Sunrise Up Again! Isaac for Smash Ultimate DLC

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Pardon my ignorance here, but what is Golden Sunday supposed to be?
Basically it's a day where fans of GS around the world share their experience with the series, share fanart, share music, etc in order to keep discussion flowing
 
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Pardon my ignorance here, but what is Golden Sunday supposed to be?
As NessAtc. NessAtc. here said, it’s also to celebrate the anniversary of one of the Golden Sun games. This will be our 3rd event more focused on Dark Dawn but anything Golden Sun is good.

 
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5 days to go for #GoldenSunday!
Pardon my ignorance here, but what is Golden Sunday supposed to be?
Basically Golden Sunday is a fan event where we celebrate the series through whatever means possible whether fanart or simply sharing your memories from the game set on a selected date that coincides with an anniversary of a Golden Sun game and takes place on a Sunday. It all started after Isaac was revealed as an assist trophy and was decided as a way to lighten fans up and push forward towards our goal of getting Nintendo to revive the series. We even had the official Discord Twitter chiming in and got an article by Nintendo Life. We've had them so far in November and April so far and on the 27th we are having the third one. So in summary it's a way to generate more vocal demand from fans and get the community more active with more fan created content and discussion
 
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Currently editing my video for Golden Sunday.

Pro tip to y'all kids out there making life decisions to become famous Youtubers: video editing sucks. Develop a personality and/or write your own content then pay someone to edit your shiz for you.

I had another thought related to leaks recently. This is likely just me grasping at straws to console myself while we're not in the spotlight, though. With the fighters pass being all third-party characters so far and the latest news saying a bajillion Touhou songs could come to Smash, I'm reminded of the principle that the chance of a secret leaking is proportional to the square of the number of people who know about it.

That is to say, afaik, no one directly working on Smash Bros in Nintendo/Bandai Japan has ever leaked anything. When you need to translate and localize stuff, then many more people are brought in and they can talk in a Discord DM or mess up and post Monster Dance or the SNK trademark a day early. But when you need to engage a third-party for permissions, monetary deals, art assets, music, ect, it becomes exponentially easier for information to get out. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep something hidden like the music of Touhou, a largely fan-created series with a ton of hands in the cookie jar.

Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

The point is, even if it is indeed in the works, there won't be any real leaks featuring Golden Sun or other internal characters until NOA or NOE get their hands on something, likely very shortly before it is announced to the world. Just something to think about as we wade through third-party swamp.
 
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Currently editing my video for Golden Sunday.

Pro tip to y'all kids out there making life decisions to become famous Youtubers: video editing sucks. Develop a personality and/or write your own content then pay someone to edit your shiz for you.

I had another thought related to leaks recently. This is likely just me grasping at straws to console myself while we're not in the spotlight, though. With the fighters pass being all third-party characters so far and the latest news saying a bajillion Touhou songs could come to Smash, I'm reminded of the principle that the chance of a secret leaking is proportional to the square of the number of people who know about it.

That is to say, afaik, no one directly working on Smash Bros in Nintendo/Bandai Japan has ever leaked anything. When you need to translate and localize stuff, then many more people are brought in and they can talk in a Discord DM or mess up and post Monster Dance or the SNK trademark a day early. But when you need to engage a third-party for permissions, monetary deals, art assets, music, ect, it becomes exponentially easier for information to get out. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep something hidden like the music of Touhou, a largely fan-created series with a ton of hands in the cookie jar.

Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

The point is, even if it is indeed in the works, there won't be any real leaks featuring Golden Sun or other internal characters until NOA or NOE get their hands on something, likely very shortly before it is announced to the world. Just something to think about as we wade through third-party swamp.
I have thought this to an extent. There is also the possibility that Isaac is actually being mentioned, but the leakers are dissing it as leak bait because “He already an AT”. Of course, that’s mostly wishful thinking on my part.

