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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

DutchPichu

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I have never played Golden Sun ... but man? Is this at least a little bit more confirming the Grinch leak?

And what would the little plant item do?
 

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I have never played Golden Sun ... but man? Is this at least a little bit more confirming the Grinch leak?

And what would the little plant item do?
The Growth Psynergy on the field grows a sapling into a vine. So by that extension, it would probably work as a portable ladder that can be put anywhere on the ground.
 

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It makes sense that they updated the trademark of Golden Sun, Mach Rider and Rhythmn Paradise if we end getting those characters in game.....

Maybe the leaker used that information to create the leak and make it more believable if it ends being fake... BUT OH MAN THAT GS ITEM...... among the huge amount of things they could "spoiler" about GS ...they end showing an item that can be a little generic or at least not 100% strong confirmation of GS (I would say, super mario vines? i.e).... THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

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The Growth Psynergy on the field grows a sapling into a vine. So by that extension, it would probably work as a portable ladder that can be put anywhere on the ground.
I think I saw someone saying that it was something related to Tret, that turns people into plants (I haven't played GS 1 for a looong time... I can't remember what it is about), maybe that "freezes" people and you can use them as platforms for a while?
 
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DutchPichu

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The Growth Psynergy on the field grows a sapling into a vine. So by that extension, it would probably work as a portable ladder that can be put anywhere on the ground.
Well that's interesting! Furthermore, if this is a Golden Sun item, I want to congratulate the Golden Sun fans with representation of your series after total absence in Smash 4. [[now I'm still waiting for my Rhythm Heaven representation]]
 

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Just started playing the first Golden Sun, and man I'm a fan so far. Just got the Jupiter Djinn in Bilibin and been having a blast. I hope the Grinch leak is real so we can all get our boys in, including Isaac!
 

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Who would have thought that the Grinch and Wendy's would have been large proponents to our cause?
To be frank, I wouldn't find it anything far off seeing them collaborating together to do this massive, heinous stunt.




Now here comes the Grinch x Wendy-memes. :awesome:
 
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Well that's interesting! Furthermore, if this is a Golden Sun item, I want to congratulate the Golden Sun fans with representation of your series after total absence in Smash 4. [[now I'm still waiting for my Rhythm Heaven representation]]
Hopefully after all this time, we both get what we've been hoping for.
 

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Weren't there Golden Sun games in the Wii U eShop Virtual Console? Worth trying? If yes, which?
 

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Finally caught up on the last 8 pages. I'm relieved that more evidence has come out for Golden Sun content in Ultimate as I was beginning to have some niggling doubts about the Grinch leak. The next Direct can't come soon enough!
 

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The plant bubble is open ended enough to be Golden Sun, generic item, or Mario. I lean more towards Golden Sun or Generic myself. I guess there's always a chance for it to be from some more lesser known or talked about series as well, but that's too much effort to look into.

Also apparently the Grinch renders aren't new except for the present box.
 
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I just saw this.

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Also I just saw the sprites of this in every GS game and the similarities are impressive. They are also saying that the orb is meant to represent the "orb items" you get in GS that made you use those psinergies, so grabbing it maybe lets you use those powers like the screw attack from Samus.

So in the end if this is GS related, it could be just a throwable offensive item or a temporary ability item.
 
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Source? I thought we've been over this and concluded that the grinch render had a high chance of being new.
The "source" is likely Nintendo life's video where they claim that a twitter user by the name of nantengax found all the renders. However, if you actually look into his twitter feed, even he says they are original, making Nintendo Life have told a massive lie. The only thing nantengax claims is how the entire leak could have been faked, and showing methods a faker could have used to make this. However, nantengax had forgotten about the printed material and supplies needed to make this. He did make 1 good point however, saying that a connection to Bamco would've proven mute, as the publisher deals with marketing. He'd need a connection to nintendo, not bamco.
 
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I've thought on the idea that Djinns could be AT and they drop psynergy bubbles when they spawn. Probably that's too much work to make and it would cause Isaac not having djinns to use for himself, but having psynergys as an item is weird in my opinion.
 

