Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Reznor]

Well, you're comparing two different kinds of games in that regard. Certain games benefit more from story elements than others. A game like Smash Bros. doesn't exactly need a story mode because the focus is on it being a Mascot Fighter. Hence why Marvel vs. Capcom's story modes (if it's present) is incredibly minimal. However, a game like Project X Zone needs a story due to it being an RPG.

MVC3 is different its a barebones game that promised a great story (on forums and stuff) and what we got was disappointing
you expect a story with Marvel (not a good one though )

 

[Metal Overlord]

MVC3 is different its a barebones game that promised a great story (on forums and stuff) and what we got was disappointing

Well that's based more on personal expectations lol which is a totally different story altogether

 

[Moon Monkey]

Speaking of bigger and more powerful versions of characters, what do you guys think of Giga Bowser? Do you guys think he should be a boss again?

To be honest I hope they do away with Giga-Bowser as Bowser's Final Smash.
Yeah, it was cool, but I prefer to see a Final Smash that is taken from Bowser's arsenal in the Super Mario universe rather than the Smash.

Like maybe the use of his Clown-copter.

In a matter of fact, I would like to see the use of the Clown-copter as his stage entrance animation.

 

[Reznor]

Well that's based more on personal expectations lol which is a totally different story altogether

but they promised (from what I heard they promised a good story mode)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

In a matter of fact, I would like to see the use of the Clown-copter as his stage entrance animation.

This would be so much better than his entrance animation from Brawl.

 

[Oasis_S]

Wouldn't the Klown Kar fit K. Rool better.

 

[Kamikazek]

Okay, I gotta ask, is anyone as scared of patches as I am?

Everyone thinks they will improve balance for us competitive players, but I'm scared it will become PSASBR and we'll end up with the randoms asking for changes and it happened.

For those who don't know, they nerfed low tiers and buffed top tiers in PSASBR because of this vocal majority complaining. They wanna please the large part of the fanbase, and this could be scary. Especially if they make MAJOR game changes like the last patch PSASBR had and make everything you ever learned for six month null and void too to avoid some things.

Any thoughts?

I think it's a very legitimate concern for competitive players. I've seen a lot of people talk about patches as if they'll be aimed at high level play but given what Sakurai has said and done so far I'd say it's more likely the patches will be aimed at wherever skill level most of the playerbase ends up falling at, which certainly isn't going to be competitive level. And since competitive Smash is very, VERY different than casual Smash and perceptions of which characters and attacks are good is completely different between the two groups I'd say the effect those patches have on competitive play would be random at best. The only thing I could see them clearly helping out for in the competitive scene is with someone like Metaknight who is, in my experience, considered broken at every single level of play (which is quite an accomplishment honestly).

Like people have said making all the patch versions selectable would alleviate the worry of patches making things worse, but I still don't see them making things better except by happenstance.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Great minds think alike.

The Copter would really be a much better FS though (as well as a good stage entrance), it's something he's actually done, unlike Giga Bowser, and it'd probably be more fun as well. It's a cool throwback to SMW too, it'd be like the final fight with him except without the Mecha Koopas so you can't win.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Wouldn't the Klown Kar fit K. Rool better.

I would love to see a Kremling struggling to carry King K. Rool's fat ass on his back, until his legs give way and King K. Rool ends up squishing him as his stage entrance.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Wouldn't the Klown Kar fit K. Rool better.

Not punny enough funny.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I would love to see a Kremling struggling to carry King K. Rool's fat *** on his back, until his legs give way and King K. Rool ends up squishing them as his stage entrance.

And after he gets up the Kremling falls off the stage like in Donkey Kong Country.

 

[Demna]

Not punny enough funny.

Speaking of puns...

Spoiler

 

[Croph]

Sorry for the late responses... Just got back on my home PC haha...ha.

Hmm, perhaps. Maybe I should look into what Phoenix can do in MvC3. Who knows, I might get a stroke of inspiration that isn't inspired by a dude who's inspired by the dude who sang for Queen.

I'll still stick to my Lyn, but it might stop me from badmouthing you Roy fans.

Phoenix is my fave fighter in MvC3 (well, actually tied with Amaterasu haha). Because of this, it's quite natural that I thought of her when I came up with my Roy moveset. I think she's definitely worth looking into, not only for Roy's sake, but just to get some general inspiration.

A basic move guide if you're curious.

