Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

NessAtc. · Oct 21, 2019

DMurr said:
Pardon my ignorance here, but what is Golden Sunday supposed to be?

Basically it's a day where fans of GS around the world share their experience with the series, share fanart, share music, etc in order to keep discussion flowing

SonicLink125 · Oct 21, 2019

DMurr said:
Pardon my ignorance here, but what is Golden Sunday supposed to be?

As

NessAtc. here said, it’s also to celebrate the anniversary of one of the Golden Sun games. This will be our 3rd event more focused on Dark Dawn but anything Golden Sun is good.

[COUNTDOWN TO GOLDEN SUNDAY]
(6 Days Remain)

Sakurai IRL pic.twitter.com/OkjxGRwx2e
— Golden Sun Shitposts (@GS_Shitposts) October 21, 2019

Isaac: Venus Adept · Oct 21, 2019

5 days to go for #GoldenSunday!

5 days to go for #GoldenSunday! We're getting warmer pic.twitter.com/YArKmyWvBY
— Isaac's Allied Adepts ☀️ #GoldenSunday (@IsaacAdepts) October 22, 2019

DMurr said:
Pardon my ignorance here, but what is Golden Sunday supposed to be?

Basically Golden Sunday is a fan event where we celebrate the series through whatever means possible whether fanart or simply sharing your memories from the game set on a selected date that coincides with an anniversary of a Golden Sun game and takes place on a Sunday. It all started after Isaac was revealed as an assist trophy and was decided as a way to lighten fans up and push forward towards our goal of getting Nintendo to revive the series. We even had the official Discord Twitter chiming in and got an article by Nintendo Life. We've had them so far in November and April so far and on the 27th we are having the third one. So in summary it's a way to generate more vocal demand from fans and get the community more active with more fan created content and discussion

clearandsweet · Oct 21, 2019

Currently editing my video for Golden Sunday.

Pro tip to y'all kids out there making life decisions to become famous Youtubers: video editing sucks. Develop a personality and/or write your own content then pay someone to edit your shiz for you.

I had another thought related to leaks recently. This is likely just me grasping at straws to console myself while we're not in the spotlight, though. With the fighters pass being all third-party characters so far and the latest news saying a bajillion Touhou songs could come to Smash, I'm reminded of the principle that the chance of a secret leaking is proportional to the square of the number of people who know about it.

That is to say, afaik, no one directly working on Smash Bros in Nintendo/Bandai Japan has ever leaked anything. When you need to translate and localize stuff, then many more people are brought in and they can talk in a Discord DM or mess up and post Monster Dance or the SNK trademark a day early. But when you need to engage a third-party for permissions, monetary deals, art assets, music, ect, it becomes exponentially easier for information to get out. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep something hidden like the music of Touhou, a largely fan-created series with a ton of hands in the cookie jar.

Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

The point is, even if it is indeed in the works, there won't be any real leaks featuring Golden Sun or other internal characters until NOA or NOE get their hands on something, likely very shortly before it is announced to the world. Just something to think about as we wade through third-party swamp.

Deleted member · Oct 21, 2019

All the best for Golden Sunday. Keep the memory of Golden Sun alive.

And keep supporting Isaac for Smash!

SonicLink125 · Oct 22, 2019

clearandsweet said:
Currently editing my video for Golden Sunday.

Pro tip to y'all kids out there making life decisions to become famous Youtubers: video editing sucks. Develop a personality and/or write your own content then pay someone to edit your shiz for you.

I had another thought related to leaks recently. This is likely just me grasping at straws to console myself while we're not in the spotlight, though. With the fighters pass being all third-party characters so far and the latest news saying a bajillion Touhou songs could come to Smash, I'm reminded of the principle that the chance of a secret leaking is proportional to the square of the number of people who know about it.

That is to say, afaik, no one directly working on Smash Bros in Nintendo/Bandai Japan has ever leaked anything. When you need to translate and localize stuff, then many more people are brought in and they can talk in a Discord DM or mess up and post Monster Dance or the SNK trademark a day early. But when you need to engage a third-party for permissions, monetary deals, art assets, music, ect, it becomes exponentially easier for information to get out. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep something hidden like the music of Touhou, a largely fan-created series with a ton of hands in the cookie jar.

Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

The point is, even if it is indeed in the works, there won't be any real leaks featuring Golden Sun or other internal characters until NOA or NOE get their hands on something, likely very shortly before it is announced to the world. Just something to think about as we wade through third-party swamp.

I have thought this to an extent. There is also the possibility that Isaac is actually being mentioned, but the leakers are dissing it as leak bait because “He already an AT”. Of course, that’s mostly wishful thinking on my part.