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Weren't there items in golden sun you could use in battles with psyenergy effects?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it has been a while since I played it, going to replay it immediatly when Isaac gets announced tho.
 

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I was having a very difficult time, and the Isabelle's reveal make me lost hope for Isaac's inclution

now, with the Rathalos pic, the grinch leak and the new item, it would be so devastated if Isaac doesn't get in! Now, in more than 10 year later, we are really close to have our dream come true!
 

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Mach Rider = predictable?
Real talk though, if you stated that Isaac and Banjo were predictable and likely characters 8 months ago, you'd be laughed at, especially in comparison to more "relevant" characters.

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To be frank, I wouldn't find it anything far off seeing them collaborating together to do this massive, heinous stunt.




Now here comes the Grinch x Wendy-memes. :awesome:
The Grinch and Wendy's aiding Isaac's chance to get into Smash. What a time to be alive folks. I get the feeling people are going to start shipping those two if hasn't happened already.
 
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So if the leak is true we get:
  • Isaac
  • Ken
  • Chorus Kids
  • Banjo
  • Geno
  • Mach Rider
  • Shadow
Sounds good for a final roster count.
Yeah and it would be awesome. BUT if it is not real and the final roster is alot less fulfilling than this Nintendo needs to get on the ball and deny it or some people are going to be angry.
 

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The Grinch and Wendy's aiding Isaac's chance to get into Smash. What a time to be alive folks. I get the feeling people are going to start shipping those two if hasn't happened already.
Oh gosh! That's going to be...interesting...and probably horrifying...but also not surprising. Internet never ceases to amaze me though.

Still, it's so hilarious that Wendy's and The Grinch are going to go down in Smash Bros. history as the greatest leakers. Just, wow!
 

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Decided to chuck my two cents into the "Growth" item debate. I'm not 100% convinced it's growth, but I'm leaning more towards it being growth as opposed to the opposite choice.

 

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I'll watch that item shortly Billybae10K Billybae10K I did want to bring up something that I feel like a lot of people forgot and to counter one of the biggest "negitives" to large roster leaks.

Sakurai said to not expect to many new fighters, but he said this exact thing back in 2012 for smash 4

https://nintendotoday.com/super-smash-bros-wii-u-characters/

Quote: "There is a charm to games that have huge casts of playable characters, but they tend to have issues with game balance and it becomes difficult to fine tune each character and have them all feel distinctive” Sakurai told Nintendo Power magazine, talking about fighting games in general. He added, “we have probably already reached the limit of what’s feasible. A change of direction may be what’s needed "

And what happened in smash 4? well including DLC we got 21 new fighters. 17 without the DLC, and 15 if you count the mii fighters as 1 and not 3.

So why can;t this be true for this game as well? It seems obvious Sakurai wants people to keep their expectations low, and then surprise them with more. If this leak is true it could be doing that as well.

A bit off topic,, but any credance to the claims going around we are getting more then on this leak? Like Incineroar and at least 1 other?
 
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Not counting echoes there would be only 10 newcomers according to the leak. This fits with Sakurai's comment.
That's 16 overall. Still lower than smash 4.
Sakurai also said that the reveals would slow down. Not be fewer.
 

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Oh gosh! That's going to be...interesting...and probably horrifying...but also not surprising. Internet never ceases to amaze me though.

Still, it's so hilarious that Wendy's and The Grinch are going to go down in Smash Bros. history as the greatest leakers. Just, wow!
You just know that that there is gonna be a ton of Grinch and Wendy Mii's online when Ultimate gets released.
 

Sordim522

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Anyone else find it interesting that the mural from the Grinch leak appears to have Isaac using growth or tending to some kind of a plant and then there’s a potential Golden Sun item in the form of the Growth Psynergy? I’m personally less sold on it being a GS item than I am on the Grinch leak, but still.
 

I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!

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Was this "Growth" psynergy sprout overworld sprite from the original games ever posted?

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Comparison:

 
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I tried to show the people from the discussion topic about how much a image can change if it gets pixelated.

