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Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

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If Nabe is scum of any sort, he has me played and I respect that. No salt if he is mafia.

I am willing to vote Red Ruy and leave Zen the hammer if there's another phase.
 

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Ryu you should respond to posts through the quick topic and have me paraphrase rather than soley posting pics.

Two-Face. He flips a coin to determine what he does, that's his thing. And there hasn't been a coin since Circus died.

Night 1, two kills. One of them seems to be Gheb, targeting X1 (Harley). The other was Raj, the Tick. There was a coin, facing tails.
Night 2, one kill. JTB, ??? flip. Coin facing tails. Circus told us at the time that JTB wasn't town.
Night 3, one kill. Gheb, Wolverine. Coin facing tails.

My theory is that it controlled their factional night kill. The image was at the start of the post, for one. We know Circus didn't have the ability to hide flips, because assuming they could kill every Night as well, the hiding would've kicked off either every Night or never. It wasn't the investigative ability of Hep; Harvey Dent embodies the heads side of Two-Face, and being a different slot, Hep probably had its own investigation.

Now, there's also been no kills since Circus died. This could be because there's no mafia left, implying an indy remains. But I don't think that's the case. I think the real reason has to do with multiple factions.

Tails is likely a positive result. Two-Face traditionally flips a coin that has heads on both sides, one side scratched out, but a picture of that in write-ups would be a flatout giveaway. The scratched side, though, would be the one that's an affirmative result.

OS doesn't use role colours randomly. I think that there were two factions. And I think they each had a kill. I think the coin determined whether or not Circus had a night kill. And I think he had a string of good luck. I think he shot X1, and then JTB, and finally Gheb. The lack of coins and the lack of kills, combined with his death, makes me think he was behind them. That would mean Gheb no-shot the whole way through, which I believe to be the case.

I think that JTB's ??? flip was actually Joker, paired with Harley. I think that Circus eradicated them, knocking out their night kill. I don't think there are any roles left with a night kill, because I really think they would've shot last Night, and certainly would've shot the Nights before that. I think we're looking for an indy, or a mafia who has no kill, which is plausible if Circus was their only killer. The only hangup is that you were jailed by Beat the night Gheb died.
I think Gheb shot all 3 nights or at least 2 of the three. He defs shot Ran N3. I guess it's possible he could have aimed for someone other than X1 N1. Whether or not he shot all nights, saying that Gheb didn't shoot either of N1 and N2 is silly.

If two mafia and a vig could shoot, I would suspect that there would at least be 2 NKs on night 2.

Let's say Gheb didn't shoot N2, why do you think there was only one kill N2 and why do you think JTB flipped ???



I think if you were mafia with a kill, you'd have killed one of Zen/Ryu and pushed through my ML. And I think if you were mafia without a kill, you'd have immediately started toDay by appealing to me, rather than to lynch me, to hope I could convince Ryu to lynch Zen. So I think if you're anything, it's indy.
Not at all. You were roleblocked last night. If Rad has the ability to kill, his best option would have been to refrain from doing so as it would out him as scum over you since you were roleblocked.

Ryu could be mafia. And the more I hear from him, the more I think it's the case. His vote went all over the place this game, because he backed down a lot. He told Zen about what I'd told him about Circus/Hep the second he asked. Because he asked. And in D3, he was so ready to lynch Zen, roleblocked him and everything. And then just gave up on it immediately. All of this feels like his scum play in FE -- pensive, not knowing what it is he should be doing.
He told me what you told him because there was no benefit of keeping it between you two and you were being scummy.

The underlined is interesting. Would like your response Ryu.
So I'd like to be lynched, and have you three weigh all of that toMorrow.
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Ryu you should respond to posts through the quick topic and have me paraphrase rather than soley posting pics.


I think Gheb shot all 3 nights or at least 2 of the three. He defs shot Ran N3. I guess it's possible he could have aimed for someone other than X1 N1. Whether or not he shot all nights, saying that Gheb didn't shoot either of N1 and N2 is silly.

If two mafia and a vig could shoot, I would suspect that there would at least be 2 NKs on night 2.

Let's say Gheb didn't shoot N2, why do you think there was only one kill N2 and why do you think JTB flipped ???




