Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Pwnapplez]

Decided to chuck my two cents into the "Growth" item debate. I'm not 100% convinced it's growth, but I'm leaning more towards it being growth as opposed to the opposite choice.

You should of thrown in your 50 cents

 

[Delta64]

I am still thinking this leak has a 50% chance of being real. If it isn't, at least it provided a lot of buzz around Isaac.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The Grinch and Wendy's aiding Isaac's chance to get into Smash. What a time to be alive folks. I get the feeling people are going to start shipping those two if hasn't happened already.

I'm glad to know both have good taste on videogames despite being probably very old people by this point.

(Also, your comment's amazing, can I spread it bit around?)

 

[KingZing]

If Isaac gets a stage, I would really love Venus Lighthouse, even if it's just as an excuse for a remix of its theme.

 

[FlintIke]

Tbh I think when Isaac finally joins smash, the 2 Soundtracks I almost see guaranteed are the Venus Lighthouse theme and his own Battle Theme.
I can already hear it in his trailer...

 

[Gurein]

Sorry, I think Omni's breakdown is way too detailed. I'm firmly on the side that the Grinch leak is fake.

The only thing that would be hard to do is the printout on the circular banner. Everything else is relatively simple.

But the banner background was faked, which means the whole thing was faked.

Again, just because something can be faked, doesn't mean it's fake. While this argument can go against the grinch leak, you can't forget that were talking about a zoomed in screenshot in motion. I don't think arguing about if this bit of pixel is accurate to what we currently is going to help much.

 

[Golden Icarus]

My mind is going everywhere thanks to this leak. Now I just can’t get over the idea that this could be fake. And if this is somehow fake? My god! This would be the most elaborate hoax I have ever seen. Whoever made it would be a goddamn mastermind. I probably wouldn’t even be all that upset. I would just be in sheer awe by the man’s ability.

However, I am pretty stinkin confident that this has gotta be real. With everything it has going for it and the fact that it hasn’t been debunked yet. Because bruh, so many different things could debunk this. Yet we have no solid evidence to disprove it.

If this is real, it is the absolute best case scenario I could ask for. If fake, then there is an evil mastermind in our community. Which would honestly be pretty rad in itself. This is just awesome.

 

[Skyblade12]

Again, just because something can be faked, doesn't mean it's fake. While this argument can go against the grinch leak, you can't forget that were talking about a zoomed in screenshot in motion. I don't think arguing about if this bit of pixel is accurate to what we currently is going to help much.

It's not that it can be faked. That wasn't what convinced me.

What convinced me is the background being way off from the actual background, conveniently wherever there was a character in the way.

Which means the background with no characters was faked.

Which means the whole thing was faked.

 

[FatNerd]

if this item is in smash that could mean the grinch leak is legit

 

[Mrs.Milky]

It's because there was the Wendy's smash bros thing that had the promotional video with the mysterious little plant item

Oooh, where is it? Is it gone already?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

if this item is in smash that could mean the grinch leak is legit

Just because Isaac is in the game through this item? I don’t think we can extrapolate that far in the least bit. Isaac has always a shot for the game regardless of leaks and number of newcomers left.

All that Growth does, if it is indeed Growth, is give Isaac a very, very good chance at being in the base game. That’s all. And in this thread I think that would be enough haha

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

With all the commotion going on between insiders, like Papa Geno has been suggesting; I think it's impossible for this to be completely fake. There's somthing fishy going on.

 

[?!?!?!]

Oooh, where is it? Is it gone already?

It's in this tweet, the item shows up at 0:27
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1055519359622410241?s=19

 

[Q-Long]

I tried to show the people from the discussion topic about how much a image can change if it gets pixelated.

They dont care.

I'm still cautiously on the fence about this leak

but those people there have a pretty strong dislike of non relevant characters, i get the sense they probably would not want it to be true lol :b

 

[Frosty Pops]

Remember, ladder attacks are now a thing.

Bramble Seed would work for the Growth combat effect.

But what if it grows a vine ladder? Only Growth does that.

Well Mario has ladder vines. But they grow out of blocks.

 

[Solbliminal]

Staying team real here until I get egg on my face. The last time everyone jumped boat and thought something like this was fake, it was apparently a Photoshop'd Little Mac. lmfao

 

[Graizen]

I'm still cautiously on the fence about this leak

but those people there have a pretty strong dislike of non relevant characters, i get the sense they probably would not want it to be true lol :b

My two most wanted characters are Agumon and Crash. So what?

People have to understand that this leak is almost impossible to be a fake.