Honestly, I think that Roy can easily "borrow" some of Phoenix's moves. Taken from the Wiki:

Flare Sword - Phoenix creates cosmic fire from her hand which has a trail which has similar shape with a sword. It is performed if front + high attack button is pressed. This attack is a key component to Phoenix's rushdown combos.

Burn Out Beak - Phoenix goes downward with flaming legs which has phoenix's beak, burns and knocked enemy down. It is performed when she is in mid-air, pressing down + high attack button.

TK Shot - Phoenix shoots a small flaming telekinetic ball which explodes and burns enemies on impact. During her Dark Phoenix mode, she shoots 2 balls at once. The speed of the ball depends on the button the player presses. The strongest version will follow the opponent around the stage. This is her main tool for zoning and damage.

TK Trap - Phoenix creates flaming phoenix emblem, which depends on the button player press. With low attack button, the phoenix emblem is on the ground, which flies upwards if opponent jumps on it. The medium attack button creates the emblem in front of her. The high attack button creates phoenix emblem in front of her which then flies up-forward

TK Overdrive - Phoenix flies forward spinning in flames, attacking opponent. She spins up-forward when medium button is pressed.

Teleport - Phoenix will teleport next to her opponent. If the low attack button is pressed she will teleport in front of her opponent, the middle attack button places her behind the opponent while the heavy attack button teleports her above the opponent

omg what's up with the grammar

For example, for Teleport, Roy could teleport in different directions depending on the input, immediately creating a fiery sword slash once he reappears. And I think Normals are pretty easy to envision. Just make Roy do flaming physical attacks with the SoS instead.

Don't worry, I'm not trying to force Roy onto you or anything. I'm just trying to come up with some unique ideas.

You obviously have not seen my new Roy moveset concept(s) where he works primarily with unique stabbing moves with barely any pre-lag, but a few moves have a fair share of post-lag. He also is very gracious in the air, works best when he is moving, and has unique movement that if you play him like an "average character" you will get crushed. He would be somewhat combo heavy, and I imagine him being very nimble and gracious with a solid hint of power.

I'm very curious about your moveset concepts haha. I'd love to see them once finished. Some of my concepts that I have are kinda similar to yours actually. How I sorta envision Roy (or should I say what I'd like him to be haha):

- Glass Cannon: Rushdown fighter using the SoS's fire projectiles for zoning capabilities = good at pressuring
- Strengths: raw damage output, speed, and extreme priority for some moves
- Weaknesses: high end-lag/cooldown for various moves (Standard, Aerials, Smashes), bad defences, ****ty recovery

I would like him to be a bit combo oriented as well. Though instead of "stabbing" my concept is that his swordplay puts more emphasis on the SoS's broadsword aspect, dealing heavy, powerful two-handed swings. But graciousness is cool too!

It's a shame I'm not expecting him to be fully revamped if he gets in though lololol!



EDIT: OMG 1000th post! Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Speaking of puns...

Spoiler

This I actually find funny.

I dislike R34, but I can still get a good laugh out of stuff like this.

 

[Demna]

This I actually find funny.

I dislike R34, but I can still get a good laugh out of stuff like this.

My definition of R34: If it exists, there is porn of it.
How would you define it as R34? I'm a bit confused .

 

[KingofPhantoms]

My definition of R34: If it exists, there is porn of it.
How would you define it as R34? I'm a bit confused .

I define it the same way.

I dislike when it shows up, considering what it means.

I wasn't reffering to the joke as R34, I was comparing a mildly perverted joke to the numerous images that R34 spawned.

If I read a joke like that one, I'll laugh at it. But if I see any R34 fanart, I'm disgusted. That's what I was trying to say in my post.

 

[Demna]

I define it the same way.

I dislike when it shows up, considering what it means.

I wasn't reffering to the joke as R34, I was comparing a mildly perverted joke to the numerous images that R34 spawned.

If I read a joke like that one, I'll laugh at it. But if I see any R34 fanart, I'm disgusted. That's what I was trying to say in my post.

I see. When I read the word "R34", I only remember a specific topic we discussed... Which has melted my mind and is impossible to forget now. Anyways, if you must cut a specific character from the Brawl roster, who would it be and why?

 

[Reznor]

I see. When I read the word "R34", I only remember a specific topic we discussed... Which has melted my mind and is impossible to forget now. Anyways, if you must cut a specific character from the Brawl roster, who would it be and why?

i'd cut sonic because hes 3rd party and his fans are annoying

and I thought your avatar was a cropped image of rule 34

 

[Mr. OC]

I define it the same way.

