Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[link3710]

Gonna be very, very emotional here. I write with tears in my eyes.

Given Verge's credibility. This is a hard de-confirmation. No trolling, No Mathew, no secret surprise by insiders to have us blown away. None of that Bull****. It's over. Look out ourselves. We were given a second chance at LIFE. We got cut from the assist roster. We campaigned for the ballot. But it was all for nothing! We spent this whole launch cycle talking about how F****** ensured he was after Ridley. And after K rool. We NEVER looked at the bigger picture. The truth is...WE. NEVER. HAD. A. CHANCE! I'm saying this with tears in by eyes. But look at the view count of this thread. 200. That's right, a "major" character just got deconfirmed and only 200 showed up.


The bigger truth is. We're the only one's that cared. As far as the media is concerned this "Victory" should be amazing to all 200 golden sun fans left in the world. Why is that all the videos on youtube would always prop up Geno, K rool, and Ridley? Never touching Isaac? Because, as far as they're concerned we're ants. 890,000 views? 28,500 reply's? Doesn't matter to them. NEVER mattered to them. "It's an anime JRPG character" they said. No one ever talked about him out of this group. So here we are again. Forced to accept our fates kicking and screaming. We never had a platform to present ourselves from. We never had someone before Billy to prove we exist. So...no wonder the worst comes....

I'll go down with the ship. It's been an honor.

Hold on a minute. Every other leaker is claiming Isaac is in. The leaker who originally claimed Simon before Verge bandwagoned onto that said he's in. Only Emily hasn't said he's in for sure, she left it vague either way. Are you really going to take one lone leaker against everyone else, the Rathalos tweet, the Golden Sun item and the Grinch leak? A leaker, who mind you, has consistently gotten something wrong in every single leak he's ever done, if not the entire leak?

 

[Undella2]

Gosh darn, we really need some positivity in this thread.

Look.

For GS content...

If Isaac somehow, someway doesn't get it, then...

We will settle for Felix...

We will settle for Matthew...

We will settle for Jenna...

We will settle for Menardi...

We will settle for Karis, if that is what it takes...

But we will get the Golden Sun to rise again on these tearstained hills...

Whatever. It. Takes.

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

Im pretty sure hes just using our fear of Isaac being de-confirmed as a method of stirring a pot.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

even if isaac and geno are totally in and the grinch leak ends up fake, i will gladly go down with the grinch

it's been an honor

^_^7 *salute*

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

I'll personally watch the direct alone on the official channel with a cup of coffee, some halloween candies and without any kind of interference. Maybe throw a few comments in the chat when there's no important stuff going on. Then'll look for my favorite youtubers's reaction videos. I like it better that way.

 

[Quetzal77]

Honestly if Isaac is deconfirmed, everyone in this thread should do everything we can to get Nintendo and Sakurai to notice the demand for DLC. And I agree that we should support Felix or Matthew as well. Yeah there will be people saying "you shouldn't spam Nintendo", but honestly... being quietly supportive has gotten us nowhere. Ridley and K Rool fans were certainly not quiet. Geno fans are definitely not and I doubt they will if Geno is also deconfirmed.

The fact is Isaac polls just as high as these and other characters that insiders and YouTube channels discuss all the time. I like Gamexplain but it really annoys me how they (well, mostly Andre to be fair) always write Isaac off as if he's some nobody, just because he looks like another anime sword boy. And it feels like a few others around the web do the same. He's a very popular choice and he should be discussed with the same respect as any other character consistently ranking with the top wanted fighters.

But if he's deconfirmed again then obviously him always polling high isn't enough. So tweet Nintendo, write to them in some other way, make YouTube videos discussing Isaac/Golden Sun... anything we can to build up support for DLC and get Nintendo's and Sakurai's attention.

 

[Pakky]

I'm rooting for you guys cuz this is some bull.

 

[3DSNinja]

I definitely want Isaac in Ultimate. Put me down as a supporter.