I am horrible at making these correctly pic.twitter.com/cjVGXxueJJ
— ⛩️Reimu For Smash⛩️ (@ReimuForSmash) October 22, 2019

Looks like (according to follower count) Isaac places at #5. Still pretty good all things considered!

Kalaam · Oct 22, 2019

As always, Isaac is top 5 while everything else constantly move around.

True Blue Warrior · Oct 22, 2019

The interesting thing about the DLC roster so far is that, compared to the DLC roster for Smash 4, it definitely comes across as more "hardcore" oriented. What I mean is, whereas Smash 4 had

, the biggest DLC character for Ultimate would be

, mainly due to how big Dragon Quest is in Japan. Overall, there was more emphasis on "big characters" for Smash 4 (or at least it appears so until

was confirmed) compared to Ultimate. Just something interesting I noted.

Plank08 said:
Even though I’ve never been the biggest fan of Isaac, you guys have wanted him for a really long time, Isaac has my full support

I'm adding you.

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Guynamednelson · Oct 22, 2019

clearandsweet said:
Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

This is why I believe the Sans costume didn't get leaked: Because only one person had to be negotiated with.

SonicLink125 · Oct 22, 2019

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With all that power of the Golden Sun, would it be a Spirit Bomb at this point?

Golden Sunday is getting close, Adepts!

FlawedAI · Oct 22, 2019

clearandsweet said:
Currently editing my video for Golden Sunday.

Pro tip to y'all kids out there making life decisions to become famous Youtubers: video editing sucks. Develop a personality and/or write your own content then pay someone to edit your shiz for you.

I had another thought related to leaks recently. This is likely just me grasping at straws to console myself while we're not in the spotlight, though. With the fighters pass being all third-party characters so far and the latest news saying a bajillion Touhou songs could come to Smash, I'm reminded of the principle that the chance of a secret leaking is proportional to the square of the number of people who know about it.

That is to say, afaik, no one directly working on Smash Bros in Nintendo/Bandai Japan has ever leaked anything. When you need to translate and localize stuff, then many more people are brought in and they can talk in a Discord DM or mess up and post Monster Dance or the SNK trademark a day early. But when you need to engage a third-party for permissions, monetary deals, art assets, music, ect, it becomes exponentially easier for information to get out. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep something hidden like the music of Touhou, a largely fan-created series with a ton of hands in the cookie jar.

Anyway, Golden Sun would be at the other end of the spectrum. Sakurai would need to clear any content by... no one, though he always engages the original creators. But that's just one meeting and a few emails with the Takahashi Bros, a commission to Sakuraba for some new tracks, and no one else is the wiser.

The point is, even if it is indeed in the works, there won't be any real leaks featuring Golden Sun or other internal characters until NOA or NOE get their hands on something, likely very shortly before it is announced to the world. Just something to think about as we wade through third-party swamp.

I think people were thinking about this when K. Rool was revealed without being leaked. First-party characters don't have other companies to deal with/potential leak from. Isaac would benefit from this theory as well (as long as you don't like/follow leaks) since he'd be a complete surprise.

NessAtc. · Oct 22, 2019

FlawedAI said:
I think people were thinking about this when K. Rool was revealed without being leaked. First-party characters don't have other companies to deal with/potential leak from. Isaac would benefit from this theory as well (as long as you don't like/follow leaks) since he'd be a complete surprise.

Considering how none of the insiders seem to agree/be sure of who #5 even is at the moment, I wouldn't call it unlikely for Isaac to just randomly be it

Deleted member · Oct 22, 2019

Cool. Good too see Isaac has tons of support.

Really well deserved.

DogManStar · Oct 22, 2019

All of the uncertainty about #5 right now is pretty exciting. Normally it seems like the leakers are all pretty in agreement about what the general plan for the next fighters are but there are a lot of contradictory things right now and leaks being disproven. Anything could really happen, which is pretty good to see again. I wouldn't entirely rule out Isaac of course, but I'm thinking he's more possible later on. It's hard to be certain, though.

Isaac: Venus Adept · Oct 22, 2019

4 days to go

4 days to go for #GoldenSunday! We can't stop thinking about it pic.twitter.com/idnDYJiXP2
— Isaac's Allied Adepts ☀️ #GoldenSunday (@IsaacAdepts) October 23, 2019

FamicomDisk · Oct 23, 2019

DogManStar said:
All of the uncertainty about #5 right now is pretty exciting. Normally it seems like the leakers are all pretty in agreement about what the general plan for the next fighters are but there are a lot of contradictory things right now and leaks being disproven. Anything could really happen, which is pretty good to see again. I wouldn't entirely rule out Isaac of course, but I'm thinking he's more possible later on. It's hard to be certain, though.

