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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

N3ON

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People are exaggerating Soren's popularity. Even during the Brawl era, he was outclassed by numerous other FE characters, popularity-wise. Even in Japan. You can ask anyone who was around back then. They're not going to venture a decade back to pluck someone who only ever had an unremarkable supporting role and mediocre demand, especially when their series has so many superior options, still, and they're a poor fit for an echo.

Plus, that wasn't the Brawl poll. The Brawl poll results have never been released. Those are the number of times a character was mentioned in the Japan-only section of the DOJO where Sakurai responded to select submissions, and, as only a small sample garnered replies, they aren't a reliable metric to deduce demand. That page has misled so many people.
 
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It is interesting that Sakurai mentioned Terra, but then we must also take into account that the leaker - who obviously had access to the same info as us - easily could have looked into that interview mentioning Terra, and Soren's presence in the old Brawl polls, and then constructed their leak off of that, just so we'd be coming to this conversation going "Hm... That is maybe plausible." Lol.

Sadly, all they really have going for them at this point is Chrom being an echo fighter of Roy, and while I don't want to take away from the fact that it was a pretty good prediction that went against what many said, it still isn't something that's like "Oh, they must be right!" Now if they had mentioned Richter, that would have been something.
 

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Add me to the list. I need Isaac as a newcomer, Felix as his echo, Jenna or Alex as assist trophies, and Saturos and Menardi as bosses.
 

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Love the Golden Sun games on GBA, as they were a good part of my childhood.

Isaac's best time to get in is now. It's amazing how this thread is the largest of all the potential newcomer threads. Count me in.

Also, I have no doubt that the music team for Smash would love the GS themes. We didn't get to see much of the "Other" section of the music, and let's pray GS music is not there and has its own separate GS tab.
 

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Add me please! I mostly lurk but I've been rooting for Isaacs inclusion since brawl. Thanks!
 

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We are so close to 400 supporters and I love it. The more that show up to back us, the more I feel hopeful that reflected on the ballot. I feared that we were a more quiet group but I'm hoping to be surprised.

If Sakurai is a real troll, he will give us a golden sun desert stage and force players to jump into water every 20 seconds or they take damage!
I don't like the memories you've just reawakened for me.

Has it been said that Lycanroc is somewhat of a "direct competitor" for that character slot given both use Earth based powers?
Subconsciously, I always had that fear but I'm pretty confident that as long as you can have multiple swordsmen, psychics, fist fighters, spellcasters, etc. that you can have two earth-benders. Their conceived movesets cover two different niches of the earth element.
 

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Love the Golden Sun games on GBA, as they were a good part of my childhood.

Isaac's best time to get in is now. It's amazing how this thread is the largest of all the potential newcomer threads. Count me in.

Also, I have no doubt that the music team for Smash would love the GS themes. We didn't get to see much of the "Other" section of the music, and let's pray GS music is not there and has its own separate GS tab.
As long as they put Isaac's theme, Felix's theme, Jenna's theme, Saturos's boss theme, and a few other songs, I will be content. Especially Jenna's theme
 

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but well.. like i said before.. pit/dark pit is basically the same with alts
Oops, I missed this. I guess our "leaker" messed up with Galacta Knight, ha ha. :laugh:

Vergebens leak said no DK rep. So his leak is already wrong. He just got Ridley lucky couse of memes.
Did Vergeben really say no new DK rep? If so, that really hurts his cred... and as far as I've seen, everyone seems to still consider him THE Smash Ultimate leaker. :confused:
 
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If Sakurai wants to add Terra and Soren, then I doubt they would have a higher priority this time right? This game is to appeal on fan demand, not what Sakurai wants, yes he is the developer and he can do what he likes, but this time they decided to listen to fans, just because Sakurai wants Soren and terra does not mean people voted for these in the ballot over their own fan favourites (Ridley, Krool, Isaac etc..), just my thought.
 
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From what I recall, Vergeben wasn't sure about the DK info. Pretty sure loz18 said it was BS and Vergeben agreed. Unless I'm mixing leaks up.
 

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It's like a domino piece.

Mewtwo < Wolf < Ridley < King K. Rool < Isaac & Geno tie.
At that rate, we should have Skull Kid and Banjo & Kazooie too. That would perfectly round out all the popular early-mid 2000s that have been waiting for eons to get a chance.

