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Sunrise Up Again! Isaac for Smash Ultimate DLC

ZelDan

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With the Mario Golf trailer out, can we dream about it even just a little Teaser of Golden Sun At E3?

And that's awesome Golden Sun is trending
As lovely as it would be to see a new golden Sun be shown at E3 or sometime soon, I have a really hard time seeing it happen unless another company is working on it or assisting with it, which I also have a hard time seeing.

But hey, this is one instance where I wouldn't be upset to be served up a nice, steaming plate of crow.
 

Isaac: Venus Adept

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Recently they revealed a remake to Dragon Quest III using the Octopath HD-2D style which is another potentially awesome direction to take a Golden Sun remake. I'm even seeing people on Twitter make comparisons with Golden Sun with the new battle angle (kind of takes you back to the Rathalos Tweet days haha)
Also I made a fun poll for what is the preferred style for a Golden Sun remake so take part if you want.
 

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Recently they revealed a remake to Dragon Quest III using the Octopath HD-2D style which is another potentially awesome direction to take a Golden Sun remake. I'm even seeing people on Twitter make comparisons with Golden Sun with the new battle angle (kind of takes you back to the Rathalos Tweet days haha)
Also I made a fun poll for what is the preferred style for a Golden Sun remake so take part if you want.
Can't reply to your poll on Twitter itself (don't have an account), but if I could guarantee the remake's quality I'd probably actually want it to go the ARPG route. That may not be the most popular option, but I just tend to prefer ARPGs in general, and I'd love to see how the djinn & summon system would be implemented in an ARPG, as well as what kind of battle styles the characters would have to make themselves distinct from each other.

If I had to pick a turn-based system, I think it'd have to be either full 3D or HD 2D, though I admit I have trouble visualizing the unique "3D-esque" sprites as "HD" and thus lean more towards full 3D.
 

helloiamhere

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Recently they revealed a remake to Dragon Quest III using the Octopath HD-2D style which is another potentially awesome direction to take a Golden Sun remake. I'm even seeing people on Twitter make comparisons with Golden Sun with the new battle angle (kind of takes you back to the Rathalos Tweet days haha)
Also I made a fun poll for what is the preferred style for a Golden Sun remake so take part if you want.
I was coming into this thread to say - the DQ III remake battle screen looks just like a Golden Sun one.
 

Kalaam

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It looks good. BUT
I don't really want that for GS. Let me explain:

2H HD games we had so far, Octopath and DQ3 remake handle battle animations very differently. Characters barely move, screen is almost static and it's all 3d visual effects. Which works ! Even for GS having a different type of visual (3D effects for magic whereas the "world" is 2d sprites) really brings a "out of this world/supernatural" feel to magic. Especially if stuff like "normal fire" is a sprite too.
However, GS combat is much more dynamic visual. Camera pans and snaps around, characters move to strike etc.

And then there is the issue of overworld navigation. 2D HD has terrible depth perception because of the camera angle AND "flat" characters. doing puzzles would be a pain, and swapping to a higher camera angle in puzzle rooms (which can be...anywhere since almost everything is interractable) would make the world look weird.

So while I adore this visual style, and the idea is nice. I absolutely do not want that to be Golden Sun Remake/4.

Edit: HOWEVER I would adore the reverse. Have spell effects be 2d "draw" or sprites/detailed pixel art.
 
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I wonder what he's going to find? Hehe.

2 weeks left to see what Nintendo will deliver us. Still hopeful that they'll finally announce a new GS game, but I'm prepared to not expect it either. Still, it would be awesome if we did get it.
Smash speculation is crazy. But every time many think it's this "X" character, they turn out wrong. I'm hoping it happens again, in a good way of course. Just saying, Isaac as the next DLC character will throw everyone off and I would LOVE to see that happen. These next 2 weeks are going to be...interesting, to say the least.
 

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Reminder the twentieth anniversary event #GoldenSun20 is in two months. We have a set time we want everyone to start posting so we can get the post to trend better

Read our pinned thread for details if you haven't already
 

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The pics do look like certain events happened there.

