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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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Hey Tiymako Tiymako you did quite a bit of double posting on the last page there. It's against the rules of the board to double post.

You're supposed to edit your last post, rather than adding new ones (I'd assume it's to avoid one person taking up too much of the forum space, but don't quote me on that).
 

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That recent picture by Sakurai though. Do you guys think it’s a nod to GS? Or are people grasping at straws? Forgive me if this topic has already been covered here.
 

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Hey Tiymako Tiymako you did quite a bit of double posting on the last page there. It's against the rules of the board to double post.

You're supposed to edit your last post, rather than adding new ones (I'd assume it's to avoid one person taking up too much of the forum space, but don't quote me on that).
Oh, sorry about that, I didn't mean to really. Maybe, I just didn't notice it. I keep forgetting that I can just edit and reply with one post. This is still kind of new to me.
 
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That recent picture by Sakurai though. Do you guys think it’s a nod to GS? Or are people grasping at straws? Forgive me if this topic has already been covered here.
I think it as neither. I see it as an opportunity. A genuine chance to have our voice heard. Whether it is a tease or not, intentional or accidental. Heck even a troll.

It is a chance for us to make Isaac known. So raise our flags, show our hands and reach high in the sun to gather Sakurai's attention

EDIT: Jeez, I got over 256 likes in the span of three days. I have more likes here than Facebook
 
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I don't think Sakurai is like that though. I think he genuinely cares about his fans. Most of the time people portray Sakurai is cruel or mean spirited is because he disconfirmed their character or didn't do something people wanted. (but that has nothing to do with cruelty)
Yeah, maybe for us GS-fans that'd be bit needlessly cruel since as of now it'd be directed to a fans of a dead series, no less.

I mostly try to view it from his own perspective of having to deal with so much crap before like that - but it'd be bad business-ship if he went that way.

Nevertheless maybe we could give tweet a rest, just for this hardworking man's sake.
 
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Oh man, I thought I was over Golden Sun, until yesterday. I used to be a huge GS fan when The Lost Age just came out, but interest in the game just wavered. Super SMash has been one of my favorite game series though, although I never owned a Wii and never have seen Isaac as an Assist Trophy. Ever since the picture posted yesterday, I've been watching gameplay, listening music... and my hype for Isaac is completely blown out of proportion. Joining here and discussing it is only going to fuel the flames burning inside me, let's go!

Valkyrie is right. Instead we should think of what stage Isaac should get!
If I have to guess, either Sol Sanctum or Venus Lighthouse. Sol Sanctum started everything off, and a Lighthouse would be very iconic.
 

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I think it as neither. I see it as an opportunity. A genuine chance to have our voice heard. Whether it is a tease or not, intentional or accidental. Heck even a troll.

It is a chance for us to make Isaac known. So raise our flags, show our hands and reach high in the sun to gather Sakurai's attention
Well, it's really working if going by what I've seen so far when scouring through internet last days. Since we're also running lower on feasible and profilic newcomers lately, Isaac's harder to ignore than ever.
 

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I went and backtracked through this board's history (considering we Smash fans are no doubt the most vocal) and even when he was just an AT in Brawl, his support was huge. Wii U he had great support too. It's amazing how much support goes into our boy
 
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Valkyrie is right. Instead we should think of what stage Isaac should get!
There's two I can think of. The most obvious is Venus Lighthouse. However, a close second I see is in the form of Elemental Stars Chamber. It could also just be called Sol Sanctum.


Very unlikely, but somewhat plausible, is that of Vale itself. Vale could make an interesting stage set around the waterfall and river. But Elemental Stars Chamber and Venus Lighthouse would both be far more interesting stages, especially since Elemental Stars Chamber could occasionally turn from water to lava.
 

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They could have Kolima Forest as a stage that turns you into a tree if you're not shielding, which would I don't know, do a whole bunch of damage and freeze you in place.
 

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I've always wanted The Elemental Star chamber. It would be a varied stage with the main large platform in the middle and the smaller ones on the outside. Plus it would just be gosh darn beautiful and I love the music. lol (Anyone who wants to say that the The Elemental Stars music can't work in Smash needs to go take a look at the fact that pieces like Midna's Lament are in the past two SSBs)
 

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I would like the top of Mt. Aleph, with the 4 beams in the background forming the Golden Sun.
With a lengthy Alex/Wise One cameo in the background, recreating the ending scene of The Lost Age.