They dont care.
 

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Now with the "Growth" like item, I was thinking about what effects it could have or actually, what it is;

- Growth (In-Battle) Pickup and throw to create nettles or vines that damage an enemy @ the spot it is thrown to.

- Growth (Out-Battle) Pickup and throw to create a ladder (Many Youtubers have already pointed this out, very likely with the new ladder attacks).

- Psynergy Shield (Out-Battle) Pickup and shield yourself (Or teammates aswel, which would go nicely with the psynergy shield from GS1, where the whole party was protected) for a certain amount of time or damage?

More interesting things (Where this "Item" would be only collectable by Isaac):

- Some kind of new system for Isaac, where Isaac collects psynergies to use for his neutral B / Enhance his B moves.

- A collectable for Isaac to change the final smash.

- Some kind of different collectable that would have different effects, like shulk (Movement speed buff/Jump buff etc.)

And now that I think about it, if they implement something like this, other elements would actually get some kind of representation, besides the obvious Venus element from Isaac. So I think this would be amazing. Sakurai would not need to add other characters or trophies this way, as it will all be implemented with "items".
 

zferolie

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Not counting echoes there would be only 10 newcomers according to the leak. This fits with Sakurai's comment.
That's 16 overall. Still lower than smash 4.
Sakurai also said that the reveals would slow down. Not be fewer.
Exactly. He may dump all 7 at once at the start of november, and if those rumors of a few more are still missing are true, maybe those closer to launch(hoping for Medusa, Inceniroar, and Shantae as the last reveals)
 

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Sorry, I think Omni's breakdown is way too detailed. I'm firmly on the side that the Grinch leak is fake.

The only thing that would be hard to do is the printout on the circular banner. Everything else is relatively simple.

But the banner background was faked, which means the whole thing was faked.
 

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More interesting things (Where this "Item" would be only collectable by Isaac):

- Some kind of new system for Isaac, where Isaac collects psynergies to use for his neutral B / Enhance his B moves.

- A collectable for Isaac to change the final smash.

- Some kind of different collectable that would have different effects, like shulk (Movement speed buff/Jump buff etc.)

And now that I think about it, if they implement something like this, other elements would actually get some kind of representation, besides the obvious Venus element from Isaac. So I think this would be amazing. Sakurai would not need to add other characters or trophies this way, as it will all be implemented with "items".
Would be a neat idea, but wouldn't Isaac need to be in the match for this to work? It spawned in a game with ness/falcon in the Wendy's video so having an item there that only works for Isaac doesn't really work
 

Frosty Pops

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I don't think this growth item confirms that the leak is real. Yes, Issac is essentially confirmed because the sprite from Golden Sun is pretty identical to the item in Smash. But even if Issac gets announced, I still don't think that would prove the leak because he is essentially a given like Geno, Ken, and to lesser extents Shadow and Banjo. I'd put my foot down and say this leak is real if Chorus Kids or Mach Rider get announced.
I would say it is real if we get a general direct with only 1-2 fighters who were in the leak, and when the mural updates the portrait of the character is an identical pose and similar position. Because even if it is Banjo, Isaac, or Geno who are kind of expected, if they look the same as the leaked mural I would say Mach Rider and Chorus Kids made it as well. Because no way could they have known character poses/position if it was not legit.
 

Undella2

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Sorry, I think Omni's breakdown is way too detailed. I'm firmly on the side that the Grinch leak is fake.

The only thing that would be hard to do is the printout on the circular banner. Everything else is relatively simple.

But the banner background was faked, which means the whole thing was faked.
Yeah, and it's also somewhat simple to photoshop an image to look like the Smash 3DS select screen.

But look what happened.
 

Hydreigonfan01

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I'm beginning to think it's a single node of the Mario stalk now. The only problem is the stalk being too narrow and the leaves lacking depth in their spines
I don't think it's the Mario stalk, but if it's from something in Mario and not Growth (Which is doubtful) then I think it's the Floro Sprout from Super Paper Mario.
 
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