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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

PushDustIn

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I believe PushDustIn PushDustIn was in the process of Translating it. He's probably busy so he might not drop in to confirm or deny what you said, though.
"I apologize for the one-week delay. The earthquake in Hokkaido led to a delay in the Nintendo Direct broadcast, so I had no choice but to hold off on publishing the article I had written."

Don't use NE's translation. They are always off. I'm hoping SG is back up by the end of the weekend (US time). We are having some hosting issues.
 
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Get Animal Crossing New Leaf, haven't played it myself but it seems like a charming fun game. Nothing but good things to say about it based on what I've heard.

Other characters? My most wanted is in King K. Rool so there is not much I would be supporting. But I'd say Bandana Dee, Geno, and Incineroar. Although Incineroar could get in Geno too. So just these three if they get added then just Bandana Dee.
 

Frosty Pops

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1. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest :ultdiddy:
2. Donkey Kong Country :ultdk:
3. Super Smash Bros. For 3DS / Wii U
4. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze :ultdk::ultdiddy:
5. Golden Sun & The Lost Age (since it counts as one game after all now)
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild :ultlink:
7. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance :ultike:
8. EarthBound :ultness:
9. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn :4myfriends:
10. A few Zelda titles who I rank similary : Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Skyward Sword. :ulttoonlink:
I am sensing you really like DK? Lol
 

Undella2

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If Isaac gets in and has well-made alt costumes, would you rather it be-

4 Young Isaac/4 Matthew

4 Young Isaac/4 Old Isaac

4 Old Isaac/4 Matthew
 

Frosty Pops

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If we go from what we know, last DLC consisted of:
  • :4mewtwo:THE most popular veteran that was planned before.
  • :4feroy::4lucas:The most popular remaining Melee and Brawl veterans, respectively.
  • :4ryu:A really big guest fighter with a genre that was not yet in Smash (I don't think we know much about Ryu's inclusion)
  • :4cloud:A guest character that had most votes from a popular franchise in the ballot (that's also not a super concrete thing)
  • :4bayonetta:Among the characters that can made into a DLC fighter, one that got most votes (at least at the start of the ballot)
  • :4corrin:A character whose game is released but not worldwide yet. Also the only one chosen by development team and not Sakurai.

We can see a Cloud/Ryu and maybe Corrin but anything else will be quiet different from last time.
Actually Bayonetta was already planned and made because they thought that she would score really high on the ballot, but I don't think she even made top 10. Which probably surprised the crap out of them, and also why everyone was mad and confused at her inclusion because almost no one chose her.
 

Luigifan18

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Part of me believes (or wants to believe) that Sakurai and team and/or Nintendo are making fake leaks to throw off the real ones and snuff them out. It wouldn't surprise me if they are doing so.

One of my favorite moments of a fake leak gone mad was from Gravity Falls creator, Alex Hirsch, where he made a fake leak by taking a picture of a "debug?" scene of one of the episodes that would spoil everything. Then he posted it on 4chan, then made an angry tweet about it, then delete said tweet. After the episode in question aired and didn't pay off (but was a great episode nonetheless) with the fake pic, everyone was in shock. Then Alex comes out and says what he did. I laughed and thought that was absolutely brilliant.

Kinda hoping that's what's happening now to keep the real surprises in.
I wouldn't even be surprised if Sakurai pulled a stunt like this.
 

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Part of me believes (or wants to believe) that Sakurai and team and/or Nintendo are making fake leaks to throw off the real ones and snuff them out. It wouldn't surprise me if they are doing so.

One of my favorite moments of a fake leak gone mad was from Gravity Falls creator, Alex Hirsch, where he made a fake leak by taking a picture of a "debug?" scene of one of the episodes that would spoil everything. Then he posted it on 4chan, then made an angry tweet about it, then delete said tweet. After the episode in question aired and didn't pay off (but was a great episode nonetheless) with the fake pic, everyone was in shock. Then Alex comes out and says what he did. I laughed and thought that was absolutely brilliant.

Kinda hoping that's what's happening now to keep the real surprises in.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo passes on "fake" info to some of the subcontractors to make them loose credibility and sniff them more easily.

Oh "Steve" is being talked about? Keep an eye on XYZ.

Also, basically any leaker that is caught would be throwing his/her career out of the window. If they're lucky and don't get sued to oblivion that is.
You don't mess around with these kind of NDAs, which is another reason of why I don't really trust most of the so called "leakers". But we'll see.
 