Not at all. You were roleblocked last night. If Rad has the ability to kill, his best option would have been to refrain from doing so as it would out him as scum over you since you were roleblocked.

He told me what you told him because there was no benefit of keeping it between you two and you were being scummy.

The underlined is interesting. Would like your response Ryu.

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I think Gheb shot all 3 nights or at least 2 of the three. He defs shot Ran N3. I guess it's possible he could have aimed for someone other than X1 N1. Whether or not he shot all nights, saying that Gheb didn't shoot either of N1 and N2 is silly.
It's entirely possible he shot Ran at some point, I can't confirm or deny that. What makes you think he shot Ran N3?

If two mafia and a vig could shoot, I would suspect that there would at least be 2 NKs on night 2.

Let's say Gheb didn't shoot N2, why do you think there was only one kill N2 and why do you think JTB flipped ???
JTB dying as last scum of his faction would take away his nightkill under my theory. And the ??? flip would be because of whichever scum is left. I lean towards thinking there's a maf janitor, because it's hard to see the benefit of an indy with that ability. I suppose it could also be a facet of JTB's ability in-death -- something to do with disguising his body, which could probably fit in flavour easily enough. But a two-man scumteam wouldn't be banking on one of its members dying, so I don't think that's really viable by balance.

@Mod: Does this game resolve actions via NAR?

Not at all. You were roleblocked last night. If Rad has the ability to kill, his best option would have been to refrain from doing so as it would out him as scum over you since you were roleblocked.
You're absolutely correct, I have that wrong. What you've suggested would've been the stronger option for scum with a kill.

That said, I don't think the remaining scum has a kill. Ryker didn't try very hard to have my lynch, and I'm hoping the coin thing will turn out.

He told me what you told him because there was no benefit of keeping it between you two and you were being scummy.
There was a lot of benefit to keeping it to himself. First of all, I told him so that if one of us did die, the other would have the information. Then I told the thread about it, knowing that might afect the NK in the event there was onw. I also wanted to see what Ryu did with the knowledge, since I'd know specifically that he was the only one with it. Meanwhile, I got reads on you and Beat that I liked, and was planning to lynch RF. PoE would've been very viable.
 

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I find it highly unlikely that Zen will actually listen to me tomorrow. I buy Nabe's ploy if he's scum. /shrug

Vote Red Ruy

I swear, if you self-vote Nabe, I will hate you forever.
 

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Okay.

Zen, we've lynched Nabe. No kill. We're in 3 man LyLo. What am I? Am I mafia? If not, what kind of indy am I and how has it lined up with my play? You keep saying Red Ruy can't be scum but you've yet to say how I am. Look for a case, goddammit.
 

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I seem to recall Zen making a case for you being town within the past couple Days, lol.

Ryu, post a picture that accurately describes what you know or think happens upon breaking your restriction.

Zen, maybe. If that's the case, maybe JTB was Circus' "missing" mate, and we're still looking for Joker. Joker janitor doesn't seem to fit, though.
 

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I seem to recall Zen making a case for you being town within the past couple Days, lol.

Ryu, post a picture that accurately describes what you know or think happens upon breaking your restriction.

Zen, maybe. If that's the case, maybe JTB was Circus' "missing" mate, and we're still looking for Joker. Joker janitor doesn't seem to fit, though.

 

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Ryu, I'd like you to break your restriction.

We know you're a day-RB, that's proven. But your posting restriction circularly legitimizes your character claim. Furthermore, Zen's refusal to ever consider you as an option means that Ryker and I have no choice and no power to lynch you if we thought it was the right move. You getting a mod vote would solve that disparity.

To ensure you're not in hammering range, Ryker can unvote.
If you have objections to any of this, let me know in the QT.
 

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There's no need to prove the restriction. The character claim and roleblock ability go with it.

Blackbolt trained himelf not to talk because when he does he produces this power blast thing. It's so powerful that it can even stun someone/take away their powers. Or at least it did once to like his brother or something.

So it makes sense that when Ryu speaks, he stuns the person. I doubt Ryu would have come up with that claim.
 

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Ryu, I'd like you to break your restriction.

We know you're a day-RB, that's proven. But your posting restriction circularly legitimizes your character claim. Furthermore, Zen's refusal to ever consider you as an option means that Ryker and I have no choice and no power to lynch you if we thought it was the right move. You getting a mod vote would solve that disparity.

