine and dandy. But in the end, you gotta "push" franchises ahead and in new directions, otherwise, the games you are making are literally just add-ons. That is the greatest fear of Masahiro Sakurai. A fear I feel may hurt a few big name studios if they aren't careful (Activision again!)

@ SmashChu
The reason for 4 is plain and simple: The beloved NES icon Mega Man, and arguably the most recognizable gaming character ever, Pac-Man (along with Snake and Sonic, who are both major icons of gaming). Plus Smash Bros. needs some more flavors, and the 3rd party ones are the ones that stick out the most. Most of us will stop caring about the roster when it's just another filler Mario character (Toad, Bowser Jr, Waluigi), another dumb space animal, or a gagillionth Pokémon.

 

[FlappyFalco]

@JohnKnight1:You don't care about newcomers if they aren't 3rd party?Cool story bro.Actually Mario is more famous than Megaman.So is Pac-man.Four because it (means death) allows Sonic and Snake to stay but allows newcomers too.

@asage94:Yes I can and the game is already out in the future.Your avatar,is that a gen VI starter?I'm scared lol.

 

[Aurane]

@asage94:Your avatar,is that a gen VI starter?I'm scared lol.

A wild SCOUT appears!

 

[Johnknight1]

@JohnKnight1:You don't care about newcomers if they aren't 3rd party?Cool story bro.Actually Mario is more famous than Megaman.So is Pac-man.Four because it (means death) allows Sonic and Snake to stay but allows newcomers too.

I never said Mega Man is more famous than Mario. I said Pac-Man is perhaps more famous than Mario and Sonic, and that Sonic is one of the most iconic characters in gaming (with no comparison to Mario, although according to one UK poll, he is more popular than Mario).

Really, I just don't want smash bros. to just become littered of characters that all feel, play, and act like each other. Only 2 of my top 20 or so most wanted playable characters (with at least a snowball in hell's chance of being playable) are 1st/2nd party Nintendo characters. It's just I'd rather have Pac-Man than say 5/6/7/8 generic Mario characters. Also, I want more underrated Nintendo characters. Little Mac, Isaac, Takamaru, Shulk, etc instead of like half of the roster consisting of Pokémon, Mario, and Zelda characters!

Edit: This is now confirmed for Smash WiiU and 3DS!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I want to mention, after reading that article it didn't say Sonic and Snake are staying.

"I think Snake and Sonic joining were fantastic. It made many fans happy, and it broadened the Smash Bros arena,"

Could have been exclusively talking about Brawl here

"However, introducing more non-Nintendo characters willy-nilly will lose the focus of the game, so I also recognize the need to narrow it down."

Could have been talking about the smash series overall. Doesn't mention adding 3rd party to SM4SH along with Sonic and Snake. Though "Narrow it down" could mean he doesn't want too many 3rd party in SM4SH meaning he's already added some 3rd party, meaning Sonic and Snake are already on his roster. So I see how people could jump to that conclusion

It may just be his wording though, don't just assume they are back

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Psycho
Of course Snake and Sonic are on the early build of Smash WiiU and 3DS, because they literally transferred all of the character data from Brawl (like what was done with the Melee data in Brawl). However, unlike Brawl, it seems they will keep most of that data.

So, in other words, cutting them would further be inefficient, especially after they were so well-done, well-liked, and well-executed in Brawl (although there is room for improvement). If Sakurai, Namco Bandai, Nintendo, and smash fans want the largest roster, keeping the 39 playable characters in Brawl is a must.

Still, I don't see Sakurai cutting either character. Sonic is too popular; his crossover series with Mario is proof of that. Snake, on the other hand, could easily get in, since Sakurai and Metal Gear creator Kojima are friends. That and Snake is a BAMF, and was the only BAMF in Brawl (since Rick Wheeler was terrible as Captain Falcon).

 

[Metal Overlord]

I hope that the possibility of Sonic and Snake returning or leaving is one of the first things Sakurai confirms when it comes to the roster

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Little Mac and Shulk underrated ? In my dreams, that is.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Metal Overlord of the Underworld of the Skyworld of Outer Space of Andross' BRAINNNNNN!!!
Yeah, because quite frankly, I want the Snake haters to go away, especially since Snake probably had amongst the most unique moveset in smash, and he adds a persona that wasn't in smash before. Nearly all of the other characters in smash have minimal character depth (minus Samus), and none of them have projectiles, weapons, or skills like Snake.

If you all hate bad movesets, hate on Pit. Pit's Brawl moveset was terribly constructed. Pit is awkward to play as, Pit's specials are terrible and serve little to no purpose, Pit is absolutely terrible in the air (his moves are just poorly created for air use). Oh, and Pit's offense is pretty much just Pit being a camping, stalling, arrow spamming troll!

@ Jhonnykiller45
Underrated as a potential smash bros playable character=??? Debatable. Underrated outside of smash=??? Definitely. Punch-Out is sadly one of the most overlooked long-running Nintendo franchises. Each title thus far from the Punch-Out series has been great. As for Xenoblade Chronicles, it is a fairly overlooked modern day classic RPG.