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Actually Bayonetta was already planned and made because they thought that she would score really high on the ballot, but I don't think she even made top 10. Which probably surprised the crap out of them, and also why everyone was mad and confused at her inclusion because almost no one chose her.
I doubt nobody choose her, she had a lot of fan support during the ballot.
 

FlawedAI

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If Isaac gets in and has well-made alt costumes, would you rather it be-

4 Young Isaac/4 Matthew

4 Young Isaac/4 Old Isaac

4 Old Isaac/4 Matthew
I'd like Isaac's design to be a combination of young/old, maybe aged up to about 17/18, with the trench coat and redesigned armor, but no beard. I'd like 8 alts based on these.
 

LegendOfDragoon

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I'd like Isaac's design to be a combination of young/old, maybe aged up to about 17/18, with the trench coat and redesigned armor, but no beard. I'd like 8 alts based on these.
I agree, let Sakurai give him the pit treatment and have that become his design in a gs1+2 remake to introduce a new generation to Golden sun.
 

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I dunno... I feel like Olimar and Alph sharing a character slot was a mistake. The Koopalings can get away with it since the whole gimmick of the costumes is that every one of them is different, but it's a bit strange to have only a single other character change character completely, especially in the age of echo fighters. Isaac splitting with Matthew would make it feel better, but at that point I feel like I'd want Matthew to just be an echo fighter.

I'd pick the 4 Young Isaac/4 Old Isaac, though I'd be concerned about body proportions. Young Ike was much closer to Old Ike than Young Isaac is to Old Isaac.
 

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I'd pick the 4 Young Isaac/4 Old Isaac, though I'd be concerned about body proportions. Young Ike was much closer to Old Ike than Young Isaac is to Old Isaac.
Yeah, well, Young Ike and Old Ike are 2 years apart. Young Isaac is at JRPG Protagonist age, while Old Isaac is old enough to have a son at JRPG Protagonist age. One of these things is not like the other.
 

Delta64

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I actually would like to see Isaac keep his young design. I could see him having similar height to toon/young Link, maybe a tiny bit bigger. Giving him his younger/smaller size would likely make him more agile than his grown up version. In Golden Sun he is one of the faster characters, the only other characters I know that are faster are Ivan and Sheba (Jenna's agility is close to Isaac's).

When looking at Isaac's other stats we see he has average luck and defense stats, above average HP stat, below average PP, and a high attack stat (second only to Felix). For Smash, I think a character with above average speed (nothing crazy like Greninja or Fox but certainly much faster than Robin), high/above average attack power, and low/below average defense (in other words easy to launch) would fit Isaac quite well.
 

osby

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I actually would like to see Isaac keep his young design. I could see him having similar height to toon/young Link, maybe a tiny bit bigger. Giving him his younger/smaller size would likely make him more agile than his grown up version. In Golden Sun he is one of the faster characters, the only other characters I know that are faster are Ivan and Sheba (Jenna's agility is close to Isaac's).

When looking at Isaac's other stats we see he has average luck and defense stats, above average HP stat, below average PP, and a high attack stat (second only to Felix). For Smash, I think a character with above average speed (nothing crazy like Greninja or Fox but certainly much faster than Robin), high/above average attack power, and low/below average defense (in other words easy to launch) would fit Isaac quite well.
Sounds good. Though they might still change those things a lot for balance reasons, you never knew with RPG characters (looking at you, Ike and Robin).
 

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1-) He used to be a Nintendo character (insert Geno vs Cloud here)
Geno isn't comparable to Banjo at all. Putting aside the fact that Banjo is more well-known than Geno within the gaming community, Geno was never at any point owned by Nintendo whereas Banjo was (the bottom of the back cover of Diddy Kong Racing pretty much proves it) which makes Banjo himself more of a weird and really unusual case within the context of Smash compared to someone like Bayonetta and Geno, characters who were always third-party from the start. Importantly, we know that Microsoft would be willing to have Banjo in Smash thanks to Phil Spencer's tweets whereas there is nothing suggesting Square Enix would even be interested in the idea of Geno being playable in Smash. Cloud isn't comparable to Steve either since he specifically got in due to fan demand, whereas there is nothing suggesting one way or another that Steve is a highly requested character for Smash (a lot of the arguments used to support the idea that Steve would be popular with the "silent majority" was also the same argument used against K. Rool and we all know how those arguments ended up).
 