...would probably be too much work though. But they went through the trouble of creating a huge two-eyed moon as an Assist Trophy, so why not a smaller one-eyed round rock, huh?
 

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With a lengthy Alex/Wise One cameo in the background, recreating the ending scene of The Lost Age.

...would probably be too much work though. But they went through the trouble of creating a huge two-eyed moon as an Assist Trophy, so why not a smaller one-eyed round rock, huh?
That would be so cool, to have these 2 as cameos!
 

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In terms of stages the lighthouses are always the obvious pick as they are the focal point of the story. The Wise One can show up to fix the lighthouse after it split in half or we can have a Saturos/Menardi boss battle. If they want to go with a different stage they can always do Kolima Forest or Sol Sanctum or one of the Rock locations
 

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With how much traction there is in our favour right now and just how much demand there is for any type of Golden Sun representation, even if it doesn't happen this time around, I'd like to think it's only going to be more and more likely from here on out. It's not like we're going to pack up and go home if we're let down again.
Well since the ballot has of course long passed, and the fact that a couple highly requested characters have now made it in, now is most certainly the time for us Isaac fans to be most vocal. It's really important not only for Smash, but the GS series itself. One will lead to other, and seeing how popular he would be in Smash would hopefully convince the Takahashi brothers to finish the series off with another game. I feel like fans were overly critical of Dark Dawn and that is why there is still no sequel to it yet. It wasn't even that bad of a game. We as proponents and supporters of the series should be regretting our disdain for the last game. If Isaac doesn't make it in this iteration of Smash, we may or may not have another chance. To reiterate, the time is very ripe to show Sakurai-san how much we love Golden Sun! I know I do!
 

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Well since the ballot has of course long passed, and the fact that a couple highly requested characters have now made it in, now is most certainly the time for us Isaac fans to be most vocal. It's really important not only for Smash, but the GS series itself. One will lead to other, and seeing how popular he would be in Smash would hopefully convince the Takahashi brothers to finish the series off with another game. I feel like fans were overly critical of Dark Dawn and that is why there is still no sequel to it yet. It wasn't even that bad of a game. We as proponents and supporters of the series should be regretting our disdain for the last game. If Isaac doesn't make it in this iteration of Smash, we may or may not have another chance. To reiterate, the time is very ripe to show Sakurai-san how much we love Golden Sun! I know I do!
The real issue with Dark Dawn was that it released late on the DS lifespan. If they just pushed it back a year or two onto the 3DS it probably would've done far better.
 

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I actually really liked Dark Dawn. It was a bit tedious at times but it's as fun an experience as the other games in my opinion.
 

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I actually really liked Dark Dawn. It was a bit tedious at times but it's as fun an experience as the other games in my opinion.
I really need to get round to completing the games. It's not their fault. Every time I got round to playing them a brand new Mario Kart or Smash came along...I think Christmas I am going to give myself some time to play them
 

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I actually really liked Dark Dawn. It was a bit tedious at times but it's as fun an experience as the other games in my opinion.
My only problem with it was the fact that there was a lot more points of no return. The other two had them but they usually warned you if I remember right and they were always few and far between. Otherwise, the game is masterful.
 

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Valkyrie is right. Instead we should think of what stage Isaac should get!
I always thought either the Elemental Star room or Venus Lighthouse would be a good pick for Isaac.

I would say Sol Sanctum, but I just feel as though the ESR was more visually pleasing. Plus the stage could constantly shift with stone pillars rising out of the water. With the stars shining in the background it could make for a very pretty stage.

My only problem with it was the fact that there was a lot more points of no return. The other two had them but they usually warned you if I remember right and they were always few and far between. Otherwise, the game is masterful.
For me it were the points of no return and the lack of motivation. Your primary goal and reason for setting out on a journey is to get a Roc feather because Garets son is an idgit. Riveting. Granted it does pick up later, but I just could never take it seriously.