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

Honestly if Isaac is deconfirmed, everyone in this thread should do everything we can to get Nintendo and Sakurai to notice the demand for DLC. And I agree that we should support Felix or Matthew as well. Yeah there will be people saying "you shouldn't spam Nintendo", but honestly... being quietly supportive has gotten us nowhere. Ridley and K Rool fans were certainly not quiet. Geno fans are definitely not and I doubt they will if Geno is also deconfirmed.

The fact is Isaac polls just as high as these and other characters that insiders and YouTube channels discuss all the time. I like Gamexplain but it really annoys me how they (well, mostly Andre to be fair) always write Isaac off as if he's some nobody, just because he looks like another anime sword boy. And it feels like a few others around the web do the same. He's a very popular choice and he should be discussed with the same respect as any other character consistently ranking with the top wanted fighters.

But if he's deconfirmed again then obviously him always polling high isn't enough. So tweet Nintendo, write to them in some other way, make YouTube videos discussing Isaac/Golden Sun... anything we can to build up support for DLC and get Nintendo's and Sakurai's attention.

This passive shtick we have going isn't gonna work anymore. Roger's base is right. We are NOT loud enough.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

This passive shtick we have going isn't gonna work anymore. Roger's base is right. We are NOT loud enough.

So you have inside information and Isaac is deconfirmed? Got any sources to back it up?

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Going back to GameXplain really quick, I just wanted to say that it seems like they're biased for particular franchises and barely give any spotlight to the ones they aren't interested in. As a Mother fan who used to watch their videos, they would briefly mention Mother-related content in Smash and then go super in depth with other ones. I don't know who at GameXplain it was, but don't let their doubts about Issac bring down your hope.

It doesn't matter whose inside source says what, it doesn't matter what Verge says, it doesn't matter what GameXplain thinks, there is always hope. You can have all the hope you want for Issac and that's a great thing! It's brought this community of Issac supporters together. The difference is, not to let your hope manifest into an expectation. It's sorta like gambling, you're betting on a 50/50 shot that Issac is in, and if he isn't? Disappointment, unfortunately.

So to all the Issac fans, good luck on Thursday. It is undeniable that this community is one of the strongest when it comes to requesting characters. I mean 715 pages? That's amazing! So don't let all of this negativity get to you guys. If anything, go out with a bang. Keep on supporting Issac until the very last second!

 

[Organization XIII]

Let's not forget Verge has stolen leaks before. He's basically piggybacking off of Emily and extrapolating that the assist she was talking about being Isaac.
EDIT: Also Stealth said Isaac wasn't in so he probably used both of them for his current "leak"

 

[ZelDan]

Hold on a minute. Every other leaker is claiming Isaac is in. The leaker who originally claimed Simon before Verge bandwagoned onto that said he's in. Only Emily hasn't said he's in for sure, she left it vague either way. Are you really going to take one lone leaker against everyone else, the Rathalos tweet, the Golden Sun item and the Grinch leak? A leaker, who mind you, has consistently gotten something wrong in every single leak he's ever done, if not the entire leak?

What other leakers, out of curiosity? Only one I know of is Mystic.

 

[cybersai]

While insiders info conflict, keep in mind the Grinch leak itself seems to be fake. So who knows.

Temper expectations.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

While insiders info conflict, keep in mind the Grinch leak itself seems to be fake. So who knows.

It is more believable than all of the "leakers" who claim it is fake without stating what their "sources" say are the full roster. If they do not have the full roster then they are just guessing like the rest of us and hoping they can piggyback off of other "leakers" information.

 

[Mav485]

Considering he posted this inside of the thread based on the “info” Emily Rogers was espousing, it feels like Verge is trying to piggyback off it and either guess or clarify the situation. I lean towards guess because I feel like if he had actual info he could/would post his own thread about it. Just seems more plausible.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

Let's not forget Verge has stolen leaks before. He's basically piggybacking off of Emily and extrapolating that the assist she was talking about being Isaac.

Emily has changed stances 25 times today alone

The last one I saw had Isaac in.

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

Haha look its Disneys very own,
"Isaac the Friendly Earth Adept"

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

So you have inside information and Isaac is deconfirmed? Got any sources to back it up?