It is exciting! I seem to recall the situation being pretty similar for #4 prior to the SNK slip-up on Nintendo's site - I'm pretty sure that opinions were fairly split between characters that weren't Terry until that happened, and then most notable leakers said "So it probably is Terry after all, who we'd heard a bit about". So it's possible that something similar could happen here as we approach November and Terry's release! Some notable piece of info comes out, and then suddenly leakers become confident as to who #5 is. Maybe it'll end up being someone who isn't really on people's radars at the moment, like last time!

I agree with you that Isaac is most likely a post-Pass character, though - I think they'll probably finish the Pass with another third-party character, and then the characters after the pass will be a mix of first-party and third-party characters.

millsfan · Oct 23, 2019

I’m hoping for an assist dlc pack.., Shadow and Isaac need to break free

Deleted member · Oct 23, 2019

Yeah post DLC pack picks Isaac would be right up there.

SonicLink125 · Oct 23, 2019

[COUNTDOWN TO GOLDEN SUNDAY]
(4 Days Remain)

Talking to modern RPG fans pic.twitter.com/US3zTPVYv0
— Golden Sun Shitposts (@GS_Shitposts) October 23, 2019

FamicomDisk said:
It is exciting! I seem to recall the situation being pretty similar for #4 prior to the SNK slip-up on Nintendo's site - I'm pretty sure that opinions were fairly split between characters that weren't Terry until that happened, and then most notable leakers said "So it probably is Terry after all, who we'd heard a bit about". So it's possible that something similar could happen here as we approach November and Terry's release! Some notable piece of info comes out, and then suddenly leakers become confident as to who #5 is. Maybe it'll end up being someone who isn't really on people's radars at the moment, like last time!

I agree with you that Isaac is most likely a post-Pass character, though - I think they'll probably finish the Pass with another third-party character, and then the characters after the pass will be a mix of first-party and third-party characters.

Love seeing more and more people having hope again for our Golden Boy again. The more we show demand for him, the better!

Isaac: Venus Adept · Oct 23, 2019

3 days to go for #GoldenSunday. Man my puns can be kinda terrible sometimes hehe

3 days to go for #GoldenSunday! We hope we get drenched in Golden Sun love soon ♥️ pic.twitter.com/5yWI9kwfYp
— Isaac's Allied Adepts ☀️ #GoldenSunday (@IsaacAdepts) October 24, 2019

DogManStar · Oct 23, 2019

Yeah hopefully since more people are hopeful about GS in Smash more people will feel motivated to post for Golden Sunday this time. Hopefully we can actually get trending this time since the general attitude is way better than it was in November last year

ZelDan · Oct 23, 2019

Looking at that tweet reminded me that Himi was a thing that existed in Golden Sun.

SonicLink125 · Oct 24, 2019

[COUNTDOWN TO GOLDEN SUNDAY]
(3 Days Remain)

And here's Ridley doing his best Eclipse impression pic.twitter.com/ceEUQBHmen
— Golden Sun Shitposts (@GS_Shitposts) October 24, 2019

Now I can’t unsee this! Had to do my own!

@TheNCSmaster said Gold Ridley looks like the dragon Eclipse. Can't unsee! Also Mii Isaac vs dragons!#SmashBros #GoldenSun #AssistAlliance pic.twitter.com/q0WeVPNofz
— SonicLink125 ☀️ (@SonicLink125) October 24, 2019

Looks like Gold Ridley will be my color choice from now on. Lol

Isaac: Venus Adept · Oct 24, 2019

#GoldenSunday is in just two more days

2 days to go for #GoldenSunday! Don't let it breeze past you pic.twitter.com/Jn6SF6IiNb
— Isaac's Allied Adepts ☀️ #GoldenSunday (@IsaacAdepts) October 25, 2019

Also interestingly enough Hiroyuki Takahashi mentioned something similar to the concept of the Switch back in 2007. Not that it means anything for today but it's very interesting

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smashkirby · Oct 25, 2019

FamicomDisk said:
I agree with you that Isaac is most likely a post-Pass character, though - I think they'll probably finish the Pass with another third-party character, and then the characters after the pass will be a mix of first-party and third-party characters.

I can only hope...

Diddy Kong · Oct 25, 2019

True Blue Warrior said:
The interesting thing about the DLC roster so far is that, compared to the DLC roster for Smash 4, it definitely comes across as more "hardcore" oriented. What I mean is, whereas Smash 4 had , the biggest DLC character for Ultimate would be , mainly due to how big Dragon Quest is in Japan. Overall, there was more emphasis on "big characters" for Smash 4 (or at least it appears so until was confirmed) compared to Ultimate. Just something interesting I noted.

I'm adding you.

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I have the feeling Banjo was definitely the biggest DLC character right now. His popularity was huge in all the regions and he only made within because of said popularity.

