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There was data finalsmash of the pirateship from Wind waker with pirates attacking basically she was in there
We've quoted data with Toon Sheik specifically on there. That doesn't mean Tetra was ever planned, though. All that means is that something related to her was planned. That could've been a Toon Link Final Smash idea or a part of The Pirate Ship course. Could you actually show this? I mean, the actual data. This is interesting too. It's not good evidence of Tetra being planned for the game, but it does show she might've appeared in some kind of gameplay(at the very least).
 

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We've quoted data with Toon Sheik specifically on there. That doesn't mean Tetra was ever planned, though. All that means is that something related to her was planned. That could've been a Toon Link Final Smash idea or a part of The Pirate Ship course. Could you actually show this? I mean, the actual data. This is interesting too. It's not good evidence of Tetra being planned for the game, but it does show she might've appeared in some kind of gameplay(at the very least).
I think it has more to do with the logical assumption that Toon Zelda's counter-part is Tetra as opposed to Zelda's counter-part being Sheik. I doubt there is any data or evidence on it. It is more implied.
 

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We've quoted data with Toon Sheik specifically on there. That doesn't mean Tetra was ever planned, though. All that means is that something related to her was planned. That could've been a Toon Link Final Smash idea or a part of The Pirate Ship course. Could you actually show this? I mean, the actual data. This is interesting too. It's not good evidence of Tetra being planned for the game, but it does show she might've appeared in some kind of gameplay(at the very least).
Well we all know sheik was never in wind waker instead it was tetra who ahem well you know who is actually is
 

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I think it has more to do with the logical assumption that Toon Zelda's counter-part is Tetra as opposed to Zelda's counter-part being Sheik. I doubt there is any data or evidence on it. It is more implied.
So there's absolutely no good reason to believe Tetra was ever planned. Got it.

Assumptions when the data tells you otherwise is just being stubborn.

If Tetra was planned, we need real proof or data. Assumptions are not proof. We know there was a Toon Sheik at one time because the data is real. There is no literal data for Tetra, and no statements from Sakurai telling us Tetra was planned.

Tetra being planned is 100% unprovable at this time. I am interested in that supposed Final Smash, though. Toon Zelda could have also used that, without Tetra, as she's still the version from Wind Waker regardless.
 

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Sheik was never in Twilight Princess but in Brawl she ahem well you know was.
Lol well of course Sheik was in brawl because sheik was in melee and the fact twilight princess she was actually going to be in it with a role but was scrapped the artwork was still there so sakurai planned use it for that
 

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Lol well of course Sheik was in brawl because sheik was in melee and the fact twilight princess she was actually going to be in it with a role but was scrapped the artwork was still there so sakurai planned use it for that
Sakurai did not plan for a Sheik originally to be in Brawl. That was all Nintendo. He just asked for Zelda characters(only Link was obviously coming back that we knew of), and was given a lot of designs.

That has nothing to do with the Toon Sheik stuff, since we have zero knowledge to why she was ever in the plans in the first place. Sakurai didn't drop clones in Brawl, so it was probably just roster filler.

FYI, I would've preferred Tetra with Toon Zelda. That doesn't mean that was ever going to be the case, and we got really nothing that shows it definitely will.(we don't even have proof that it was ever going to be the case either) We only actually knew he had an idea for a Toon Sheik at best. No more, no less.
 

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Sakurai did not plan for a Sheik originally to be in Brawl. That was all Nintendo. He just asked for Zelda characters(only Link was obviously coming back that we knew of), and was given a lot of designs.

That has nothing to do with the Toon Sheik stuff, since we have zero knowledge to why she was ever in the plans in the first place. Sakurai didn't drop clones in Brawl, so it was probably just roster filler.

FYI, I would've preferred Tetra with Toon Zelda. That doesn't mean that was ever going to be the case, and we got really nothing that shows it definitely will.(we don't even have proof that it was ever going to be the case either) We only actually knew he had an idea for a Toon Sheik at best. No more, no less.
The data is there so it has to be her there is no Toon sheik and if there ever was i gack and rage on the fact they use a completely utter character build up from the ground then a character who was actually made in apperance in the Zelda series
 

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The data is there so it has to be her there is no Toon sheik and if there ever was i gack and rage on the fact they use a completely utter character build up from the ground then a character who was actually made in apperance in the Zelda serieds
Giga. Bowser.