I do have a story actually. But I don't imagine many will care. You familiar with Sephazon? He's a writer who used to work for the pokemon company. Currently lives in japan. For the last week he's gotten onto the Papa Geno's discord server every night to talk with the folks who think the leak is real, or in my case, used too. He was nice. So I was nice back. I kept trying to be loud and proud in that server about my confidence in Isaac. He was honestly kind of weird about his reposnces to my questions. I asked him about Isaac. "It's weird" he'd say. I'd joke about the leak, he'd be dead serious. So today we got onto a the voice channel right? Before then he said he was so confused he'd begun to think Isaac was a DLC pick. Me and a ton of folks are talking to him. I get to ask him what he think's of emily, he say's she's untrustworthy to my surprise. And at one point I flatly ask him. "Based on what you heard and what you believe, how many characters do you honestly believe are left?" and he say's "Based on what i've heard, only 2." Alluding to Kencinroar. So what happen's after that? Some dude in the voice channel goes on a like...5 minute mini rant about how he believed that wasn't the case. And he randomly drops from the server. Say's he's out. I tell him bye cause i'm trying to be friendly ya know. And literally a minute or two after he drops, Vergeben make's his comment. I want to think that he knew some stuff was about to go down, and was trying to be kind. Cause he knew i'd get emotional. I said so myself multiple times the past several days.

 

[StrawHatX]

So you have inside information and Isaac is deconfirmed? Got any sources to back it up?

Right?

 

[Organization XIII]

Emily has changed stances 25 times today alone

The last one I saw had Isaac in.

Maybe so but I just know her latest thing had that the banner was fake because characters that are actually ATs are on it plus with Stealth saying Isaac wasn't in he likely just combined those two for his leak.

 

[Rummy]

As someone who wished for K Rool for a very long time. In these tying times, please remember to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
NEVER GIVE UP!!
I think Isaac has a chance. So does the leak in general. If his fate as a AT is set, we'll know mid direct. Don't take Verg's words to heart. Fight with evidence.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I do have a story actually. But I don't imagine many will care. You familiar with Sephazon? He's a writer who used to work for the pokemon company. Currently lives in japan. For the last week he's gotten onto the Papa Geno's discord server every night to talk with the folks who think the leak is real, or in my case, used too. He was nice. So I was nice back. I kept trying to be loud and proud in that server about my confidence in Isaac. He was honestly kind of weird about his reposnces to my questions. I asked him about Isaac. "It's weird" he'd say. I'd joke about the leak, he'd be dead serious. So today we got onto a the voice channel right? Before then he said he was so confused he'd begun to think Isaac was a DLC pick. Me and a ton of folks are talking to him. I get to ask him what he think's of emily, he say's she's untrustworthy to my surprise. And at one point I flatly ask him. "Based on what you heard and what you believe, how many characters do you honestly believe are left?" and he say's "Based on what i've heard, only 2." Alluding to Kencinroar. So what happen's after that? Some dude in the voice channel goes on a like...5 minute mini rant about how he believed that wasn't the case. And he randomly drops from the server. Say's he's out. I tell him bye cause i'm trying to be friendly ya know. And literally a minute or two after he drops, Vergeben make's his comment. I want to think that he knew some stuff was about to go down, and was trying to be kind. Cause he knew i'd get emotional. I said so myself multiple times the past several days.

And what are his sources? "Based on what I've heard" can relate to the other "leakers" and is just hearsay.
I find it very strange that you do not mention exactly what he said or more about the roster.
Note: Has he been able to prove he works for the Pokemon Company? Any credentials, LinkedIn accounts? If not then he is a total sham.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Man i say it ain't over till the first if ya want to stay sorrowful be my guest but just pick yourself up at the end it ain't over who cares what Vergeben says the dudes lame i'll believe till the end

 

[Germaniac]

I've been a member of the Discord server for quite some time, count me in for the supporter list!

 

[GoodGrief741]

While insiders info conflict, keep in mind the Grinch leak itself seems to be fake. So who knows.