osby

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Geno isn't comparable to Banjo at all. Putting aside the fact that Banjo is more well-known than Geno within the gaming community, Geno was never at any point owned by Nintendo whereas Banjo was (the bottom of the back cover of Diddy Kong Racing pretty much proves it) which makes Banjo himself more of a weird and really unusual case within the context of Smash compared to someone like Bayonetta and Geno, characters who were always third-party from the start. Importantly, we know that Microsoft would be willing to have Banjo in Smash thanks to Phil Spencer's tweets whereas there is nothing suggesting Square Enix would even be interested in the idea of Geno being playable in Smash. Cloud isn't comparable to Steve either since he specifically got in due to fan demand, whereas there is nothing suggesting one way or another that Steve is a highly requested character for Smash (a lot of the arguments used to support the idea that Steve would be popular with the "silent majority" was also the same argument used against K. Rool and we all know how those arguments ended up).
My intent wasn't to directly compare Geno to Cloud. It's just we've seen comparing third parties based on their bond with Nintendo doesn't always end in one's favor.
 

jweb23

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As far as what character I would support after Isaac gets in...honestly after finally being able to dry my tears of joy, I would most likely start the Mia thread!
 

Highway20

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Hey guys, I been a long time lurker in the Smashboard speculation scene, ever since the Smash Ballot. I'm not the type of person who talks on forums or social media, but I need to show my support for Golden Sun in any way possible. When I first put Isaac's name in the Smash Ballot I didn't think to much of it until I started seeing so much support for him on the Internet. No point telling you guys this but don't ever give up, the sun will shine upon us. Please add me to the support list and thank you.
 

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Xenigma

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Big Minecraft announcement today was a spin-off, it seems.
I have it on in the background just in case. Goes for another ~20 minutes, and would be bizarre to not save something interesting for the end of their show, even if it's highly unlikely to be Smash related.
 

Confirmation

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I think it gives a preview of the voting results before you vote (based on the size of the bar) and from what I saw Phoenix Wright was ahead by a lot...we have a full day though so we'll see what happens
Does anyone else think its weird that the last poll had 2000 more people than ever before?
 

SonicLink125

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Hey, could you sign me up as a supporter as well?
Make sure you pin True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior to be added into the support group.
Edit: Oh, Nevermind. He got you. True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior , you're a real mvp for keeping up with the support list. You rock!

Hey guys, I been a long time lurker in the Smashboard speculation scene, ever since the Smash Ballot. I'm not the type of person who talks on forums or social media, but I need to show my support for Golden Sun in any way possible. When I first put Isaac's name in the Smash Ballot I didn't think to much of it until I started seeing so much support for him on the Internet. No point telling you guys this but don't ever give up, the sun will shine upon us. Please add me to the support list and thank you.
Welcome! Glad that you can join us fellow Adept! If you can, go vote for Isaac. I hear he's facing a very tough foe right now and needs all the help he can get.
 
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Organization XIII

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I don't particularly want both characters in Smash but only things that makes Banjo a 'better' choise is that

1-) He used to be a Nintendo character (insert Geno vs Cloud here)
2-) He's wanted more by long standing fans.

I can easily see him going in from 2, since K.Rool was in a similar situation. But that doesn't mean he objectively is a better choise than Steve.

(And as people said, this thread should be about Isaac, so I'm dropping the discussion, sorry for the interruption)
That's all he needs to be more deserving. Unlike Geno Banjo was actually a Nintendo all Star and someone who would have been in long before now before the buyout. There is no third party more deserving a slot than him because he is actually first party despite his legal status as a third party.
 
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Delta64

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Sounds good. Though they might still change those things a lot for balance reasons, you never knew with RPG characters (looking at you, Ike and Robin).
Yeah I was trying to keep things a little flexible (refer to "low/below average defense"). Also I did not really touch upon moveset, the range on attacks, or any other special abilities (like Lucario's aura or the Little Mac power meter). Personally, I am not that good at predicting a characters moveset. I came up with 3 different movesets for Ridley (prior to his reveal) and the only move I got right was his fireball attack. I think that looking at a character's statistics (attack power, defense, speed, ect.) tends to be much easier and more accurate (and just as fun).
 
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