 

[Gurein]

It's not that it can be faked. That wasn't what convinced me.

What convinced me is the background being way off from the actual background, conveniently wherever there was a character in the way.

Which means the background with no characters was faked.

Which means the whole thing was faked.

Well... Did you consider that the position of the characters were simply logical? I mean the mii fighters have finlly been put together when it didn't make sense that Miigunner was away from the other two before? If this leak is fake I want to be debunked right now, but this is nothing in my eyes.

 

[Skyblade12]

My two most wanted characters are Agumon and Crash. So what?

People have to understand that this leak is almost impossible to be a fake.

Not almost impossible at all. Most of it would be a fun little hobby for a graphic artist. The only hard part is getting the printout of the banner piece done.

 

[Graizen]

Not almost impossible at all. Most of it would be a fun little hobby for a graphic artist. The only hard part is getting the printout of the banner piece done.

Fun little hobby?
Oh my god

 

[jweb23]

With all the commotion going on between insiders, like Papa Geno has been suggesting; I think it's impossible for this to be completely fake. There's somthing fishy going on.

That’s the strangest thing to me in all of this. People getting info from insiders claiming these are the characters and then other insiders wondering where Incineroar is and then PapaGeno’s insider claiming someone is missing. Add that to that “leak” a few months ago that a character is supposed to be announced at the videogame awards, which takes place a day before Ultimate’s release.

Way too many strange things going on in Smash speculation. I just need Nintendo to hurry up with an announcement so we can sort all of this stuff out.

 

[Skyblade12]

Fun little hobby?
Oh my god

Without seeing the full art, it's impossible to tell for sure, but it doesn't look to even be on the same level as the Rayman work, which WAS just a piece done for fun.

 

[Delta64]

It's not that it can be faked. That wasn't what convinced me.

What convinced me is the background being way off from the actual background, conveniently wherever there was a character in the way.

Which means the background with no characters was faked.

Which means the whole thing was faked.

I thought it was established that the background has been changed when the banner gets changed. In other words, the banner at E3 has a different background than the background the banner has now. This is what I had heard. Still, it could be fake but, it could be real.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

It's not that it can be faked. That wasn't what convinced me.

What convinced me is the background being way off from the actual background, conveniently wherever there was a character in the way.

Which means the background with no characters was faked.

Which means the whole thing was faked.

I'll be real here though, this being fake... would probably be the biggest downer in Smash's speculation history. An insanely elaborate, ingeniously done leak - but nevertheless, it be just too cruel to create on this passionate fanbase wanting this iteration of Smash to really be as best as it can be, in means of roster and fanservice.

So I really hope it's not fake anyway. As far as what it has presented, this would truly allow the series to finish itself with a bang.

 

[Skyblade12]

I thought it was established that the background has been changed when the banner gets changed. In other words, the banner at E3 has a different background than the background the banner has now. This is what I had heard. Still, it could be fake but, it could be real.

Nope. ArtsyOmni did an overlay comparison. They're still the same, minus some minor color differences due to lighting.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It's not that it can be faked. That wasn't what convinced me.

What convinced me is the background being way off from the actual background, conveniently wherever there was a character in the way.

Which means the background with no characters was faked.

Which means the whole thing was faked.

It doesn’t mean the background was faked, it means it’s different from the one we know.

Which is a strike against, but it’s not like there can’t be more than one version of a piece of artwork.

 

[Graizen]

Without seeing the full art, it's impossible to tell for sure, but it doesn't look to even be on the same level as the Rayman work, which WAS just a piece done for fun.

Its PIXELATED
Please for the Love of GOD
Can someone in this board understand that?

 

[SebasSancy]

Anyone else find it interesting that the mural from the Grinch leak appears to have Isaac using growth or tending to some kind of a plant and then there’s a potential Golden Sun item in the form of the Growth Psynergy? I’m personally less sold on it being a GS item than I am on the Grinch leak, but still.

Maybe is a way to introduce the new audience to Golden Sun. Many people said that Isaac is just another sword user, but that's not the case, and making he use the psynergy in the banner, and add an item that show the psynergy is a way to differenciate him and the franchise from other swords users

 

[Skyblade12]

Its PIXELATED
Please for the Love of GOD
Can someone in this board understand that?

Apparently you can't. Pixelizing something doesn't change it's colors.

It doesn’t mean the background was faked, it means it’s different from the one we know.

Which is a strike against, but it’s not like there can’t be more than one version of a piece of artwork.

Which would be fine, if there was any indication that the background has changed, at all, since it was first shown off at E3. But there is none, as that background matches perfectly (adjusting for lighting differences) with the current one.