I dislike when it shows up, considering what it means.

I wasn't reffering to the joke as R34, I was comparing a mildly perverted joke to the numerous images that R34 spawned.

If I read a joke like that one, I'll laugh at it. But if I see any R34 fanart, I'm disgusted. That's what I was trying to say in my post.

I'm sure people know the difference between laughing at sex jokes and having a fat chode grace your eyes.

I'd hope so anyway.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

i'd cut sonic because hes 3rd party and his fans are annoying

and I thought your avatar was a cropped image of rule 34

1: So, you'd want to tick them off for a good laugh?

2: Did you think Samus's lower body was colored blue?

I see. When I read the word "R34", I only remember a specific topic we discussed... Which has melted my mind and is impossible to forget now. Anyways, if you must cut a specific character from the Brawl roster, who would it be and why?

Do you mean cut them from Brawl itself, or not put them in Smash 4?

 

[Demna]

and I thought your avatar was a cropped image of rule 34

Why would you think that? It's an avatar made by a fanart avatar made by Hsking11. Just a regular drawing.

 

[Demna]

Do you mean cut them from Brawl itself, or not put them in Smash 4?

Not put in Smash 4.

 

[SoldierSunday]

I see. When I read the word "R34", I only remember a specific topic we discussed... Which has melted my mind and is impossible to forget now. Anyways, if you must cut a specific character from the Brawl roster, who would it be and why?

Metaknight, just to give M2K something to whine about

 

[Reznor]

1: So, you'd want to tick them off for a good laugh?

2: Did you think Samus's lower body was colored blue?



Do you mean cut them from Brawl itself, or not put them in Smash 4?

Why would you think that? It's an avatar made by a fanart avatar made by Hsking11. Just a regular drawing.

the art style looks like something I saw on rule34 a couple of weeks back

and yes I wanna see the sonic fans get pissed

 

[Demna]

Metaknight, just to give M2K something to whine about

Mew2king will just pick another character and create a new metagame

 

[Mr. OC]

I see. When I read the word "R34", I only remember a specific topic we discussed... Which has melted my mind and is impossible to forget now. Anyways, if you must cut a specific character from the Brawl roster, who would it be and why?

Sonic, because I think he's a ****ty character, I find his games terrible, and I think he has one of the worst fanbases.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Not put in Smash 4.

OK thanks, now that I know, I'd cut Snake, don't need to have the same 3rd party characters for every game.

If we're talking Nintendo characters, I'd choose Pokemon Trainer. As much as I love all 3 of them, I'd probably choose different Pokemon for him to use, so technically I'm only cutting his Pokemon.

 

[Demna]

the art style looks like something I saw on rule34 a couple of weeks back

and yes I wanna see the sonic fans get pissed

I assure you that it isn't. I presume you were watching R34 of Samus and tumbled upon a picture that is somewhat similar to it . If the picture is appropriate enough, please post it, I would like to see the resemblance.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm very curious about your moveset concepts haha. I'd love to see them once finished.

I finished it about 2 or 3 years ago. Roy has a lot of stabbing moves, he's nimble, he does a few thrusting attacks, and he's got his general Fire Emblem 6 attacks translated in (and as the inspiration) as his Smash Bros. attacks. Of course, to Melee Roy fans, that would be a huge change, but it would be a heck of a lot more interesting.

I mad e a moveset a long time ago, but meh, the concepts are more important. Underrated speed, quality power (specifically power where you need it), and minimal pre-lag (most of the lag is afterwards to coincide with his style in FE6), and just overall lots of fancy stabbing (related) attacks would be how Roy operates offensively.

Oh, and maybe give him Ike's neutral B as his new side B, make his up B a new leaping stab (like Marth's recovery aka Dolphin Slash or whatever meets Fox's Fire Fox), and just totally give him lots of stab, lunge, and a few "slicing" jab-esk attacks. That would be pretty unique. And of course, give him lots of aerial combos, new grab moves and whatnot, and of course, give him a much needed spike.