Twilight Princess Sheik.

Neither exist outside of Smash Bros. at any time. SSB first made Giga. Nintendo did design a TP Sheik, but the fact is, she doesn't exist outside of Smash either.

Your point doesn't work for the purposes of Smash when characters who don't exist outside of it are playable. Toon Sheik is exactly the same thing as Twilight Princess Sheik and Giga Bowser, SSB-only characters that were never in the original series at any time. The fact that it was in the data means it was a Toon Sheik at one time. Why on earth would Sakurai put in Toon Sheik if he meant Tetra the entire time. He knows what her name is. It's Tetra and always was Tetra. It doesn't bloody make sense that he would put in a character name that literally doesn't exist unless he meant that character in the first place. Every other character can be pointed out to the exact person that was meant, except this one.

No, it doesn't make sense it was Tetra. It makes sense he could've changed his mind from using a clone of Sheik in Toon form to putting in Tetra, at best.(this actually follows logic within what Sakurai has actually done)

And there's still zero proof Tetra was ever planned. Literally. We have data that at least says every single name accurately. Which unsurprisingly doesn't have Tetra in the character data(imagine that).

Now, you went on about some unique Final Smash. Named Pirate Ship? Could you please cite this? It doesn't mean much, depending the actual data, mind you. But it does mean somebody else could've had an unique Final Smash, probably Toon Link since his course is the Pirate Ship itself(or Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik, if Zelda/Sheik having the same Final Smash is any indication).
 

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Giga. Bowser.

Twilight Princess Sheik.

Neither exist outside of Smash Bros. at any time. SSB first made Giga. Nintendo did design a TP Sheik, but the fact is, she doesn't exist outside of Smash either.

Your point doesn't work for the purposes of Smash when characters who don't exist outside of it are playable. Toon Sheik is exactly the same thing as Twilight Princess Sheik and Giga Bowser, SSB-only characters that were never in the original series at any time. The fact that it was in the data means it was a Toon Sheik at one time. Why on earth would Sakurai put in Toon Sheik if he meant Tetra the entire time. He knows what her name is. It's Tetra and always was Tetra. It doesn't bloody make sense that he would put in a character name that literally doesn't exist unless he meant that character in the first place. Every other character can be pointed out to the exact person that was meant, except this one.

No, it doesn't make sense it was Tetra. It makes sense he could've changed his mind from using a clone of Sheik in Toon form to putting in Tetra, at best.(this actually follows logic within what Sakurai has actually done)

And there's still zero proof Tetra was ever planned. Literally. We have data that at least says every single name accurately. Which unsurprisingly doesn't have Tetra in the character data(imagine that).

Now, you went on about some unique Final Smash. Named Pirate Ship? Could you please cite this? It doesn't mean much, depending the actual data, mind you. But it does mean somebody else could've had an unique Final Smash, probably Toon Link since his course is the Pirate Ship itself(or Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik, if Zelda/Sheik having the same Final Smash is any indication).
Twilight princess sheik does exist she was just scrapped


as for giga i can understand that but still Toon sheik could been tetras data name
 

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Twilight princess sheik does exist she was just scrapped
She is not in Twilight Princess, so that doesn't matter. The fact she, she does not actually exist as a character outside of SSB at any time. I'd like to note that a toon-like Sheik appears in Scribblenauts Unlimited. I don't think it means anything, but how that design exists is odd. Like when it was made. Before Brawl? Perhaps? All it means is that that design does exist, meaning the idea of a Toon Sheik is clearly not farfetched.

as for giga i can understand that but still Toon sheik could been tetras data name
I find that hard to believe once Giga showed up. Especially as being playable. No, Toon Sheik was just a Toon Sheik and was his idea at the time.