To ensure you're not in hammering range, Ryker can unvote.
If you have objections to any of this, let me know in the QT.
 

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Okay.

Zen, we've lynched Nabe. No kill. We're in 3 man LyLo. What am I? Am I mafia? If not, what kind of indy am I and how has it lined up with my play? You keep saying Red Ruy can't be scum but you've yet to say how I am. Look for a case, goddammit.
Honestly there's no much on you. I can't really see an indy pushing so hard like you did D2 on Circus, unless maybe you're bullet proof. There were a few times were it seemed like you would be the NK because of your pushes and your claim which an indy would want to avoid. So if you're indy then you are bulletproof. As I said previously, I don't think you were scumbuddies with Circus. You're interaction with X1 d1 also points to you two not being scumbuddies. Though this is possible. There seemed to be a point d1 where you completely reversed your views which I had found odd. Before that point, X1 wasn't much of a concern and I was your top scum pick, but during the middle of the day that switched. So there is room for the possibility of you bussing X1, though I think it not likely. Also this would be under the scenario of two factions because I'm for sure that you're not buds with Circus. As I said, Nabe is scummier than you, but there is still room for you to be scum. There's not a lot on you, but there isn't really anything on Ryu either. It bothers me that you don't want to lynch Nabe because I don't want to lynch Ryu. You haven't presented anything on Ryu and you have a town read on me so I don't understand why you are so concerned with Nabe flipping town.

You guys are trying to keep the Ryu option open (which at this point the last scum HAS to do in order to have some chance at winning) but neither of you have presented much pointing to him being scum. The only thing that has been said against him is the little bit at the end of Nabe's 2479. If you think he should be considered as the last scum, then present something on him.

@Nabe: Whenever you're ready. As I said, I will look at Ryu with a blank slate toMorrow. This is a promise.
 

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There's no need to prove the restriction. The character claim and roleblock ability go with it.

Blackbolt trained himelf not to talk because when he does he produces this power blast thing. It's so powerful that it can even stun someone/take away their powers. Or at least it did once to like his brother or something.

So it makes sense that when Ryu speaks, he stuns the person. I doubt Ryu would have come up with that claim.
Yes, the claim plausibly goes with his ability. That doesn't matter in the slightest.

ToMorrow will be the last Day. How will we "look into it toMorrow"? If he gets a mod vote, that's the end of the game.

It doesn't matter anyway. Ryu refuses to break it, saying it could potentially modkill him. What I don't understand is what you're trying to do by placating me, when we both know you've already made your mind up.

What are the votes at right now? What is the quickest way this Day can end?
 

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Yes, the claim plausibly goes with his ability. That doesn't matter in the slightest.
Yes it does.

The purpose for him breaking the restriction: to prove that he has the restricion.

The reason why his restriction could be fake: he could have made it up

Clearly it is not made up. There's no way he would have thought all that out and pretended to have the restriction. Therefore there is no longer a purpose for him breaking the restriction.

What I don't understand is what you're trying to do by placating me, when we both know you've already made your mind up.
The reason you haven't voted Rad yet is because you think Ryu should be considered as scum. The end of your coin post has has given me enough to take want to take care tomorrow rather than simply conclude you as scum.
What are the votes at right now? What is the quickest way this Day can end?
???
Zen, do you think scum currently has a night kill? Why or why not?
Dunno.
 

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Zen, why the hell don't we solve it toDay? I want to lynch Ruy after he roleblocks Nabe then lynch Nabe if we're wrong.
 

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Uh no that would be dumb because you two are scummier than Ryu. That means tomorrow I'd have to choose between you two. Much riskier than choosing between you two today.
 

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You guys are trying to keep the Ryu option open (which at this point the last scum HAS to do in order to have some chance at winning) but neither of you have presented much pointing to him being scum. The only thing that has been said against him is the little bit at the end of Nabe's 2479. If you think he should be considered as the last scum, then present something on him.
And this Rad.

Rad why would you want to lynch Ryu before Nabe if you think Nabe is scummier???
 

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How about he's a roleblocker, he has an unproven posting restriction, and my play doesn't line up with any scum role you can mention?

I would want to lynch Ruy before Nabe because he can still use his day action to affect Nabe should I be wrong.
 
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