Slow week over here. Then again, there hasn't been much news as of yet. Hopfully that changes soon as we get closer to E3. I wonder what we have in store?
 

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No idea at this point. I'm really surprised we haven't had a Pokemon direct announced for this week since that basically always happens pre-E3.

Would be incredible to see really anything related to Golden Sun, even though I doubt it.
 

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Yeah I do really wanna see this new Monolith Soft project. I forget, do we know for a fact that it is a new IP? Or do we just know it isn't Xenoblade?

If not my only slight hope for GS would be if the new project is somehow a reboot of Golden Sun. But even if (and when lol) it's not I'm sure it will be great. I love me some RPGs and Monolith Soft has a great track record.

Also there are some rumors that there's going to be a FE remake, so hopefully that shows up S Sentinel07
 

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I'm really surprised we haven't had a Pokemon direct announced for this week since that basically always happens pre-E3.
They had Pokemon stuff actually be a part of the main Direct in 2014, so it wouldn't be anything new.
 

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Yeah I do really wanna see this new Monolith Soft project. I forget, do we know for a fact that it is a new IP? Or do we just know it isn't Xenoblade?

If not my only slight hope for GS would be if the new project is somehow a reboot of Golden Sun. But even if (and when lol) it's not I'm sure it will be great. I love me some RPGs and Monolith Soft has a great track record.

Also there are some rumors that there's going to be a FE remake, so hopefully that shows up S Sentinel07
Last I heard, they were working on both Xenoblade and a new IP.

Xenoblade is confirmed to be in development at the very least, as they have a team specifically dedicated to just Xenoblade.
 

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Last I heard, they were working on both Xenoblade and a new IP.

Xenoblade is confirmed to be in development at the very least, as they have a team specifically dedicated to just Xenoblade.
yeah that's what I seem to remember. I'm just wondering if we actually know that it's a new IP or if that was something that was inferred? I don't actually remember where that info came from.
 

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May we make a little thread here?

Characters I wish for the fighter pass: Isaac, Heihachi

Characters I think will actually make it: Rayman, Ryu Hayabusa
 

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May we make a little thread here?

Characters I wish for the fighter pass: Isaac, Heihachi

Characters I think will actually make it: Rayman, Ryu Hayabusa
Characters I wish for the fighter pass: Isaac or Lloyd and Shantae or Dante

Characters I think will actually make it: One of the slots most likely another Jrpg character. No idea who for the other slot, but definitely not a western character, I think we're done with those.
 

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Characters I wish for the Fighter Pass: Isaac and... honestly idgaff who else, Isaac is all I want at this point. Though Lloyd would be pretty nice.

Characters I think will actually make it: A gen 8 starter (probably Cinderace) and the protagonist of the next Fire Emblem game.
 

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Characters I wish for the Fighter Pass: Isaac & Doom Slayer.
-Though Isaac is truly all I need to feel satisfied with Smash forever. There are a lot of characters I would like to see make it, but Isaac is THE final character for me to have.
-Doom Slayer is my #1 "Impossible" Most Wanted. I don't think he'll EVER get in so I'm not going to get any hopes for him unfortunately. BUT, if he does, be aware that I will be extremely happy. And if he got in before Isaac, his inclusion would soften the blow that I got when Isaac became an AT.

Characters I think will actually make it: Lloyd, Isaac, FE/Pokemon/Mario character.
-Believe it or not, Isaac actually has a chance from what I've seen happen lately with Pass 2 for several reasons. Is he a guarantee? Absolutely not (but I freaking WISH! lol). But I will say I'd be a fool to count him out.
-With the final Mii Costume from Smash 4 STILL not around, Lloyd is DEFINITELY getting in! But as what is the real question. As a Fighter or as a Mii Costume? Guess we shall see soon.
-For FE, there is a supposed rumor of a remake on the horizon and Sakurai is a big FE fan after all. He can easily add another if he wanted to.
-Pokemon just keeps selling so Nintendo would absolutely want to put in another like they always have.
-Mario is a no brainier. But who could they add is the kicker. We can easily say Waluigi, but with Piranha Plant being a thing, Sakurai can easily surprise us.
 

