Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

Starphoenix · Oct 31, 2013

Xenoblaze said:
I can easily go that far.

His fate is already labeled right in broad daylight.

That's absurd. Whether he is playable or not is up to Sakurai, but it won't be because Peach's down special disqualifies him from being playable.

BKupa666 · Oct 31, 2013

Arcadenik said:
We already got nameless faceless newcomers from best-selling franchises. Villager and Wii Fit Trainer would like a word with you.

Toad is not nameless or faceless...

The term 'nameless and faceless' is in reference to the notion that literally any character from the Mario series will suffice, so long as they're from the Mario series, because of the "reps" condition with which many are afflicted. My mistake for interpreting your 'sufficient' terminology as a continuation of the "reps" talking point.

--- · Oct 31, 2013

Just give me Yoshi and I'll be content.

Kaye Cruiser · Oct 31, 2013

Meh, I'd definitely take Rosalina over Toad and majority of the new characters that people whine and moan about wanting in Smash 4.

Arcadenik · Oct 31, 2013

Moon Monkey said:
If anything Rosaline should just be and alt costume for Peach. Just replace Toad with a Luma.

That won't work... You cannot call Rosalina "Peach" unless you are Mario cheating on Peach... it is not the same like the Wii Fit Trainer's case where the male and female trainers are interchangeable.

Starphoenix · Oct 31, 2013

--- said:
Just give me Yoshi and I'll be content.

What about Wario?

Moon Monkey said:
If anything Rosaline should just be and alt costume for Peach. Just replace Toad with a Luma.

I'ts stuff like this that Sakurai is trying to avoid.

FlareHabanero · Oct 31, 2013

Starphoenix said:
That's absurd. Whether he is playable or not is up to Sakurai, but it won't be because Peach's down special disqualifies him from being playable.

Ironically you're only providing more confidence that Toad is not playable.

"There are more then one Toad the special attack doesn't disqualify Toad shut up your face is stupid"

Both Melee and Brawl times used that sort of logic too. Most likely going to happen again. I'm sorry, but eventually you'll get the hint.

Arcadenik · Oct 31, 2013

Shortiecanbrawl said:
He's not bluffing, he can get it pretty far.

Yeah, judging by your gag reflex in your avatar picture, he got it in too far. :troll:

TheFirstPoppyBro · Oct 31, 2013

I leave for ten minutes and we're having a Mario newcomer discussion.

How about nobody new? If we're gonna get anyone else, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Doc because he was worked on in Brawl alongside Mewtwo and Roy.

I'll admit, I don't like that idea, I just find it somewhat likely. Though I find nobody new as the more likely choice.

Kaye Cruiser · Oct 31, 2013

Arcadenik said:
That won't work... You cannot call Rosalina "Peach" unless you are Mario cheating on Peach... it is not the same like the Wii Fit Trainer's case where the male and female trainers are interchangeable.

Oh please, Rosalina is just a better Peach with a decent background story that's a lot more useful, a lot more mature and a lot less annoying.

It's not like she's Daisy who is vastly different despite only being able to say "Hi, I'm Daisy!". ¦D

And even then Daisy has always been one of Peach's alt colors, taking us back to the times where Daisy was just a recolored Peach and nothing more.

Arcadenik · Oct 31, 2013

Wave Kusanagi said:
Oh please, Rosalina is just a better Peach with a decent background story that's a lot more useful, a lot more mature and a lot less annoying.

It's not like she's Daisy who is vastly different despite only being able to say "Hi, I'm Daisy!". ¦D

Point is.... Rosalina is not Peach. It is not a matter of who is better.

Shorts · Oct 31, 2013

Now that Toad is gone, nothing stops Bowser Junior from being playable. I hope you're happy Habby.

Moon Monkey · Oct 31, 2013

--- said:
Just give me Yoshi and I'll be content.

Oasis_S · Oct 31, 2013

Also Rosalina is seven feet tall.

Autumn ♫ · Oct 31, 2013

Arcadenik said:
Point is.... Rosalina is not Peach. It is not a matter of who is better.

Daisy isn't Peach either.

TheFirstPoppyBro · Oct 31, 2013

At this point, I wouldn't mind if none of my wanted newcomers make it, so long as Jigglypuff comes back to shut up the idiots who think she'll definitely be cut out.

FlareHabanero · Oct 31, 2013

Shortiecanbrawl said:
Now that Toad is gone, nothing stops Bowser Junior from being playable. I hope you're happy Habby.

I don't even care about Bowser Junior.

I'm not really much of a Mario type of guy.

Berserker. · Oct 31, 2013

To be honest and at this point, I'm not expecting Toad anymore. Lol.

But then again, I'd rather wait. Blue Toad's the God now (Not really).

At this point, Toad being playable in SSB 4 is a plus for me because the main cake is his playability in Super Mario 3D World.

I'm not expecting any newcomer in Mario. It's a possibility that for some reason, people keep forgetting about

BKupa666 · Oct 31, 2013

TheFirstPoppyBro said:
I leave for ten minutes and we're having a Mario newcomer discussion.