Man, that would be an epic final reveal trailer. They all have something to do with the sky (Isaac = Sun, Skull Kid = Moon, Geno = Stars, Banjo & Kazooie = Flight) so having a battle take place in the air would be so amazing. Maybe we'd see the giant flaming Smash logo from the Inkling trailer make a return for such a scene and close out the trailer by being the last thing that remains visible as everything else fades out.

Oops, I missed this. I guess our "leaker" messed up with Galacta Knight, ha ha. :laugh:


Did Vergeben really say no new DK rep? If so, that really hurts his cred... and as far as I've seen, everyone seems to still consider him THE Smash Ultimate leaker. :confused:
Neither Verge nor Loz believed that piece of info. They've had their skeptical sources before and they're very transparent about those.
 

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Yo guys. So.. i just googled "Golden Sun" .. and on the the result page i saw the golden sun dark down entry (it is in german couse i am from Austria).. and it says "5 Days ago" .. so why does it exactly states 5 days ago? like it was added 5 days ago to the site or a video was added couse its under videos or what? false hype?

here is the link to my screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/57myxTI#HJKs9K3
 
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If Richter Belmont can get into Smash with Simon, so can Felix with Isaac. This thought alone is the reason why I love Richter, and he will probably be one of my mains in Ultimate.
 

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Add me to the list. I need Isaac as a newcomer, Felix as his echo, Jenna or Alex as assist trophies, and Saturos and Menardi as bosses.
Love the Golden Sun games on GBA, as they were a good part of my childhood.

Isaac's best time to get in is now. It's amazing how this thread is the largest of all the potential newcomer threads. Count me in.

Also, I have no doubt that the music team for Smash would love the GS themes. We didn't get to see much of the "Other" section of the music, and let's pray GS music is not there and has its own separate GS tab.
Add me please! I mostly lurk but I've been rooting for Isaacs inclusion since brawl. Thanks!

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At that rate, we should have Skull Kid and Banjo & Kazooie too. That would perfectly round out all the popular early-mid 2000s that have been waiting for eons to get a chance.

Man, that would be an epic final reveal trailer. They all have something to do with the sky (Isaac = Sun, Skull Kid = Moon, Geno = Stars, Banjo & Kazooie = Flight) so having a battle take place in the air would be so amazing. Maybe we'd see the giant flaming Smash logo from the Inkling trailer make a return for such a scene and close out the trailer by being the last thing that remains visible as everything else fades out.
That would be pretty epic! As you can see in my signature, I would not object to any of them! I'd love them all.
 

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Two supporters away from that 400 guys! It's just amazing how many people are here supporting Isaac.
 

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That would be pretty epic! As you can see in my signature, I would not object to any of them! I'd love them all.
The timing is perfect for them and they're probably the highest remaining on the fanservice radar. I don't know if they're all going to happen but since they already dropped Ridley and K. Rool on us, it really would not surprise me to see them all shown as the final unique newcomers. Together, they make a hype package that's about the only thing that could top who we already have.

Billybae10K Billybae10K might be onto something when he said that a Pokemon newcomer might be the only relevant unique one we get. I still believe Elma and Dee have good odds too, but who knows how many unique newcomers are left?
 

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People are exaggerating Soren's popularity. Even during the Brawl era, he was outclassed by numerous other FE characters, popularity-wise. Even in Japan. You can ask anyone who was around back then. They're not going to venture a decade back to pluck someone who only ever had an unremarkable supporting role and mediocre demand, especially when their series has so many superior options, still, and they're a poor fit for an echo.
Is he really that bad of a fit for a Robyn Echo? Can't he basically use the same tomes?

Man, that would be an epic final reveal trailer. They all have something to do with the sky (Isaac = Sun, Skull Kid = Moon, Geno = Stars, Banjo & Kazooie = Flight) so having a battle take place in the air would be so amazing.
That would be really cool. It could be the new "Red, Blue, Yellow" trailer for Smash Ultimate, but this time it would be "Sun, Moon and Stars" and it would reveal Isaac, Skull Kid and Geno. One can dream. :upsidedown:
 

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Yo guys. So.. i just googled "Golden Sun" .. and on the the result page i saw the golden sun dark down entry (it is in german couse i am from Austria).. and it says "5 Days ago" .. so why does it exactly states 5 days ago? like it was added 5 days ago to the site or a video was added couse its under videos or what? false hype?

here is the link to my screenshot (nintendo at = nintendo austria :p ) : https://imgur.com/a/57myxTI#HJKs9K3
Ok also.. nintendo germany and nintendo switzerland added golden sun dark dawn to their site last weeks

Switzerland: https://imgur.com/eKmRZ5D
Germany: https://imgur.com/a/ujw4ube

Dont know what that means for us
 
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Is he really that bad of a fit for a Robyn Echo? Can't he basically use the same tomes?