Kalaam · Oct 25, 2019

I went to check, the trademark isn't open to public opposition anymore. It's now sued and active, like all the others.
Do with that information what you want.

clearandsweet · Oct 25, 2019

Kalaam said:
I went to check, the trademark isn't open to public opposition anymore. It's now sued and active, like all the others.
Do with that information what you want.

Unfortunately, so are the ones for Rhythm Heaven, Wrecking Crew and Mario Sluggers that it was filed alongside. As their older TMs have lapsed, it seems clear that Nintendo was just slimming down the categories that it held the TM on. I guess there's going to be no more Rhythm Heaven stationary, because as of July 24, 2019, they sure don't have a TM on it anymore. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume you'd do that to make it more defensible for the categories you do hold (09 - everything related to being a video game). But then again, all new Nintendo single-player Switch games have gotten the 09 and not much else.

I had thought that we might be more lucky than them as the renewal of GS trademark wasn't needed near as quick as for those three. The TLA trademark expires on Christmas this year, so I figured it was probably more likely for a new game than simply renewing that TM with fewer categories. It absolutely still may mean this, to be honest. F-Zero has a TM like this from 2018, likely for some canceled/delayed/unannounced game.

It's pretty neutral, all things considered. Could be something, could be nothing. As is, I think the most telling thing about the Golden Sun TM is the time period which it was filed. That summer was just the right mix of Golden Sun-related hype for Smash and Camelot being available after Mario Tennis.

NessAtc. · Oct 25, 2019

I'm very certain it's something

SonicLink125 · Oct 25, 2019

[COUNTDOWN TO GOLDEN SUNDAY]
(2 Days Remain)

Isaac IRL pic.twitter.com/DM4pBn0oOS
— Golden Sun Shitposts (@GS_Shitposts) October 25, 2019

Keep the dream alive, fellow Adepts! We WILL get Isaac in the Smash Roster!

Also, we’re getting super close to Golden Sunday! Yeah!

Isaac: Venus Adept · Oct 25, 2019

Just one day to go! I hope some of you have some good things cooking!

1 day to go for #GoldenSunday adepts! We're getting all fired up! pic.twitter.com/O7CdzpkjiM
— Isaac's Allied Adepts ☀️ #GoldenSunday (@IsaacAdepts) October 26, 2019

Undella2 · Oct 26, 2019

Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?

FamicomDisk · Oct 26, 2019

Undella2 said:
Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?

There would probably be a handful of complaints, but every single character has someone who isn't a fan of them and complains about them when they're first revealed. Isaac's known as one of the most popular requests, so I feel like there would be relatively few complaints overall!

--

Also, something I noticed earlier today - there's been at least one Nintendo Direct of some kind (be it general or game-specific) every November since 2012! This doesn't have to be true this time, since Nintendo doesn't always follow patterns... but it's fun to keep in mind! With Terry coming up and more DLC on the horizon, maybe we'll get another Smash Direct like last November.

Guynamednelson · Oct 26, 2019

Undella2 said:
Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?

The moaning will instead be "Oh great an irrelevant AT instead of an all-third-party DLC lineup"

NessAtc. · Oct 26, 2019

Undella2 said:
Do you think that Isaac's image as "not your ordinary swordsman and also an earth+other elements mage" has been solidified enough through the Smash community, or will people still moan about him using a sword, (which I believe is the weapon most likely to be used by him), in the event he's revealed as a DLC character?

people will always find a reason to complain about something

SonicLink125 · Oct 26, 2019

[COUNTDOWN TO GOLDEN SUNDAY]
(1 Day Remains)@SKForSmash eat your heart out! pic.twitter.com/hkvtVMuuhk
— Golden Sun Shitposts (@GS_Shitposts) October 26, 2019

I don’t know why, but Judgement being Shovel Knight turned Archangel is just awesome to me!

Isaac: Venus Adept · Oct 26, 2019

The wait is finally over, #GoldenSunday begins now! The Japanese fans have already started celebrating so check some of their stuff out, I already retweeted some of them

Since its already the 27th for some people in the world #GoldenSunday begins now! As long as it's the 27th of October anywhere in the world it will still be on so you guys have plenty of time to contribute. Don't forget to read the pinned tweet for details and use the hashtags. pic.twitter.com/GZyP0ZCjIZ
— Isaac's Allied Adepts ☀️ #GoldenSunday (@IsaacAdepts) October 26, 2019

clearandsweet · Oct 26, 2019

Here's my video. Boy, I rambled, but I think you all will enjoy.

I'm going to cross post it and promote it tomorrow as it's still Saturday in North America.

Happy Golden Sunday! I really do think we might have something to celebrate this next year.

GoodGrief741 · Oct 26, 2019

Happy #GoldenSunday everyone! Let's get out there and make an impact.

ArkSPiTFirE · Oct 26, 2019

Happy Golden Sunday!

Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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