I do think he probably thought of putting in Tetra later, however, we have only proof that Toon Sheik was planned. Why would only one character have a codename when all the other data has their exact character names? It doesn't actually make sense at all. It's really not actual logic, it's stubborness by this point that an unique character made by Sakurai couldn't be playable(when there already is?) The fact that he decided to make Giga playable in Brawl further cements the idea that Toon Sheik was in his plans. If he can make one clone designed by him playable, why can't he make another? Why is it even hard ot believe at all?

Now, please answer my question about that supposed final smash. Where is the data? I find that interesting, even if it probably means zip.

I could see it meaning that later on he thought of scrapping Toon Sheik for Tetra, but there's really no data to back up that theory. There's enough data to show he had an idea for a Toon Sheik and that's literally it.
 

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She is not in Twilight Princess, so that doesn't matter. The fact she, she does not actually exist as a character outside of SSB at any time. I'd like to note that a toon-like Sheik appears in Scribblenauts Unlimited. I don't think it means anything, but how that design exists is odd. Like when it was made. Before Brawl? Perhaps? All it means is that that design does exist, meaning the idea of a Toon Sheik is clearly not farfetched.



I find that hard to believe once Giga showed up. Especially as being playable. No, Toon Sheik was just a Toon Sheik and was his idea at the time.

I do think he probably thought of putting in Tetra later, however, we have only proof that Toon Sheik was planned. Why would only one character have a codename when all the other data has their exact character names? It doesn't actually make sense at all. It's really not actual logic, it's stubborness by this point that an unique character made by Sakurai couldn't be playable(when there already is?) The fact that he decided to make Giga playable in Brawl further cements the idea that Toon Sheik was in his plans. If he can make one clone designed by him playable, why can't he make another? Why is it even hard ot believe at all?

Now, please answer my question about that supposed final smash. Where is the data? I find that interesting, even if it probably means zip.

I could see it meaning that later on he thought of scrapping Toon Sheik for Tetra, but there's really no data to back up that theory. There's enough data to show he had an idea for a Toon Sheik and that's literally it.
She was suppose to be orignally yes shes not in it but still the artwork shows that she was planned for it so techincally she is in it just as artwork design kind like the goron collosus data in twilight princess is there but does nothing but attack the player and is invulnerable
 

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Sakurai did not plan for a Sheik originally to be in Brawl. That was all Nintendo. He just asked for Zelda characters(only Link was obviously coming back that we knew of), and was given a lot of designs.
I don't think so.

What's hot about her? The fact that she dresses like me, or the fact that her **** is bigger than yours?
 

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She was suppose to be orignally yes shes not in it but still the artwork shows that she was planned for it so techincally she is in it just as artwork design kind like the goron collosus data in twilight princess is there but does nothing but attack the player and is invulnerable
Sheik is not in Twilight Princess.

In fact, has anyone found her data on the disc? Goron Collosus is a different situation as it was in the data, not just a concept art.

Goron Collosus actually is in the game. They're different situations. Concept Art doesn't mean it's part of the original game, just an idea for it. Data is a little different from a drawing, after all.
 

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Sheik is not in Twilight Princess.

In fact, has anyone found her data on the disc? Goron Collosus is a different situation as it was in the data, not just a concept art.

Goron Collosus actually is in the game. They're different situations. Concept Art doesn't mean it's part of the original game, just an idea for it. Data is a little different from a drawing, after all.
Still dosen't mean they didn't use a character who is still originally part of Twilight princess yes its drawing but its still a design when design a character for a game don't you have to make artwork of design before making a graphical design of that character?
 

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Sheik is not in Twilight Princess.

In fact, has anyone found her data on the disc? Goron Collosus is a different situation as it was in the data, not just a concept art.

Goron Collosus actually is in the game. They're different situations. Concept Art doesn't mean it's part of the original game, just an idea for it. Data is a little different from a drawing, after all.
How are you going to make the Mewtwo thing an argument if you feel that way about Sheik? This is kind of the same thing. Mewtwo was meant to be in Brawl. Sheik was meant to be in Twilight Princess. They are absent in their respective games, it doesn't change initial plans though.
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