Some of my concepts that I have are kinda similar to yours actually. How I sorta envision Roy (or should I say what I'd like him to be haha):
- Glass Cannon: Rushdown fighter using the SoS's fire projectiles for zoning capabilities = good at pressuring
- Strengths: raw damage output, speed, and extreme priority for some moves
- Weaknesses: high end-lag/cooldown for various moves (Standard, Aerials, Smashes), bad defences, ****ty recovery

I dunno about these. I'd give him good combos, solid defense, and a better recovery. I just think he needs to be built in mind that naturally if they build him off his Sword of the Seals/Binding Blade and Awakening appearance that he would be totally different from Marth and Ike. It would kinda be like Mario and Wario with Marth and Roy where they have similar bodies (obviously Wario and Roy are stronger and KO better but are slower and not as good at recovery), but they are differentiated by their styles.

I would like him to be a bit combo oriented as well. Though instead of "stabbing" my concept is that his swordplay puts more emphasis on the SoS's broadsword aspect, dealing heavy, powerful two-handed swings. But graciousness is cool too!

I think what you are describing is two handed stabs (which he would have), two handed lunges, those weird running jab (in boxing) like two hand stabbing-like motions, and his weird almost backwards overhand punch-esk slashes. Those would all definitely be in my moveset.

EDIT: OMG 1000th post! Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo.

Congratulations Smash Lord.

 

[Reznor]

I assure you that it isn't. I presume you were watching R34 of Samus and tumbled upon a picture that is somewhat similar to it . If the picture is appropriate enough, please post it, I would like to see the resemblance.

not appropriate at all for reasons I will not say
I have this one funny starfox pic but I don't think we can post dead animals (no blood though)

 

[Moon Monkey]

Mew2king will just pick another character and create a new metagame

I hear he is planning on maining Megaman for SSB4.
I'd rather live the rest of mt life not knowing what Mega Man porn looks like.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'd rather live the rest of mt life not knowing what Mega Man porn looks like.

not appropriate at all for reasons I will not say
I have this one funny starfox pic but I don't think we can post dead animals (no blood though)

I assure you that it isn't. I presume you were watching R34 of Samus and tumbled upon a picture that is somewhat similar to it .

 

[Johnknight1]

Guys you know this conversation needs=??? SOME FREAKING JOHNKNIGHT ONE RANTS!!!!

I am freaking tired of the Dojo layout. I like the character layout, but c'mon!!!! Show us the stage layouts. We wanna know the stage names, what console they appear on, and all that jazz. That and having a bigger selection of stages would be awesome.

I hear he is planning on maining Megaman for SSB4.
I'd rather live the rest of mt life not knowing what Mega Man porn looks like.

Let us just say that it probably involves Roll and Roll'ing.

In other words, that one jailbait blonde character nobody likes, uses, or wants.

"MEGA MEGA! MEGA MAN! PRESS A TO JUMP!!!"

*slowly drifts the conversation into a better, less sexual direction*

 

[Metal Overlord]

haha Demna I love that avi of yours my G

 

[Fastblade5035]

I hear he is planning on maining Megaman for SSB4.
I'd rather live the rest of mt life not knowing what Mega Man porn looks like.

There's actually not a lot in a typical Google search... In fact, the only mildly disturbing one is small and of Megaman.EXE, and even then I don't think it counts as porn.

And yes, I googled it. My mind is immune to horrors such as this, now.

 

[Moon Monkey]

There's actually not a lot in a typical Google search... In fact, the only mildly disturbing one is small and of Megaman.EXE, and even then I don't think it counts as porn.

And yes, I googled it. My mind is immune to horrors such as this, now.

You searched it!? LOL

Spoiler

The closest thing I've seen to Mega man porn was this.

@KingofPhantoms4: Agree'd. I wonder what the last Friday of the month will bring us from the Smash site.

 

[SoldierSunday]

WIth video of megaman in smash 4 my hopes were shattered to think that he was going play like he was in SSF2...

 

[IsmaR]

Google is actually the last place I'll turn to when I search for things pertaining to that matter.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'd rather live the rest of mt life not knowing what Mega Man porn looks like.

It looks like porn. With Mega Man in it. That purple Pikmin's body is ready.

Spoiler

 

[TheWhiteBowser]

Since we are talking about rule 34 I have to say is you guys have no idea what porn is until you go into a Life Drawing class at your college because you major in Game Art.
I could go into more detail but that would be inappropriate.
And the next subject to talk about on the social thread is... Do you think there should be a third entity to unite Master Hand and Crazy Hand to make it a more epic boss battle? Perhaps a third hand? O_O