That would be really cool. It could be the new "Red, Blue, Yellow" trailer for Smash Ultimate, but this time it would be "Sun, Moon and Stars" and it would reveal Isaac, Skull Kid and Geno. One can dream. :upsidedown:
"Sun, Moon, and Stars" sounds like a Pokemon trailer.
 

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Seriously, I don't think Isaac has ever had such a great chance as of now, considering how well he did on the Ballot of course.

How I see it. Not all will get there, I guess, but, now that Ridley and King K. Rool is shockingly and luckily out of the newcomer speculation thread, I think it's time for these too;

Geno - Perhaps the one who sounds most safe at this moment, due to Sakurai actually sparking interest in the little wooden doll. With Square-Enix content approved, and the lisence for the mii costume, and dedication to fans, Geno sounds awfully safe, which would make me sound crazy, but Ridley and K. Rool does NOT LIE.

Isaac - Because of Rool and Ridz, and the good wave for Geno, Isaac is not that far behind, and even if he were not to be playable, guess who just became the next Rool and Ridz? (Either with, or without Geno 'depending on if he is as safe as I make him out to be) Isaac is the next for a massive cult following! The numbers will rise far beyond 400 now, I'll believe.

Skull Kid - Popular from Brawl, made an AT in Smash 4. The MOON becomes a new AT, and the rambling evil mushroom stealin one of SK's effect, and SK survives 2 AT massacres. While he's biggest rival, Midna, is still an AT. Skull Kid sounds most likely being the newest Zelda character. Remember how Majora's Mask 3D lines very well up with the planning schedual for Smash Ultimate. If he does not appear, let's just use the song of time.

Banjo & Kazooie - Phil Spencer says yes. Team Sakurai nailed Diddy Kong and King K. Rool from Rare ltd, they would nail B&K too. With Belmont in Smash, and all the returning 3rd parties, who are still likely? Rayman? Crash? or Banjo & Kazooie, who during the Ballot was on a hot radar. IF Nintendo wants, they could easily acquire B&K. Still, money and rival console is a motivational and ethical choice Sakurai and co makes. Still, I believe Sakurai views it differently, with him being a valid, and desired character, rather than company barries (At least that's how it seems with the likes of Cloud)

All of these would make sense, and make old fans really happy.
At least this is how I view it, and as I said. I don't believe all of them will make it, but no matter who will, and how many we do get. These are top tier wants for Smashers in the next iteration, or DLC.
 

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Ok also.. nintendo germany and nintendo switzerland added golden sun to their site last weeks

Switzerland: https://imgur.com/eKmRZ5D
Germany: https://imgur.com/a/ujw4ube

Dont know what that means for us
Wow I just checked the Switzerland Google and yep, last week added! Wasn't the Dark Dawn site got taken down? I am sure it did!

I want to believe this has more to do with the 17th anniversary of the series in Japan? Can it be Nintendo plans a resurection of the series? Did they notice the fan outcry in the ballot? Is Camelot going to develop GS 4 after Aces? Ugh way to see signs where there are none!!
 

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The only thing that worries me for Geno is that Sakurai may have only been able to strike an agreement for Cloud, Midgar, the two Midgar songs, the 5 summons, and the Chocobo and Geno mii outfits. I would love to be proven wrong, but so far it feels like he wasn't able to negotiate anything else from Square. And since the Cloud DLC was being put together for Smash 4 as well as in anticipation for Ultimate, that may be all we're getting unless further negotiations go smoothly.
 
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Wow I just checked the Switzerland Google and yep, last week added! Wasn't the Dark Dawn site got taken down? I am sure it did!

