Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

[Radical Fiction]

I was trying to make you lynch Circus, of course I did.

 

[Xivii]

Actually I think we should lynch Ran. And Circus Laso Hep instead. Since we don't know if Circus' laso will affect Ran. And Ran can be scum while having the negate ability.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That would be a pretty strong scumteam if he were.

The only thing I don't like about Ran's claim is that it's "town hero" which is already a role that isn't that role. Not a big deal though.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh, I think Ran would be the one to flip town if either of them did which would be a sour spot if there are three scum left. Lasso Nabe and we can get Ran by process of elimination. Hell, Red Ruy could target him and see what happened and to block him because he's probably scum.

 

[Xivii]

Well Rad, another thing that we have to remember is that if Circus is town then that means JTB was indeed scum...

and yeah Nabe I agree.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Circus said that JTB was scum?

 

[Radical Fiction]

JTB I have marked down as nonkilling indy. I'm fairly sure that Gheb shot Ran. No way he no shoots in that situation.

 

[Xivii]

Yes Nabe.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Huh. I don't remember that at all.
He did it the same Night that JTB flipped (???) ?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't see how there could be three scum left. Two have flipped, and JTB is some kind of scum according to Circus. That's a lot of scum if so, too much.

 

[Radical Fiction]

One and a maybe has flipped. I don't count anything out.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ran (Superman, Town Hero)
Zen (Deadpool, Town Chatterbox)
Red Ryu (Black Bolt, Town Day-Roleblocker)
RF (Hellboy, Town Universal Blackup)
Circus (Wonder Woman,Town Lie Detector)
Nabe (Batman, Town Playboy)
Hep (Professor Xavier, Town Identifier)
Beat (Boba Fett, Town Jailer)
Dark Horse (Spiderman, Evasive Townie / Venom-Spiderman, Hidden Mafia Seeker)
X1-12 (Harley, Mafia Troublemaker)
Rajam (The Tick, Town Distraction)
GLG (Colossus, Town Bodyguard)
JTB (????, ????) Scum
KevinM (Batman, Town Tinkerer)
Gheb (Wolverine, Town Vigilante)

The list, I guess. I was going to do my usual balancing act but I don't have any idea how to start. OS made this big and swingy.

Investigatives are Circus, Ryu, me, and Hep. Zen as well, mason counts as investigative. Protections are GLG, Beat, Raj kind of. Ran kind of. Two NKs, one of them town.

I could do TNS, but OS seems to be sticking to tricks for the scum side this game. The claimed roles are all T, aside from Hero, Playboy and Jailer which are N. Harley is S obviously but that tells me nothing.

This was useless.

 

[Xivii]

Ok so Ryu roleblocks Ran
We lynch Hep.

She flips scum:

Circus lie detects Beat
Beat jails Radfic

She flips town:

Circus lie detects Beat
Beat jails Radfic

 

[Radical Fiction]

I'd rather lie detect Nabe ten times over. Have you not seen the sheer NUMBER of holes in his claim?

 

[Radical Fiction]

By the way. We're only likely to get one more investigate off. If I get protected the next night, then I can't investigate, but if I don't, then I die.

I would much prefer to have Nabe cleared/damned than to have BS cleared when, even if he is the last scum, he has to play by our rules.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm fine with being lie detected.

 

[Xivii]

Reading through D1 again.

Beat was playing so town atthe beginning. Going to stick with him being town. Hep scum flip will confirm that.

Also noticed Nabe's early crumbs. Seems town to me. I don't think that he would be given his role as scum either. Town.

Rad was being such a dumb ***. Defends X1 against my case. But I don't think he would take such a defensive stance if they were buddies plus his later play is town so town.

Circus is scummy as scumm scumm. omg man this guy idk man.

Hep ignores my case on X1 (but then again, so does glg). Says she doesn't think it's scummy (but then again no one did).

Beat makes it clear that he thought X1 was scum before I voted him and makes it out for that to be known. Suspicious but w/e it's not going to change anything.