Temper expectations.

I don’t know, it seems real enough from where I stand.

I do have a story actually. But I don't imagine many will care. You familiar with Sephazon? He's a writer who used to work for the pokemon company. Currently lives in japan. For the last week he's gotten onto the Papa Geno's discord server every night to talk with the folks who think the leak is real, or in my case, used too. He was nice. So I was nice back. I kept trying to be loud and proud in that server about my confidence in Isaac. He was honestly kind of weird about his reposnces to my questions. I asked him about Isaac. "It's weird" he'd say. I'd joke about the leak, he'd be dead serious. So today we got onto a the voice channel right? Before then he said he was so confused he'd begun to think Isaac was a DLC pick. Me and a ton of folks are talking to him. I get to ask him what he think's of emily, he say's she's untrustworthy to my surprise. And at one point I flatly ask him. "Based on what you heard and what you believe, how many characters do you honestly believe are left?" and he say's "Based on what i've heard, only 2." Alluding to Kencinroar. So what happen's after that? Some dude in the voice channel goes on a like...5 minute mini rant about how he believed that wasn't the case. And he randomly drops from the server. Say's he's out. I tell him bye cause i'm trying to be friendly ya know. And literally a minute or two after he drops, Vergeben make's his comment. I want to think that he knew some stuff was about to go down, and was trying to be kind. Cause he knew i'd get emotional. I said so myself multiple times the past several days.

Anyone who truly, honestly believes we are only getting Ken and Incineroar is delusional or got baited to hell and back. Glad to hear that the guy was nice about it or whatever, but it’s the truth.

 

[VexTheHex]

Yeah, coming from the guy that said only incineroar and ken are left. "Let's make a 40 min direct on those two!" We'll see...

There is Spirits Mode and the other modes to cover in addition to any news in regards to new stages and the like. I could see there being more than 2 for sure, but I also don't think it's 40 minutes just for reveals. My guess is 4 + all the modes, assists, pokeball pokemon, items, etc could cover this.

Haha look its Disneys very own,
"Isaac the Friendly Earth Adept"

Logged back on just to say that is adorable, he'd be a cute Disney Prince.

 

[DCavalier]

Just stop worrying guys.
Let things happen, good or bad.

 

[Nazyrus]

Verge just put the final nail on his coffin, that's all i'm gonna say… (probably other insiders believing what they heard is not herring when it actually is, they are totally lost in what they believe now).
Edit: also they are not gonna spend too long on spirits and other modes because they don't want to spoil all the content. Spirits will probably showcase a few mins of a level or something and take it as segway for a CGI reveal of some of the newcomers. That's it. Then they will move on with other stuff or more newcomer trailers and small modes that will take only a few mins too.

 

[OpticalBlast]

I honestly don't know how to feel about Isaac anymore, but I'm pretty sure we're not ending on Kencineroar lol

 

[Nazyrus]

I honestly don't know how to feel about Isaac anymore, but I'm pretty sure we're not ending on Kencineroar lol

Definitely not. If that was it, they would've ended with K rool and Ridley instead as their last big shot. This just means they got bigger things in their sleeves. Probably what we have with the grinch leak.

 

[tamagone]

Really, though. Don't give up. Stay determined! We can't have a literal 40 minutes direct be all kencineroar and spirits! And no, no spirits gameplay either, i'm 100% sure that would be shown at the Treehouse later.

We can do this, everyone!

 

[EricTheGamerman]

To have kept Isaac this long as an assist trophy would actually be complete and utter bull****. There’s no reason to have held back his assist trophy until release. That’s actively making anti-hype for the game for crying out loud.

I really hope Sakurai doesn’t just slaughter the remaining highly requested characters with snow globe hell. I’d actually be really pissed and I’d not hesitate to say that Sakurai completely miss managed those characters and would deserve some criticism.