How about nobody new? If we're gonna get anyone else, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Doc because he was worked on in Brawl alongside Mewtwo and Roy.

I'll admit, I don't like that idea, I just find it somewhat likely. Though I find nobody new as the more likely choice.

Unless Sakurai still has misgivings about "reducing the uniqueness" of characters by giving more than just WFT and Wario costumes, I don't see much of a problem with adding a Doc costume for Mario. This is something that people have asked for for years, since pre-Brawl, and now, several seem to be getting cold feet for whatever reason. We don't yet know for sure whether or not He Fit Trainer will have slight tweaks to his moves, so it's not as though Doc would lose his Melee playstyle for sure if he became a similar costume.

Kaye Cruiser · Oct 31, 2013

Arcadenik said:
Point is.... Rosalina is not Peach. It is not a matter of who is better.

That's your point.

My point is that, yeah, she basically is.

Peach having Rosalina as an alternate costume would be no different from how she already has the Daisy color re-skin since Daisy at one point in the past WAS just a recolored Peach.

But screw alt outfits. I'd rather see Rosalina be a new character on her own.

Arcadenik · Oct 31, 2013

ScatmansWorld25 said:
Daisy isn't Peach either.

Must be why Peach didn't have Daisy as a model swap like the male Wii Fit Trainer is for the female Wii Fit Trainer but instead she got a palette swap based on Daisy.

Moon Monkey · Oct 31, 2013

Arcadenik said:
That won't work... You cannot call Rosalina "Peach" unless you are Mario cheating on Peach... it is not the same like the Wii Fit Trainer's case where the male and female trainers are interchangeable.

Starphoenix said:
I'ts stuff like this that Sakurai is trying to avoid.

Oh okay, so it's okay for Daisy to be interchangeable with Peach, because they have similar builds. But it's NOT okay for Rosalina to be interchangeable, because they have similar builds??? Help me out here guys. What is this?:

Because it looks like Peach in Daisy's dress. Would it better if Peach was in Rosalina's dress???

Kaye Cruiser · Oct 31, 2013

Arcadenik said:
Must be why Peach didn't have Daisy as a model swap like the male Wii Fit Trainer is for the female Wii Fit Trainer but instead she got a palette swap based on Daisy.

Yeah, no. Read.

Wave Kusanagi said:
That's your point.

My point is that, yeah, she basically is.

Peach having Rosalina as an alternate costume would be no different from how she already has the Daisy color re-skin since Daisy at one point in the past WAS just a recolored Peach.

But screw alt outfits. I'd rather see Rosalina be a new character on her own.

Moon Monkey said:
Oh okay so it's okay for Daisy to be interchange with Peach, because they have similar builds. But it's not okay for Rosalina to be interchangeable, because they have similar builds??? Help me out here guys. What is this?

Because it looks like Peach in Daisy's dress. Would it better if Peach was in Rosalina's Dress?

Yeah, try again, Arcadenik.

Starphoenix · Oct 31, 2013

Xenoblaze said:
Ironically you're only providing more confidence that Toad is not playable.

"There are more then one Toad the special attack doesn't disqualify Toad shut up your face is stupid"

Both Melee and Brawl times used that sort of logic too. Most likely going to happen again. I'm sorry, but eventually you'll get the hint.

Your applying a presupposition there cannot be two Toads when there is nothing that states there cannot be. Trying to force logic into a game that already bends the nature of many of the series for each character is not something I'd be so confident about. I seem to recall some people saying Toon Link couldn't be playable because we had Conductor Link. Using Melee and Brawl to establish your "logic" is disingenuous at best. We'll see in the coming months what happens.

Moon Monkey said:
Oh okay, so it's okay for Daisy to be interchangeable with Peach, because they have similar builds. But it's NOT okay for Rosalina to be interchangeable, because they have similar builds??? Help me out here guys. What is this?:

Because it looks like Peach in Daisy's dress. Would it better if Peach was in Rosalina's dress???

Do realize there is a difference between a color swap and alternate costumes.

Kaye Cruiser · Oct 31, 2013

Starphoenix said:
Do realize there is a difference between a color swap and alternate costumes.

Honestly, there really isn't. People just try too hard to over-glorify the alt costumes.

But if we want to be that anal about it, the model used for the Daisy color and the model used for Peach's usual outfits are not exactly the same, which you can clearly see just by looking.

FlareHabanero · Oct 31, 2013

Starphoenix said:
We'll see in the coming months what happens.

No need to wait, we already confirmed his fate back in September.

But if you're really that desperate to wait till release date and see that Toad isn't on the roster 110%, feel free to do it. But one thing for sure is that having a character being confirmed for anything but playable is not supposed to be a sign of encouragement.

Oasis_S · Oct 31, 2013

Like really look at all that height she has.

Starphoenix · Oct 31, 2013

Xenoblaze said:
No need to wait, we already confirmed his fate back in September.