All in All:

Circus, Hep, Ran

 

[Xivii]

What do you guys think about this option since Circus is still so dang scummy:

Ryu roleblocks Ran. Beat roleblocks Circus. If there is no kill we can know that there is scum between Circus and Ran, assuming Hep flips scum.

(Yes scum can also choose to withold their NK, but that doesn't really change anything)

Just a though.

 

[Xivii]

t *

 

[Circus]

I have a hard time believing Hep is scum, based on set up. RadFic made a decently compelling point about mafia flavor cop, but Hep's new to forum mafia. I could believe that she got excited about a perceived guilty read and didn't consider trying to wait to catch Beat in a lie first.

Plus, look at the break down: Hep and I are pretty much the only two real investigative roles in this game, and we have no cop. This closely mirrors the two protective roles we have in this game (three if we believe Beat), with no doctor.

I refuse to believe I'm the only proper investigative role on town's side. My ability is limited (can only check posts made the previous Day) and can be relatively ambiguous if no one cooperates with me and makes blatant "I'm town" posts (hi, Ryker). That, against as much scum as we've already seen in this game? Don't believe it. Heptown is necessary for balance, in my opinion.

Am down for lynching Nabe or even Ran toDay since we apparently can't even check his role. I don't have trouble believing Nabe is Batman, but he very well may be a scum-Batman. His one-shot investigation was false and he conveniently used his one-shot roleblock on a character with no active abilities.

Still don't consider Beat/RadFic to be an impossibility. Both of their claims are super shoddy and Beat's role is only confirmed if we trust Rad himself. Which I don't, really.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I assume you want me to keep going.

I negate all night actions. I can't get night killed, nor can I get inspected or anything like that.

Ok it's time for me to make my post of the day.

Here is the scoop of what I got from this, at the very least Zen + Rad is impossible, Rad was jailed and Zen was roleblocked by me, therefore them being scum together is 100% fact to be impossible.

Now for other things,

Red Ryu - I am town, day role-blocker as I said before.

Zεη - Shaky play, but not really something that make me go "!" anymore since it seems to be his style. Town.

Nabe - Town, I was mod confirmed he was Batman, I not gonna doubt his claim so much since I could beleive TV Batman having LOL moments with faulty cops and etc.

Circus - Null until Hep flips, I doubt two cop roles like this.

Hep - I didn't like him going out of order either when we could have nailed Beatstick for lying if he did later since I have been unsure of him for mot of this game. I say lynch for today seeing as he is the most anti town with his day play today and what he did earlier.

Ran - Null, his claim can be proven in a way, but not definitive unless we go about it from different angles. It is worth checking out and I think he could be scum with a safe claim, even if it is highly unlikely.

Radical Fiction - Null, I dunno where to go with this, fishy once and a while then town the next for me, it;s hard for me to say he is scum, but his actions with other plays still don;t make me cross him off the scum list.

Beat - leaning scum, I blocked him days 1 & 2 because I had a bad feeling about him. I didn't day 3 due to Zen saying he was gonna try and kill me and Nabe out of the blue and it pissed me off he kept flip flopping, lol. Jailer and his name isn't helping either.

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I say do the plan and I'll role-block Ranmaru, and I think I die tonight seeing if JTB was scum, my role can out scum if they are the only player alive. We'll see though.

Let's use this day a bit more before a lynch, we got time.

 

[Xivii]

We need to get Hep's thoughts and I'd like Ranmaru to get answers about his role.

 

[Radical Fiction]

So yeah how scummy is Clown. Would like ta see him go dooooooooown.

Anyway I haven't read the last 20 pages (better hope this is Swiss posting, because he hasn't either)

Wait, what?

 

[Circus]

Oh, look, Swiss is trolling. I wonder where I've seen that before....