Looks like (according to follower count) Isaac places at #5. Still pretty good all things considered!
 
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The interesting thing about the DLC roster so far is that, compared to the DLC roster for Smash 4, it definitely comes across as more "hardcore" oriented. What I mean is, whereas Smash 4 had :4mewtwo::4ryu::4cloud:, the biggest DLC character for Ultimate would be :ulthero:, mainly due to how big Dragon Quest is in Japan. Overall, there was more emphasis on "big characters" for Smash 4 (or at least it appears so until :4corrin: was confirmed) compared to Ultimate. Just something interesting I noted.

Even though I’ve never been the biggest fan of Isaac, you guys have wanted him for a really long time, Isaac has my full support
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Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.
This is why I believe the Sans costume didn't get leaked: Because only one person had to be negotiated with.
 
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Currently editing my video for Golden Sunday.

Pro tip to y'all kids out there making life decisions to become famous Youtubers: video editing sucks. Develop a personality and/or write your own content then pay someone to edit your shiz for you.

I had another thought related to leaks recently. This is likely just me grasping at straws to console myself while we're not in the spotlight, though. With the fighters pass being all third-party characters so far and the latest news saying a bajillion Touhou songs could come to Smash, I'm reminded of the principle that the chance of a secret leaking is proportional to the square of the number of people who know about it.

That is to say, afaik, no one directly working on Smash Bros in Nintendo/Bandai Japan has ever leaked anything. When you need to translate and localize stuff, then many more people are brought in and they can talk in a Discord DM or mess up and post Monster Dance or the SNK trademark a day early. But when you need to engage a third-party for permissions, monetary deals, art assets, music, ect, it becomes exponentially easier for information to get out. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep something hidden like the music of Touhou, a largely fan-created series with a ton of hands in the cookie jar.

Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

The point is, even if it is indeed in the works, there won't be any real leaks featuring Golden Sun or other internal characters until NOA or NOE get their hands on something, likely very shortly before it is announced to the world. Just something to think about as we wade through third-party swamp.
I think people were thinking about this when K. Rool was revealed without being leaked. First-party characters don't have other companies to deal with/potential leak from. Isaac would benefit from this theory as well (as long as you don't like/follow leaks) since he'd be a complete surprise.
 

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I think people were thinking about this when K. Rool was revealed without being leaked. First-party characters don't have other companies to deal with/potential leak from. Isaac would benefit from this theory as well (as long as you don't like/follow leaks) since he'd be a complete surprise.
Considering how none of the insiders seem to agree/be sure of who #5 even is at the moment, I wouldn't call it unlikely for Isaac to just randomly be it
 
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All of the uncertainty about #5 right now is pretty exciting. Normally it seems like the leakers are all pretty in agreement about what the general plan for the next fighters are but there are a lot of contradictory things right now and leaks being disproven. Anything could really happen, which is pretty good to see again. I wouldn't entirely rule out Isaac of course, but I'm thinking he's more possible later on. It's hard to be certain, though.
 

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All of the uncertainty about #5 right now is pretty exciting. Normally it seems like the leakers are all pretty in agreement about what the general plan for the next fighters are but there are a lot of contradictory things right now and leaks being disproven. Anything could really happen, which is pretty good to see again. I wouldn't entirely rule out Isaac of course, but I'm thinking he's more possible later on. It's hard to be certain, though.
It is exciting! I seem to recall the situation being pretty similar for #4 prior to the SNK slip-up on Nintendo's site - I'm pretty sure that opinions were fairly split between characters that weren't Terry until that happened, and then most notable leakers said "So it probably is Terry after all, who we'd heard a bit about". So it's possible that something similar could happen here as we approach November and Terry's release! Some notable piece of info comes out, and then suddenly leakers become confident as to who #5 is. Maybe it'll end up being someone who isn't really on people's radars at the moment, like last time!

