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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

PhantomShab

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Hey all! Long-time Smash enthusiast here; so glad I found this board and I can't wait to dive into some fun convos with you all!

Was skimming through this thread and I had a quick q: What the **** is "Isaac" and why would anyone spend 768 pages praying for his inclusion in this game? I noticed everyone was melting down when you learned the creators made the reasonable decision not to include a character nobody has ever heard of, so I assume there must be some backstory I'm unaware of.

Excited to see your answers! Smash on, brothers!
Issac is the hero from the RPG series called "Golden Sun". The game centers around the main character named Isaac and his battles against some loser who wastes time making throwaway accounts to make passive agressive **** posts.

Hope that clears things up.
 

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Wish I'd seen the writing on the wall earlier honestly. Nintendo can only go so far as to throw a bone to irrelevant series like us. Even then, it's something we were dreading all along because it likely means he won't be DLC.

But hey, I can live with the sadness. 10 years isn't that long of a wait. I'll only be 26...
I'll be 29. By then i'll probably have finished the whole trilogy so many times I can recite the script blindfolded. Hell, that's the kind of point folks over at DK vine got too...lol. Anyways I figure if a few years pass and we don't get anything I must make my own fangame. Because...why not you know? lol
 

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I'll be 29. By then i'll probably have finished the whole trilogy so many times I can recite the script blindfolded. Hell, that's the kind of point folks over at DK vine got too...lol. Anyways I figure if a few years pass and we don't get anything I must make my own fangame. Because...why not you know? lol
If we make a fangame it’ll gain enough attention that Nintendo will take it down, and make their own game for profit. Happens all the time haha...ha...
 

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Frankly I'm not going to believe anyone who says they made the leak until someone posts a clean picture of the mural.
 

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Hey all! Long-time Smash enthusiast here; so glad I found this board and I can't wait to dive into some fun convos with you all!

Was skimming through this thread and I had a quick q: What the **** is "Isaac" and why would anyone spend 768 pages praying for his inclusion in this game? I noticed everyone was melting down when you learned the creators made the reasonable decision not to include a character nobody has ever heard of, so I assume there must be some backstory I'm unaware of.

Excited to see your answers! Smash on, brothers!
1 message, new account, sounds right.

Do we have any proof outside of him saying so that MTP did this? Because... it's still kinda illegal. He could be tried for damages to the reputations of ACP and Marina considering he willfully staged a leak to make them appear to be at fault, and I highly doubt Eric was fine with this.

I still think he's talking out of his ass.
 

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Frankly I'm not going to believe anyone who says they made the leak until someone posts a clean picture of the mural.
If MTP is crazy enough to spend $20k on Amiibo, he can do this.
 

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As anticlimactic the last character reveals were and that Simon/Richter & K. Rool should have been saved for last, I'm glad it happened that way.

Think about it! After a behemoth like K. Rool got announced, everyone that voted for him started to vote for another character. We finally got the spotlight shined upon us since August and gained so much popularity in such a short time thanks to it. Now people will always have Isaac in their head as a possibility. Maybe not #1, but high enough to be considered whether they played Golden Sun or not. Also helped a lot of people understand that he's more an earth bender than a sword fighter.

The list goes on, but you get the point. With the hard crushing blow of Isaac as an AT, let's cast "Reflux" and send that back as bigger demand for Isaac for DLC. AT promotions don't have the set rule yet, so while the idea seems futile, we won't know till we try. We got this far, let's keep pushing harder, Adepts!
 

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Got to hand it to K rool fans. They were some of the most proud, most passionate, most argumentative, and most loud smash fans in the series history. I was very aware of K rool's demand, even during those couple years I was away from the scene which I mostly spent becoming a fire emblem addict.
Thank you for acknowledging our years of effort. This game just won't feel Ultimate without your golden boy to fight alongside us.
 

Jupiter Ivan

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I’m trying so hard to remain optimistic. And I’M the optimistic one lol. I’m just so exhausted...

I meant what I said when I said I will continue to fight for Golden Sun. Not just Isaac in Smash, but Golden Sun in general. I just hope everyone else here doesn’t give up a couple weeks down the line.