 

[HepAlien]

We need to get Hep's thoughts and I'd like Ranmaru to get answers about his role.

not sure specifically what thoughts you're looking for. i would still like to lynch BeatStick. Or possibly Ranmaru, that claim sounds awfully convenient. "i'm superman and i can't be killed or investigated so don't even bother looking at me it's a waste of time."

here's what I KNOW:
Circus is Wonder Woman
Beat Stick is Boba Fett

Based on what I KNOW, here's what I THINK:
Circus is town
Zen is town by proxy of Circus being town
Red Ryu is town by proxy of Zen being town (therefor not lying about his ability)
BeatStick is not town
Radical Fiction is not town by proxy of BeatStick lying about his ability

Beat seems like a good choice for lynch to me. if he is mafia, then that incriminates Radical Fiction. if he is town, then we can still look at Ranmaru and Nabe. and between me and Circus, at least one of us should be able come back tomorrow with information.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Urgh.

I kind of believe Hep. A name cop is practically a cop in a game of superheroes and villains, but leaves ambiguity in the case of an indy whose character doesn't quite look evil. Harley flip suggests that scum are obvious. And all of the claimed roles in this game seem to be not-quite-there, like a name cop. Lie detector has to coerce people into making the right posts. Jailer, protection and blocking at the same time. Uncommon and weird roles that are compromises.

But. I don't think I'm down for a Beat lynch. He could easily get killed toNight if he's town, and he's our only claimed protective role. If he's scum, he's claimed and he's directable. And is your vote even on him? You seem very opportunistic and it looks a lot like you're just trying to twist out of a bad situation.

Who are your scumreads, outside of setup speculation?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Urgh.

I kind of believe Hep. A name cop is practically a cop in a game of superheroes and villains, but leaves ambiguity in the case of an indy whose character doesn't quite look evil. Harley flip suggests that scum are obvious. And all of the claimed roles in this game seem to be not-quite-there, like a name cop. Lie detector has to coerce people into making the right posts. Jailer, protection and blocking at the same time. Uncommon and weird roles that are compromises.

But. I don't think I'm down for a Beat lynch. He could easily get killed toNight if he's town, and he's our only claimed protective role. If he's scum, he's claimed and he's directable. And is your vote even on him? You seem very opportunistic and it looks a lot like you're just trying to twist out of a bad situation.

Who are your scumreads, outside of setup speculation?

 

[Circus]

You seem very opportunistic and it looks a lot like you're just trying to twist out of a bad situation.

Says the guy who literally ended up being the second to last vote on every (mis)lynch we've made all game.

The more I think about it, the less I like Ran's claim. And I didn't like it much to begin with. Even if he's telling the truth (I have my doubts), how likely is it that being immune to investigations is a pro-town role?

How's an X1/Nabe/Ran scumteam looking to everyone else? 'Cause I'm liking it right now. Beat can live toDay if we take out Nabe or Ran instead. Preferably Ran, actually, since I might not even be able to lasso him.

Vote: Ranmaru

 

[Radical Fiction]

Says the guy who literally ended up being the second to last vote on every (mis)lynch we've made all game.

The more I think about it, the less I like Ran's claim. And I didn't like it much to begin with. Even if he's telling the truth (I have my doubts), how likely is it that being immune to investigations is a pro-town role?

How's an X1/Nabe/Ran scumteam looking to everyone else? 'Cause I'm liking it right now. Beat can live toDay if we take out Nabe or Ran instead. Preferably Ran, actually, since I might not even be able to lasso him.

Vote: Ranmaru

It looks worse than your town play, which is saying something. Hep/Nabe or Hep/Ran. Hep is the definite and needs to go. You need to target either Nabe or Ran, both of which need to make an "I'm town post." Actually you need to target Nabe in the case of Ran scum with an untargetable ability. Red Ruy should roleblock Nabe and Beat should jail me.

@mod - Is mafia NKill compulsive.

If it's not, then we can simply no lynch them into submission.

 

[Beat!]

Hep, you didn't explain why you rushed the claim order instead of trying to catch me in a lie.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod - Is mafia NKill compulsive.