But if you're really that desperate to wait till release date and see that Toad isn't on the roster 110%, feel free to do it. But one thing for sure is that having a character being confirmed for anything but playable is not supposed to be a sign of encouragement.

FlareHabanero · Oct 31, 2013

Starphoenix said:

Log out Shortie.

Moon Monkey · Oct 31, 2013

Starphoenix said:
Do realize there is a difference between a color swap and alternate costumes.

I'm just saying, when you take the time to give a color swap specific assets like a flower pendent and flower earrings, you might as well go all out.

Sakurai & Co. could of easily just changed the color value on Peach's existing model assets, but they took the time to actually model these things out.

Kaye Cruiser · Oct 31, 2013

Oasis_S said:
Like really look at all that height she has.

And then she gets shrunk down to Peach's and Daisy's size in Mario Kart Wii so no one remembers her larger height and they don't care either.

Yaaay~! =D

Arcadenik · Oct 31, 2013

Wave Kusanagi said:
Honestly, there really isn't. People just try too hard to over-glorify the alt costumes.

But if we want to be that anal about it, the model used for the Daisy color and the model used for Peach's usual outfits are not exactly the same, which you can clearly see just by looking.

That may be the case in Melee... but it was not so in Brawl. Sorry.

And besides, the Daisy model swap in Melee didn't get its own set of palette swaps like the Wario Land Wario's model swap did.

Oasis_S said:
Also Rosalina is forty feet tall.

Rosalina is too big.

Big-Cat · Oct 31, 2013

Anyone see this?
http://kotaku.com/nintendo-pulls-3ds-feature-says-kids-were-sharing-off-1456565997

Stupid kids and sending naked pics to each other.

κomıc · Oct 31, 2013

I actually think Toad may have a chance. Unlikely, but still.

EDIT: lol @ Swapnote. I read the article and it mentioned you'd get notified via a blue light (Spotpass). Look to my right, oh look, 3DS has a blue light on. Oh jeez, this sucks. I hope it won't affect the notes I've saved since I started using the app. Want to look back, you know?

Oasis_S · Oct 31, 2013

Wave Kusanagi said:
And then she gets shrunk down to Peach's and Daisy's size in Mario Kart Wii so no one remembers her larger height and they don't care either.

Was she? I remember her being a heavyweight.

Moon Monkey · Nov 1, 2013

Oasis_S said:
Was she? I remember her being a heavyweight.

Yeah, she is a heavyweight, but she is essentially the same size as Peach.

Rosalina is scaled down only when Nintendo finds it convenient. Kinda like Bowser.

Arcadenik · Nov 1, 2013

KumaOso said:
Anyone see this?
http://kotaku.com/nintendo-pulls-3ds-feature-says-kids-were-sharing-off-1456565997

Stupid kids and sending naked pics to each other.

Damn. Good thing I didn't waste my Play Coins on those extra stationery.

Kaye Cruiser · Nov 1, 2013

Arcadenik said:
That may be the case in Melee... but it was not so in Brawl. Sorry.

And besides, the Daisy model swap in Melee didn't get its own set of palette swaps like the Wario Land Wario's model swap did.

1. No ****, I was talking about Melee. I've actually messed with Peach's Brawl model myself, so I know those are the same.

2. Why does that even matter? There isn't any greater significance in that. You're really overplaying and overrating it.

If anything, Sakurai is (as always) just limiting things needlessly because of his dumb worries about "individuality". It won't harm anything. The people who want Peach's voice and model will use the Peach costumes and the people who would want either Daisy or Rosalina would pick those. The same would apply with any other characters who had alt outfits. The same DOES apply to Wario's and now to the two Fit Trainers.

If anything, he should be seeing this as a way for him to completely avoid making complete clones while still putting in other characters that people like in a way that wouldn't bother them too much. Then again, Toon Link is proof that the whole "clone" thing isn't as much of an issue to him as he tried to make it seem.

I swear, that would never be an issue if all the clones were either just alternate costumes, or were built more like Luigi.

FlareHabanero · Nov 1, 2013

Oasis_S said:
Was she? I remember her being a heavyweight.

In Mario Kart Wii it's based around height, while in Mario Kart 7 it's based on weight.

She's classified as Large in Mario Kart Wii and Cruiser in Mario Kart 7.

So yes, she's indeed classified as fat. But she'll just masquerade it as "gravitational powers".

Moon Monkey · Nov 1, 2013

KumaOso said:
Anyone see this?
http://kotaku.com/nintendo-pulls-3ds-feature-says-kids-were-sharing-off-1456565997

Stupid kids and sending naked pics to each other.

Isn't the whole reason behind friend codes to prevent children from being exposed to older people who might do stuff like this?

But if kids are already doing, what Nintento is trying to protect them from, then doesn't it make the FC pretty much useless???

I think Nintendo should quit trying to be BIG brother, and leave it to the parents to be BIG adults and take care of their kids.

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