That’s what I’m afraid of most, honestly. Seeing everyone give up. Go quiet. Go dormant until Smash 6...

I’ll give it my best shot. I want us to gather together.

If you haven’t already please join this https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSunRisesAga2

I’m so happy around 80 of you have joined. But we do need more. We need to be like the Blob and absorb as many people as we can.

Don’t worry I have plans for this. It’s not just going to be a glorified “fan counter”. It’s just... I need to rest. I’ll have a detailed post tomorrow about my proposed roadmap going forward...

Goodnight Adepts. May the Sun shine brightly tomorrow.
 

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I've seen no one come up with a nickname for the plant so I got one.

His name is Camelot. He is Waluigi's pet, given to him for christmas one year by a good friend. Said pet was grown for him using Pysenergy by Isaac. Isaac uses Pysenergy to control him like a puppet so he never get's his own hands dirty.
 

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So, we were discussing this in the Discord, and I think it is worth sharing. Let's start with a picture.

https://twitter.com/sora_sakurai/status/373426526064107523?lang=en



This is from a tweet Sakurai made on August 29th, 2013. One year, to the day, later we had Shulk announced for Smash. Sakurai is also on record saying that a new character takes about a year to make from conception to finish.

I still fully believe the Rathalos picture was a Golden Sun reference. Too many coincidences in it. But what if we read the meaning of the picture wrong? Sakurai has a habit of posting teases and hints like this when he is most involved with a character, in the planning and designing stages.

What if the message that tweet was supposed to send wasn't "Isaac is next to be revealed" but "I heard you, I'm working on it"?

So, assuming the timeline still holds, that would mean roughly a year. Assuming less time, because Isaac would be stand alone DLC and not part of a larger game, he might be done by early summer. Just in time for E3. Now then, suppose there was some other announcement at E3 that might make a Golden Sun character much more profitable for Nintendo, much like Corrin was?

Yes, this is a crap ton of conjecture, I won't deny that. But right about now I think we need a little hope, as far fetched as it might be.
 

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Honestly, Im not going to believe Isaac can still be DLC. A AT has never became playable in the same game before, and I doubt Sakurai will male the exception for Isaac.

Its simply though, we just need to be louder. I saw we petition for Matt since he looks just like Isaac, but thats just me. Nevertheless We need to be louder. K. Rool fans are amazing, they made their voices heard and the fruits of their labor were shown. We can accomplish this too.
 

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So, we were discussing this in the Discord, and I think it is worth sharing. Let's start with a picture.

https://twitter.com/sora_sakurai/status/373426526064107523?lang=en



This is from a tweet Sakurai made on August 29th, 2013. One year, to the day, later we had Shulk announced for Smash. Sakurai is also on record saying that a new character takes about a year to make from conception to finish.

I still fully believe the Rathalos picture was a Golden Sun reference. Too many coincidences in it. But what if we read the meaning of the picture wrong? Sakurai has a habit of posting teases and hints like this when he is most involved with a character, in the planning and designing stages.

What if the message that tweet was supposed to send wasn't "Isaac is next to be revealed" but "I heard you, I'm working on it"?

So, assuming the timeline still holds, that would mean roughly a year. Assuming less time, because Isaac would be stand alone DLC and not part of a larger game, he might be done by early summer. Just in time for E3. Now then, suppose there was some other announcement at E3 that might make a Golden Sun character much more profitable for Nintendo, much like Corrin was?

Yes, this is a crap ton of conjecture, I won't deny that. But right about now I think we need a little hope, as far fetched as it might be.
Far fetched? Bro that goes out to freaking Neptune.
 

TheTreasonousSnowmad

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Does anyone thinks there's a possibility of an Isaac fight in the World of Light? That Imprisoned K. Rool spirit showed Mega Man fighting Ghirahim and I doubt it was just a coincidence that it WAS Ghirahim in a Skyward Sword themed event match.
 