I'm not giving out private information.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It looks worse than your town play, which is saying something. Hep/Nabe or Hep/Ran. Hep is the definite and needs to go. You need to target either Nabe or Ran, both of which need to make an "I'm town post." Actually you need to target Nabe in the case of Ran scum with an untargetable ability. Red Ruy should roleblock Nabe and Beat should jail me.

@mod - Is mafia NKill compulsive.

If it's not, then we can simply no lynch them into submission.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12630768&postcount=2021

 

[Circus]

It looks worse than your town play, which is saying something. Hep/Nabe or Hep/Ran. Hep is the definite and needs to go. You need to target either Nabe or Ran, both of which need to make an "I'm town post." Actually you need to target Nabe in the case of Ran scum with an untargetable ability. Red Ruy should roleblock Nabe and Beat should jail me.

@mod - Is mafia NKill compulsive.

If it's not, then we can simply no lynch them into submission.

Stop trying to lynch the cop. You make me want to lynch you so bad. If you're really that paranoid about Hep, I can lasso her. But we're not lynching what is arguably our most useful investigative role toDay just because she jumped the claim order. I know people poo-poo on flavor hunting or whatever, but ignoring concrete facts and general rules about mechanics and game balance for reads and hunches doesn't make any sense to me. Hep as scum throws this game way in scum's favor. I would rather get rid of someone like Ran or Nabe toDay so that we don't have to worry about the wifom involved with them anymore. Particularly, Ran in endgame scares the hell out of me.

With me and Hep both alive and claimed, we have the chance to essentially direct two investigations toNight. Scum could kill one of us, but one of us will definitely be alive on D5 to report on something. This might be our only chance to take advantage of this. We're not throwing that away by lynching what is essentially our cop.

Ran, Nabe, Beat or RadFic toDay. Any of them will do. All of those players should make an "I'm town" post, as far as I'm concerned. RadFic, you already flat-out refused to do this before; don't do that again or I'm going to tunnel you hardcore for the rest of this game, I swear.

 

[Beat!]

I'm town.

10chars

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Not lynching Ran. Let's compromise.

Vote: Circus

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Stop trying to lynch the cop. You make me want to lynch you so bad. If you're really that paranoid about Hep, I can lasso her. But we're not lynching what is arguably our most useful investigative role toDay just because she jumped the claim order. I know people poo-poo on flavor hunting or whatever, but ignoring concrete facts and general rules about mechanics and game balance for reads and hunches doesn't make any sense to me. Hep as scum throws this game way in scum's favor. I would rather get rid of someone like Ran or Nabe toDay so that we don't have to worry about the wifom involved with them anymore. Particularly, Ran in endgame scares the hell out of me.

With me and Hep both alive and claimed, we have the chance to essentially direct two investigations toNight. Scum could kill one of us, but one of us will definitely be alive on D5 to report on something. This might be our only chance to take advantage of this. We're not throwing that away by lynching what is essentially our cop.

Ran, Nabe, Beat or RadFic toDay. Any of them will do. All of those players should make an "I'm town" post, as far as I'm concerned. RadFic, you already flat-out refused to do this before; don't do that again or I'm going to tunnel you hardcore for the rest of this game, I swear.

Do it .

 

[HepAlien]

Hep, you didn't explain why you rushed the claim order instead of trying to catch me in a lie.

i didn't consider it a big deal at the time. trying to catch you lying didn't really occur to me. i work two jobs and i go to school full time--i don't have a ton of free time. and when i do, i sometimes like to spend it doing something other than playing mafia online. at the time of my claim, i happened to be online and not busy so i just decided to do it then because it was easy. it wasn't supposed to be some calculated trap.

Nabe, why is Ranmaru town?

 

[ranmaru]

I'm cool with Hep/Circus.

Vote: Circus

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ran claimed Superman. That's hardly fakeclaim worthy.

 

[Radical Fiction]

@Nabe - What the hell does that mean?
@Ran - Move your vote, he isn't going to get lynched.
@Hep - Please actually explain why Beat is scum, flavor analysis aside.