I agree with you that Isaac is most likely a post-Pass character, though - I think they'll probably finish the Pass with another third-party character, and then the characters after the pass will be a mix of first-party and third-party characters.
 
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It is exciting! I seem to recall the situation being pretty similar for #4 prior to the SNK slip-up on Nintendo's site - I'm pretty sure that opinions were fairly split between characters that weren't Terry until that happened, and then most notable leakers said "So it probably is Terry after all, who we'd heard a bit about". So it's possible that something similar could happen here as we approach November and Terry's release! Some notable piece of info comes out, and then suddenly leakers become confident as to who #5 is. Maybe it'll end up being someone who isn't really on people's radars at the moment, like last time!

I agree with you that Isaac is most likely a post-Pass character, though - I think they'll probably finish the Pass with another third-party character, and then the characters after the pass will be a mix of first-party and third-party characters.
Love seeing more and more people having hope again for our Golden Boy again. The more we show demand for him, the better!
 
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Now I can’t unsee this! Had to do my own!


Looks like Gold Ridley will be my color choice from now on. Lol
 
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#GoldenSunday is in just two more days
Also interestingly enough Hiroyuki Takahashi mentioned something similar to the concept of the Switch back in 2007. Not that it means anything for today but it's very interesting
 
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The interesting thing about the DLC roster so far is that, compared to the DLC roster for Smash 4, it definitely comes across as more "hardcore" oriented. What I mean is, whereas Smash 4 had :4mewtwo::4ryu::4cloud:, the biggest DLC character for Ultimate would be :ulthero:, mainly due to how big Dragon Quest is in Japan. Overall, there was more emphasis on "big characters" for Smash 4 (or at least it appears so until :4corrin: was confirmed) compared to Ultimate. Just something interesting I noted.



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I have the feeling Banjo was definitely the biggest DLC character right now. His popularity was huge in all the regions and he only made within because of said popularity.
 

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I went to check, the trademark isn't open to public opposition anymore. It's now sued and active, like all the others.
Do with that information what you want.
Unfortunately, so are the ones for Rhythm Heaven, Wrecking Crew and Mario Sluggers that it was filed alongside. As their older TMs have lapsed, it seems clear that Nintendo was just slimming down the categories that it held the TM on. I guess there's going to be no more Rhythm Heaven stationary, because as of July 24, 2019, they sure don't have a TM on it anymore. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume you'd do that to make it more defensible for the categories you do hold (09 - everything related to being a video game). But then again, all new Nintendo single-player Switch games have gotten the 09 and not much else.

I had thought that we might be more lucky than them as the renewal of GS trademark wasn't needed near as quick as for those three. The TLA trademark expires on Christmas this year, so I figured it was probably more likely for a new game than simply renewing that TM with fewer categories. It absolutely still may mean this, to be honest. F-Zero has a TM like this from 2018, likely for some canceled/delayed/unannounced game.

It's pretty neutral, all things considered. Could be something, could be nothing. As is, I think the most telling thing about the Golden Sun TM is the time period which it was filed. That summer was just the right mix of Golden Sun-related hype for Smash and Camelot being available after Mario Tennis.
 
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Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?
There would probably be a handful of complaints, but every single character has someone who isn't a fan of them and complains about them when they're first revealed. Isaac's known as one of the most popular requests, so I feel like there would be relatively few complaints overall!

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Also, something I noticed earlier today - there's been at least one Nintendo Direct of some kind (be it general or game-specific) every November since 2012! This doesn't have to be true this time, since Nintendo doesn't always follow patterns... but it's fun to keep in mind! With Terry coming up and more DLC on the horizon, maybe we'll get another Smash Direct like last November. ;)
 
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Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?
The moaning will instead be "Oh great an irrelevant AT instead of an all-third-party DLC lineup"
 

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Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?
people will always find a reason to complain about something
 
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The wait is finally over, #GoldenSunday begins now! The Japanese fans have already started celebrating so check some of their stuff out, I already retweeted some of them
 
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