Mod Edit: Please don't Double Post. Use the Edit function instead
 
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Well... I think we will get our ultimatum soon, Fighter or AT, Playable or Suporter, is or isn't we will get our awsner one way.
Maybe will be in a trailer soon of his debut
Maybe he will follow Ashley and go to AT graveyard
Maybe his music will appear in the stages that it was in Smash 4
or Maybe he will disapear of the internet until the game is datamined prior release
just time will tell
if our golden sun... will rise
 

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Hmm...I've been thinking. Sakurai might have a pattern regarding how many character reveals he does and how often.

Maybe I should take a peak? I like to do statistics. Did it a while back for Franchise frequency and Direct frequency and that had truth behind it.

But dare I?

Well... I think we will get our ultimatum soon, Fighter or AT, Playable or Suporter, is or isn't we will get our awsner one way.
Maybe will be in a trailer soon of his debut
Maybe he will follow Ashley and go to AT graveyard
Maybe his music will appear in the stages that it was in Smash 4
or Maybe he will disapear of the internet until the game is datamined prior release
just time will tell
if our golden sun... will rise
Oh please don't. Ashley missing out was a bummer. I posted sympathies to that group as I felt bad for them
 

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I've never played a Golden Sun game (I really need to get around to doing that), but I support Isaac. After campaigning for years, I think this is finally Isaac's time. Normally, I would never believe something as silly as Sakurai's tweet, but the the whole red eyes thing and possibly the E3 room hinting at K Rool is making me believe it's really possible. I really hope h makes it this time. I'd like to be added to the supporters list
 

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If Isaac is not in the final roster before Dec as long as he is not an AT DLC is the next best option.
No news is good news. I honestly wonder if Sakurai sees the demand for Isaac, ballot or not.

Even if Felix is an echo fighter it would fill the whole villains vs heroes thing
Even though Felix is not the bad guy

I am thinking in the terms of, who is left?
Sakurai wants to make everyone he can happy.

Ridely, King K Rule, Wolf
he put in the fan favorites

Now look at first party
Skull Kid, Isaac, Bandana Dee

That is all he needs to do to make everyone happy

If we look at 3rd party
Banjo and Geno (Crash too, but not that high of a demand)

That in total is just 5 highly requested newcomers.

I am 50/50 on this.

Isaac will be in smash one way or another I feel.
Sakurai wants to make as many people happy.
 

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Hey guys I've been a supporter for Isaac since the Brawl days. I love the GS games with all my heart and continue to enjoy playing the games time from time. I just want to say I'm extremely happy for what this community has done for The GS series and everything for its revitalization. Hopefully I can help in anyway possible to the campaign. I'd be honored to place my name on the supporters list. Cheers Everyone!
 

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Well... if "Hero vs Villain" can act as "Rivals" so Felix is a rival of Isaac
Well, K. Rool's trailer is called "Rivals".
 
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Tetiro

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Well, K. Rool's trailer is called "Rivals".
Hmm.. I think this is a coincidence rather than a truth. After all wouldn't Simon have a rival? As would Inkling? I've been thinking about it and it makes more sense that people just really REALLY wanted villains (K Rool, Ridley, Dark Samus) and Sakurai listened. It would snap in place with Inklings, Daisy and Chrom.
 
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Frosty Pops

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Well would be a lot cool if Nintendo made a "Ballot direct"
like
"If you remember Bayoneta got the First place in the Ballot, but let's see the other top picks
1. Bayoneta
the camera swoops quickly down and
?. King K.roll
the camera swoops quickly down and
?. Ridley
the camera swoops quickly down and
?. Geno
Geno doll simply gain life and start of his trailer in the title "Geno joins the Party"
after Geno's Trailer we will get another look at the ballot rank

the camera swoops quickly down and
We see a Final Destination stage
Master Hand kill Yoshi
and when Master hand is about to Kill Link another mystical hand appears to save Link
Link look back and see a Young blond Swordsman coming, he just Smiles and raise his sword arm
Its Isaac and his title is "Isaac Lends a Hand" "
Actually Geno shoots for the stars woukd be better lol, also i heard bayonetta was already going to be in the game and was being developed. and the ballot was actually for this game.
 