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Got to hand it to K rool fans. They were some of the most proud, most passionate, most argumentative, and most loud smash fans in the series history. I was very aware of K rool's demand, even during those couple years I was away from the scene which I mostly spent becoming a fire emblem addict.
I appreciate the sentiment, though most of us do wish other ballot characters could have joined us too. I know especially for Isaac fans we feel nothing but sadness. I hope saying this doesn't feel like rubbing it in your guys' faces. I just... I don't know. I don't have any good words to offer. Just condolences.

I'm sorry, guys. I really am.
 

Fane

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Hopefully Isaac makes the jump from assist to playable in Ultimate via DLC.

Ya'll absolutely deserve it for the absolute absence of just about everything Golden Sun in Sm4sh and missing out on his best chance in Brawl.

Hell, he honestly deserves it far more than other assists imo.
 

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I'll be 29. By then i'll probably have finished the whole trilogy so many times I can recite the script blindfolded. Hell, that's the kind of point folks over at DK vine got too...lol. Anyways I figure if a few years pass and we don't get anything I must make my own fangame. Because...why not you know? lol
I’ll be 38. And that’s too long to wait for a new Golden Sun, or decent Donkey Kong game. But am sort of certain that Ultimate is not even gonna be the last Smash of Sakurai.
 

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I feel most bad for Isaac. But not just him.
Geno (RPG Bros)
Lloyd (RPG Bros)
Ray (Cut AT Bros)
Andy (GBA Bros)
Waluigi (Camelot Bros)
Skull Kid (Sun and Moon Bros)
And so many more. So many great friendships from this fan base.

Sure, we got to see some buddies up there. K. Rool and Ridley. And Mewtwo made it in as DLC in Smash 4.

But it’s so depressing seeing so many crushed dreams among so many friends.
 
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It was a nice ride while it lasted. I'll still be lurking here and on the Discord to support GS
 

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Chin up guys! We have hope. We are now one of the biggest groups in the Smash fandom.

Remember! King K Rool and Ridley are now gone. They are in the game! We're now a huge frontrunner for the Ballot if Sakurai does one again!

It sucks right now. But remember that! If the Smash Ballot happens, we just vote in our large numbers again! And again. And again!

The beauty about the Smash Ballot is that it did work for Ultimate (to an extent). Many characters that were deconfirmed/potential deconfirmed yesterday were actually very popular choices. He knows! He knows Golden Sun matters.

Which means we do have the numbers. The numbers to make the difference. We just need to re-group and add to our cause! We have to bring the joy of Golden Sun to others in the Smash and Nintendo community.

Think about it. Let's say Bandana Dee, Banjo and Geno all got into the roster through DLC. Who REALLY is left should another Smash Ballot arrive that is as big as them? US! That's the big thing a lot of hurt fans are forgetting right now.

Regardless of failure yesterday, our chances are now greater than ever before.

  • Isaac is back! From a fate worse than Assist Trophy (literally just 1 music track in Wii U)
  • Ridley rivalry is gone
  • King K Rool rivalry is gone
  • Chrom rivalry is gone
  • Dark Samus rivalry is gone
  • Many other characters got deconfirmed yesterday. We weren't alone!
  • Our numbers have grown even more
  • After the success of King K Rool and Ridley, they will probably do another Smash Ballot!

The King K Rool lot suffered so much hate and negativity in their time. Being told they will never get their dream. But it happened. The Ballot worked for them. And now another potential rival is gone.

It's only a matter of time before Isaac/Felix/Matthew gets in. But we have to stick together!
 
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Hey guys, I'm from the Incineroar thread. I know it's rough and most of you probably don't like Incineroar all that much right now, but I wanted to apologize for the unfortunate news. I have no knowledge of GS, but I wanted Isaac cause of just how passionate all his fans are. I'll join your support now that my own main is in now, and I'll pray you all get a miracle!

You all are an incredibly impressive fanbase!
 

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Hey guys, I'm from the Incineroar thread. I know it's rough and most of you probably don't like Incineroar all that much right now, but I wanted to apologize for the unfortunate news. I have no knowledge of GS, but I wanted Isaac cause of just how passionate all his fans are. I'll join your support now that my own main is in now, and I'll pray you all get a miracle!