 

[Ura]

Tbh I think when Isaac finally joins smash, the 2 Soundtracks I almost see guaranteed are the Venus Lighthouse theme and his own Battle Theme.
I can already hear it in his trailer...

Well the way I envisioned it was the Golden Sun main theme playing with the logo and all and then Venus Lighthouse (the location not the track mind you) is shown where Isaac is seen and the tagline "ISAAC STANDS HIS GROUND!" is shown. Then his battle theme plays followed by the introduction of Felix as an Echo Fighter and his kickass track theme plays. And then the trailer ends with the camera panning to Alex who has a snarky look on his face planning something diabolical.

I outta write out the entire trailer I had in mind.

 

[Dionaea_floridensis]

Artsy Omni debunked the Grinch leak in his stream, I strongly suggest you go watch it. As for this sprout item, I cannot confidently say it's a GS item. It looks more like Growth than it does like a Mario beanstalk, but not so much so that the possibility if it being a beanstalk is nullified. I'm gonna stick with 25% Mario beanstalk, 25% original item, and 50% GS Growth.

 

[zferolie]

Artsy Omni debunked the Grinch leak in his stream, I strongly suggest you go watch it. As for this sprout item, I cannot confidently say it's a GS item. It looks more like Growth than it does like a Mario beanstalk, but not so much so that the possibility if it being a beanstalk is nullified. I'm gonna stick with 25% Mario beanstalk, 25% original item, and 50% GS Growth.

How exactly did he debunk it, because right now there is no way one can due to the quality of the image. only way this is debunked is from nintendo themselves or the leaker

 

[Skyblade12]

How exactly did he debunk it, because right now there is no way one can due to the quality of the image. only way this is debunked is from nintendo themselves or the leaker

He did side by side and overlay comparisons of the E3 background with several versions of the actual background, and the raw background we saw in the leak.

They all matched up, except for obvious holes in the leak background in places that were covered up by characters in the other banners.

 

[Huanchi]

Which would be fine, if there was any indication that the background has changed, at all, since it was first shown off at E3. But there is none, as that background matches perfectly (adjusting for lighting differences) with the current one.

except there is


also this is a Support Thread. if you dont want to support the golden boy then you a free to leave

 

[Solbliminal]

What is it with y'all saying Omni debunked it? He simply provided insight and told everyone to use their own judgement. Its this same level of insight that made literally everyone on Smashboards and elsewhere call Shulk a photoshopped Little Mac.

Y'all need to stop believing the first thing you hear without solid evidence to back it up. Its only a rumor until proven true or false. Just because someone you believe says its fake doesn't mean its fake. There is no actual evidence to discredit the leak. I think we've all formed our own opinions on the leak thus far and until new evidence comes forward, this topic is moot.

 

[Graizen]

Apparently you can't. Pixelizing something doesn't change it's colors.



Which would be fine, if there was any indication that the background has changed, at all, since it was first shown off at E3. But there is none, as that background matches perfectly (adjusting for lighting differences) with the current one.

When resampling images, larger or smaller, you always loose some quality. This is natural as you are either adding or removing pixels from your image.

When you make an image smaller, it will become sharper and more pixelated, as the higher contrast edges are maintained at the cost of the less important filler information.

When you make an image larger, it will become more blurry. This is because you are adding pixels between the existing ones that are a created as a blend of its neighbors.

Yes, some colors change or even disapear. Some parts of the image can simple vanish. Thats what pixelation do.

 

[Skyblade12]

except there is


also this is a Support Thread. if you dont want to support the golden boy then you a free to leave

Not supporting a leak is not the same as not supporting Isaac.

 

[zferolie]

He did side by side and overlay comparisons of the E3 background with several versions of the actual background, and the raw background we saw in the leak.

They all matched up, except for obvious holes in the leak background in places that were covered up by characters in the other banners.

Got to say that doesn't 100% debunk it The E3 background is of course going to be more detailed as it was on a giant screen. the one we have seems to be meant for wristbands, and the background will be less detailed to avoid clutter.

It pokes holes in the leak but it doesn't kill it

 

[tveye]

except there is


also this is a Support Thread. if you dont want to support the golden boy then you a free to leave

Not cool, we can still support Isaac and still not be 100% on this leak. It’s very believable, but there are still some flaws. We’ve all been disappointed once before, after all.

 

[Solbliminal]

Aight. You all want to talk about something not looking like it should in regards to Smash? Lets talk about this.

Not every piece of work is going to come out looking the same, or comparable to another. Especially if its coming from a screen shot of a snap chat post.