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IS wouldn't have made a new FE that quickly.
A brand-new one? Probably not. But I could see a remake of one/both of the Jugdral titles being shown off at E3, with or without a release date, giving Nintendo the perfect excuse opportunity to slip in another FE character.

I'll admit I'm being extremely pessimistic and it's unlikely to happen even if a Jugdral remake does get announced, but I'm unwilling to completely put it past Nintendo/Sakurai either.
 
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In case you guys missed it Nintendo had a post yesterday celebrating 20 years of the US release of the GBA and surprise surprise Golden Sun made it on the trending list for a bit again.
 
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Most wanted : Isaac first and foremost, Phoenix Wright

Most likely : like I already said, I strongly believe the second pass to be a "second chance" pass. Arms and XC2 would have been in the base game if it was launched later, Sephiroth is a second chance for FF content, and Steve is a second chance for a character who was likely aimed to be released sooner if it wasn't for both non-Japan stuff and for complexity. The last two, for me, will keep this trend, that's why I believe the last two will be between Isaac, Waluigi, Rayman, the monster hunter, Phoenix, and Lloyd.
 

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Most wanted : Isaac first and foremost, Phoenix Wright

Most likely : like I already said, I strongly believe the second pass to be a "second chance" pass. Arms and XC2 would have been in the base game if it was launched later, Sephiroth is a second chance for FF content, and Steve is a second chance for a character who was likely aimed to be released sooner if it wasn't for both non-Japan stuff and for complexity. The last two, for me, will keep this trend, that's why I believe the last two will be between Isaac, Waluigi, Rayman, the monster hunter, Phoenix, and Lloyd.
It would be a win to see any of those guys make it. I hope your predictions got some good luck for the future!
 

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IS wouldn't have made a new FE that quickly.
If it's an FE remake as expected, then they probably wouldn't need the development to be that far along for them to pull a character from it (since the character would be an existing one).

However, I don't expect them to pull a Smash character from a remake except in very special circumstances. I don't expect Fire Emblem to factor into the rest of Smash DLC, but don't fully count it out.

If I had to guess the two remaining DLC packs, though, then I would say Lloyd Irving at E3 and a Pokémon (say, Rillaboom) left for a couple months down the line.
 
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If it's an FE remake as expected, then they probably wouldn't need the development to be that far along for them to pull a character from it
I was mainly thinking they were thinking an all-new FE was coming, not a remake. Sure, FE remakes need less time to develop and their characters are already established.
 

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I have practically never been less hyped for a Nintendo E3. Golden Sun is off the table. Isaac in Smash is off the table. A classic style Paper Mario is off the table. etc., etc.

I'm very much looking forward to BOTW2 and Pokemon Legends: Arceus so it's not like I don't have any big games I'm really looking forward to, I just can't see this E3 adding any extra Nintendo games to be excited about at all. =(
 

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I was mainly thinking they were thinking an all-new FE was coming, not a remake. Sure, FE remakes need less time to develop and their characters are already established.
An all-new Fire Emblem is not out of the question, though that would likely come next year if such a thing is in development.

IS only had a small crew working on Three Houses. Koei Tecmo handled a good 95% of development if not more. And Paper Mario doesn't use up their entire workforce, so they had to have been working on something while KT was doing TH and the Paper Mario team was doing their thing.
 

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Golden Sun isn't super likely for NIntendo's E3 presentation with the recent reveal of Mario Golf Super Rush but it's cool we have some big names still spreading the Golden Sun love
 

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Kind of wild to think today might be the final character announcements for Smash. As unlikely as Isaac and Golden Sun feel, I still massively appreciate all the love everyone has shown here for the franchise, and, worst comes to worst, we could always play some Mii Swordfighter matches online to enjoy what little we did get this go-around. Hope today's Direct is fun either way, and looking forward to celebrating the anniversary later on!
 

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People complain about anime swordsman a lot, but where's the complaint for bulky fighting fist men? Seriously, it's the most boring class of character.
 

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At the very least, I'm hoping for eshop ports of the first two games (because I don't think they're willing to mess around with the dual screen set-up of DD at all, sadly).
 
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