I want to believe this has more to do with the 17th anniversary of the series in Japan? Can it be Nintendo plans a resurection of the series? Did they notice the fan outcry in the ballot? Is Camelot going to develop GS 4 after Aces? Ugh way to see signs where there are none!!
If they are going to revive the franchise, they need to do a remake of the first two games. While those games can be on Nintendo's online service if they ever offer GBA games, a remaster would allow the franchise to be marketed to newer players. If that works, maybe have Dark Dawn and the fourth game remastered. I haven't played Dark Dawn, but I know it will need tweaks to its gameplay and story to be received well by fans anew and make the fourth game that much stronger.
 

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Dark Dawn had story beats that blocked off additional content, so the obvious thing to do for a Dark Dawn remake would be to shift those permanently missable things to an accessible location after that story beat or to allow players to backtrack to those areas over again.

As for remakes of the first two games, we could use some sort of indication that the groups that exist in Dark Dawn have some traces in those two games, because as it is they kind of just appear.
 

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The only thing that worries me for Geno is that Sakurai may have only been able to strike an agreement for Cloud, Midgar, the two Midgar songs, the 5 summons, and the Chocobo and Geno mii outfits. I would love to be proven wrong, but so far it feels like he wasn't able to negotiate anything else from Square. And since the Cloud DLC was being put together for Smash 4 as well as in anticipation for Ultimate, that may be all we're getting unless further negotiations go smoothly.
I was maybe thinking that all the Final Fantasy songs in the game yet? I mean; I'm not an expert on game design, but they wouldn't be showing off the final build yet would they?
 

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Isaac is guaranteed to have "Move" in his kit so if there were a replacement Golden Sun AT, I'd much prefer them to be different. Garet or Jenna could be nice if they used Planet Diver, or in Jenna's case, Fume.
Assist Trophies don't have to do only one thing any more. Heck, I think Alucard will be made playable by modders just like Ridley was.

So give us Jenna with her whole arsenal. Dragon Fume, Searing Beam, Flare Storm, and even Cool Aura (she'll heal the person who summoned her before she leaves).

I was maybe thinking that all the Final Fantasy songs in the game yet? I mean; I'm not an expert on game design, but they wouldn't be showing off the final build yet would they?
No, but since all they showed off was the number of songs, in a passing image, there's no reason to not have that be the full number. We'd still be stuck to guess which tracks they were.
 
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Ok also.. nintendo germany and nintendo switzerland added golden sun dark dawn to their site last weeks

Switzerland: https://imgur.com/eKmRZ5D
Germany: https://imgur.com/a/ujw4ube

Dont know what that means for us
Interesting. Did you guys notice if any other updates to those sites took place at the same time? It could've been a general update for the page. But if DD info wasn't there and is suddenly added... :surprised:

Don't wanna get my hopes up, but it's interesting nonetheless. :estatic:
 

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Aura is a party healing psynergy, so it would probably have an area of effect that is strongest for whoever summoned her
 

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Interesting. Did you guys notice if any other updates to those sites took place at the same time? It could've been a general update for the page. But if DD info wasn't there and is suddenly added... :surprised:

Don't wanna get my hopes up, but it's interesting nonetheless. :estatic:
I can't find the info on the page, or in a Google search. But I'm not used to browsing in other languages.
 

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I narrowed down the filter time and well, look what I got.
So UK also updated 5 days ago like Austria.. could be like "Guys go update your pages already" because switzerland did it in june already and germany 2 weeks ago or so

Can you please link to the site itself? I'm not used to navigating the foreign language sites.
https://www.nintendo.at/Spiele/Nintendo-DS/Golden-Sun-Die-dunkle-Dammerung-270902.html
 

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I narrowed down the filter time and well, look what I got.

**** ... All of this in recent times. I'm not kidding, if this was found earlier, I'm sure people would expect him for the direct.
STILL ... Remember how this was kind of like what happened to King K. Rool. Out of the blue, Nintendo copyrighted the character, and the games. Now, look who just got announced.
 

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I'm not sure if that's just typical for them to update the sites every once in a while, but giving any attention at all to a franchise that has been dormant this long does look suspicious.

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**** ... All of this in recent times. I'm not kidding, if this was found earlier, I'm sure people would expect him for the direct.
STILL ... Remember how this was kind of like what happened to King K. Rool. Out of the blue, Nintendo copyrighted the character, and the games. Now, look who just got announced.
I remember those days. I thought it meant nothing, and here we are, one mii costume and playable character later. I'm probably just getting my hopes up, but this might mean good things for us. At the very least, maybe we can hope to see Isaac in the game in some form?
 
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