You all are an incredibly impressive fanbase!
I honestly never understood the hate for Incineroar, hell the anime makes him out to be adorable as hell. Still, I choose Decidueye because I prefer him.

Happy you got your character fam, no need to worry about us. We’re used to it lol
 

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I honestly never understood the hate for Incineroar, hell the anime makes him out to be adorable as hell. Still, I choose Decidueye because I prefer him.

Happy you got your character fam, no need to worry about us. We’re used to it lol
Good to see there isn't too much bad blood. I was really hoping Incineroar would be in along with the Grinch leak(Even though I thought it was fake) so everyone could be happy. Almost feels bad to be on the winning side... lol. But still, I hope Sakurai really does do something crazy for you guys
 

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I honestly never understood the hate for Incineroar, hell the anime makes him out to be adorable as hell. Still, I choose Decidueye because I prefer him.

Happy you got your character fam, no need to worry about us. We’re used to it lol
I think it is because a lot of fans of gen 7 were expecting Decidueye. It made the most sense. Especially as he added more to Smash Bros than Incineroar could (nothing bad about Incineroar, but we barely have any Archers in the game yet many brawlers)

To be honest, it was just a bloodbath yesterday. No matter who got in, a lot of fandoms would have been upset. Had Isaac got in, the Pokemon fans would be upset. Or Geno? Same principle.

It was a NO WIN situation yesterday. Very few were going to be happy with the outcome yesterday.
 

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Major plottwist, all of a sudden a new Golden Sun gets announced next major Nintendo Direct and it features a brand new lead character who masters all the 4 elements, and that one character becomes DLC in Smash?

Not a chance that it happens, but yeah, desperation and all...
 

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Hey guys, I'm from the Incineroar thread. I know it's rough and most of you probably don't like Incineroar all that much right now, but I wanted to apologize for the unfortunate news. I have no knowledge of GS, but I wanted Isaac cause of just how passionate all his fans are. I'll join your support now that my own main is in now, and I'll pray you all get a miracle!

You all are an incredibly impressive fanbase!
Thanks, we do appreciate the sentiment!! I may have said it in the Incineroar thread before, but at first I didn't like him only because he was another Pokemon. However, now that I have seen him in action, I maybe starting to warm up to him! Congratulations in getting your Bro Wrestler, I have no bad blood what so ever and none of us should over a video game. I know we are better than most fanboys and I hope to keep it that way with all of you.
 

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I just know that I hope I can make an impact in the smash pro community with my Isaac cosplay plan. I’ll be sure to make my in game tag FreeIsaac. ;)
 

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Frankly I'm not going to believe anyone who says they made the leak until someone posts a clean picture of the mural.
This. I really want to see that mural.

Anyway, I'm not giving up on Isaac DLC despite him being an AT. We have very little precedent for how DLC works given its only happened once so far, and it is known in the past that cut characters can end up as AT's, and AT's are closer to being fighters than anyone. AT's can totally be used as the basis for a fighter via DLC.


Anyway, I'm not going to be around for a while. I need to focus on work. I've been too distracted this past week.
 

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For anyway for us to grow louder and somewhat hopeful again. (And I mean the regular and GS fanbase.)

Someone needs to ask Sakurai about upgradbility of AT's.

Because this is just too confusing. I'm starting to believe that AT's mean something different to Sakurai, or something else to how Smash fans interpret it. Does he believe that fans...enjoy their characters only reaching somewhat potential fighter status?

I haven't slept in 23 hours; and I've thrown up at least once from too much stress. I want answers....

Not just for me, but for all AT's deconfirmed in this version of smash.

I feel...desperate. Anything. I can't just be stuck with this content for the next 10 years.
 
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Well from now on I'll keep links to the petitions and a #IsaacForSmash tag in all of my Golden Sun streams, maybe people will get interrested in them and i'll have some effect.
The best we can do is share all Golden Sun content we can find, fanfics, fanarts, fangames even.
There is someone who wants to do a homebrew set of rules for a Golden Sun campaign in Pathfinder, creating classes based on that of the game.
 
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