 

[Big-Cat]

@ Metal Overlord of the Underworld of the Skyworld of Outer Space of Andross' BRAINNNNNN!!!
Yeah, because quite frankly, I want the Snake haters to go away, especially since Snake probably had amongst the most unique moveset in smash, and he adds a persona that wasn't in smash before. Nearly all of the other characters in smash have minimal character depth (minus Samus), and none of them have projectiles, weapons, or skills like Snake.

If you all hate bad movesets, hate on Pit. Pit's Brawl moveset was terribly constructed. Pit is awkward to play as, Pit's specials are terrible and serve little to no purpose, Pit is absolutely terrible in the air (his moves are just poorly created for air use). Oh, and Pit's offense is pretty much just Pit being a camping, stalling, arrow spamming troll!

A lot of the characters in Smash are either poorly designed (Ganondorf), lacking in depth (Zelda), or not well rounded (Link). On the other hand, you have some characters that were very well designed in one game or another (namely Melee) that showed that despite a simplified button scheme and attack inputs that Smash can be as deep as the other 2D fighters and that honor goes to Fox, Marth, Jigglypuff, Peach (to this day, I'm amazed how she turned out in Melee), Capt. Falcon, and a few others.

But yeah, Snake was our first real zoner. No, camping with really good/annoying lasers or arrows don't count.

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^ Ganondorf isn't poorly designed, his design was just poorly executed. They were trying to make him more of an all-out offensive power character, but they took away his (deceptive) speed that made him an average character in Melee. Of course, Game Arts being Game Arts probably thought Ganondorf in Melee was broken!

With Zelda, she did lack depth. She had minimal offensive firepower. What additionally hurt her was that most of her moves were "extended." By that I mean, if you "land" an attack, her animation freezes there for quite a while (with no additionally hit boxes), and she is vulnerable. This meant she essentially had extra after-move lag (like Ganondorf).

With Link, you're right, he was terribly rounded. The Brawl tether recovery edge grab system hurt him and all characters who are reliant on tether recovery. He had tons of after lag with moves. This also nearly eliminated his grab game, which hurt his already weak offense. The Gale Boomerang doing nothing for Link adds up to one big disaster!

On the other hand, you have some characters that were very well designed in one game or another (namely Melee) that showed that despite a simplified button scheme and attack inputs that Smash can be as deep as the other 2D fighters and that honor goes to Fox, Marth, Jigglypuff, Peach (to this day, I'm amazed how she turned out in Melee), Capt. Falcon, and a few others.

I also felt the Japanese Smash 64 Link, Melee Falco, Smash 64 Yoshi, Smash 64 Mario, Doc, and Melee Sheik fall into this category. (Meta Knight?)

But yeah, Snake was our first real zoner. No, camping with really good/annoying lasers or arrows don't count.

This. He also used projectiles without having the need for camping (aside from the camping that Brawl's engine essentially forced). He also has unique CQC moves.

 

[Big-Cat]

I also felt the Japanese Smash 64 Link, Melee Falco, Smash 64 Yoshi, Smash 64 Mario, Doc, and Melee Sheik fall into this category. (Meta Knight?)

I suppose as well. The ones I had mentioned were referring to their Melee designs. Again, I'm absolutely amazed at how Peach turned out. Most people would've been surprised to see her in a fighting game, yet she's in with arguably one of the best movesets.

The way I see it with Meta Knight, he was good in the sense that he showed some of the biggest flaws in Smash's design such as an overwhelming bias for aerials, the lack of preemptive balancing measurements (planking), and arguably the flaws of DI not being fully thought out for every move. Speaking of which, I think DI needs to be changed to where that if the opponent DI's out of an attack, the attacker must be able to counter it if he reads right. In other words, it's like rock, paper, scissors without dynamite/atomic bomb/whatever you used.

This. He also used projectiles without having the need for camping (aside from the camping that Brawl's engine essentially forced). He also has unique CQC moves.

Which reminds me. I'm still enamored with Project M's Zelda and her Din's Fire. That made me realize that the aspect of mining/trapping in this game - as not a lot 2D fighters do this - is an area that has a lot of potential. This goes back to one of my main beefs with Brawl. I've said for as long as I can remember that Smash's platformer design allows for so much potential in how characters play that it's so frustrating to see even some fan made movesets not try to push the envelope outside of the "typical" Smash moveset.

 

[FlappyFalco]

What would happen if this game is terrible?I keep having nightmares that you'll need the 3DS version(which will be just as bad) to unlock Story,Toon Link and all my mains are cut,Waluigi isn't added,he's cut from assist trophies along with the Luigi colour alteration,the only characters are Mario,Luigi,Daisy(I hate Daisy)Pikachu(hate him too),Link,Zero Suit Samus,Kirby(I admit I dislike him a bit)Megaman and a Tekken character,half of them are broken,it's always random who you play as and tripping is much more common.That would be my worst nightmare,lol.

@Past 4 posts:Did you write a short story or a reply to a forum?

@asage94:You can't catch a starter in the wild!You used cheat codes!