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Hmm.. I think this is a coincidence rather than a truth. After all wouldn't Simon have a rival? As would Inkling? I've been thinking about it and it makes more sense that people just really REALLY wanted villains (K Rool, Ridley, Dark Samus) and Sakurai listened. It would snap in place with Inklings, Daisy and Chrom.
Well Simon have dracula in story mode...
 

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Neogaf Leaker again, I honestly think this is all bs and he/she is yanking our chains

Alright everyone this will be the very last update I will be giving until Launch since my source won't provide me any information for the future due to various reasons. Any questions you might have after this one I simply can't answer from now on since I am not the source but simply the "deliverer" of the information. And remember, I get this information piece by piece which is why I need to update my current information like last times. With that said I will try to answer as many of your questions you asked here as possible and also I will mention some more surprises that I got.

Who is the "other" Bandai Namco character?

According to the information I got, that character will be Lloyd from the Tales of Series.

What about Skull Kid?

Whoever provided that information was indeed 100% correct. Skull Kid will indeed make an appearance based on his transformations from the "Majora's Mask". But there is something missing on which I am going to get in a minute.

Will there be an adventure mode?

There will indeed be something among those lines. There will be an "upgraded" mode which is a mixture between the Brawl's Subspace and Melee's Adventure Mode.

How can Galacta Knight be playable if he is already used as a skin for Meta Knight?

That you would have to ask Mr. Sakurai himself. I only tell you what I got, I don't know why or how. With that said, some surprises I will be showing to you in a minute will also fall into that category.

Why are you deleting your posts at all?

Let's just say it's part of the "deal" for providing the information, even if it doesn't make sense to some of you.

I guess those weren't any questions here, but here is a little bit more of information I got:
- Boss Battle Mode will be in the game
- There is now an option to switch your characters voices from english to japanese and vice versa
- There will be a new mastermind in the game like Tabuu from Brawl
- The motto "Everyone is here" wasn't only meant for the playable characters


With that out of the way, I mentioned few more surprises. Those who have been following my information until this point will understand why this is surprising. Since this is my very last post I wanted to play a little game and let you figure out who I am talking about. There will be one hint for each surprise I got.

Hint 1 (in relation to the Skull Kid information):

The princess will be happy to see this person again.

Hint 2:

A young man's unstoppable destiny. One will live and one will die.

Hint 3:

Beloved little guy, with blue as his favorite color.

Hint 4:

Dynamic Duo.


That was it for my final information that I got for the game. As always you are free to believe it or not. And I will also delete these posts in a few days.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/supe...videos-and-more.1463068/page-2#post-253388869
 

Frosty Pops

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NOT EVEN CLOSE

"BUT THATS NO GS REFERENCE. LOOK AT THIS BOX ART... DRAGON!!! ... "

I just facepalmed so hard about that.. how could people even compare the two arts
Nintendo payed them to cover it up, it is a conspiracy!!!!
Is what I would say if I thought it was.....but it could be 0_0!
 

Sabrewulf238

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Hmm.. I think this is a coincidence rather than a truth. After all wouldn't Simon have a rival? As would Inkling? I've been thinking about it and it makes more sense that people just really REALLY wanted villains (K Rool, Ridley, Dark Samus) and Sakurai listened. It would snap in place with Inklings, Daisy and Chrom.
This is what I'm thinking too. Sakurai didn't go "hmm this Smash is going to be the Smash Bros for villains". He's just listening to what people want, and Smash Bros having a lack of villains is a common sentiment I've heard. So that was likely reflected in the ballot.
 

Tetiro

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Well Simon have dracula in story mode...
I was more referring to the playable characters. Playable characters tend to be the foot in the door for more content
This is what I'm thinking too. Sakurai didn't go "hmm this Smash is going to be the Smash Bros for villains". He's just listening to what people want, and Smash Bros having a lack of villains is a common sentiment I've heard. So that was likely reflected in the ballot.
It is that Ballot alone which connects the characters. As while Ridley and K Rool have been begged for years, Chrom and Inklings have not. They were popular demand.

Put it like that and Isaac is very likely now
 
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