I know people will take it as a victory for getting him in at all, but honestly, we’re edging towards a disturbing trend where realizable characters are given complex assist trophy move sets. I don’t see that as the favorable alternative (which I know isn’t the most favorable opinion around sometimes). If you’re going to go through the trouble of bringing back such a highly requested character, I really think assist trophy isn’t enough. We have loved a character and supported him through the years to get so close and then also have him guaranteed to never show up because he was turned into an assist trophy. An assist trophy in the days of DLC seems to be a death sentence for Smash.

So, no I refuse to believe they brought him back with all of the love and support with an assist trophy. I really do not want to eat my words and I hope the tweet and the seemingly Golden Sun item is enough evidence towards his inclusion as playable. Honestly, assist trophy is not a be thankful for what you got situation to me at all.

 

[PokiehlthePoet]

So you have inside information and Isaac is deconfirmed? Got any sources to back it up?

I think Space is a low-key troll...

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

And what are his sources? "Based on what I've heard" can relate to the other "leakers" and is just hearsay.
I find it very strange that you do not mention exactly what he said or more about the roster.
Note: Has he been able to prove he works for the Pokemon Company? Any credentials, LinkedIn accounts? If not then he is a total sham.

Why do I need to say more than what's obvious? It's pretty much exactly how stuff went down. Do I really need to get exact word for word quotes? Well I can't it was voice. Why is that strange? What, do you think i'm in on some conspiracy garbage right now? Believe you me, if I was an insider I would NOT use a username like "SpaceKing12" lol. Anyways. His credentials. It really isn't hard. Just search Sephazon on google.

 

[Deleted member]

But but but......

 

[TappyBat]

Why do I need to say more than what's obvious? It's pretty much exactly how stuff went down. Do I really need to get exact word for word quotes? Well I can't it was voice. Why is that strange? What, do you think i'm in on some conspiracy garbage right now? Believe you me, if I was an insider I would NOT use a username like "SpaceKing12" lol. Anyways. His credentials. It really isn't hard. Just search Sephazon on google.

we're not ending with some clone and a ****ing cat. no way. 40 minutes for green mode and those are our last fighters? **** off with that ****!

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Why do I need to say more than what's obvious?

How in the world is it obvious? I asked you for credentials and a LinkedIn account. Nintendo employees have a LinkedIn account.

Do not expect me to believe what you are saying without evidence. I cannot take you on your word when all I asked was for more clarification.

What, do you think i'm in on some conspiracy garbage right now? Believe you me, if I was an insider I would NOT use a username like "SpaceKing12" lol.

For someone who was asked for clarification and evidence, you are sure getting defensive.
Edit: I never claimed you were an insider, I asked if he gave you anything to prove he actually has proof in anything he claims.

Why is that strange?

Because without solid evidence I have to take you at your word and nothing else. And you have yet to state if the person works for the Pokemon company or not based on any given LinkedIn accounts.

 

[NukeA6]

Make me a supporter. And **** Vergeben.

 

[Nazyrus]

To have kept Isaac this long as an assist trophy would actually be complete and utter bull****. There’s no reason to have held back his assist trophy until release. That’s actively making anti-hype for the game for crying out loud.

I really hope Sakurai doesn’t just slaughter the remaining highly requested characters with snow globe hell. I’d actually be really pissed and I’d not hesitate to say that Sakurai completely miss managed those characters and would deserve some criticism.

I know people will take it as a victory for getting him in at all, but honestly, we’re edging towards a disturbing trend where realizable characters are given complex assist trophy move sets. I don’t see that as the favorable alternative (which I know isn’t the most favorable opinion around sometimes). If you’re going to go through the trouble of bringing back such a highly requested character, I really think assist trophy isn’t enough. We have loved a character and supported him through the years to get so close and then also have him guaranteed to never show up because he was turned into an assist trophy. An assist trophy in the days of DLC seems to be a death sentence for Smash.

So, no I refuse to believe they brought him back with all of the love and support with an assist trophy. I really do not want to eat my words and I hope the tweet and the seemingly Golden Sun item is enough evidence towards his inclusion as playable. Honestly, assist trophy is not a be thankful for what you got situation to me at all.

And also after that rathalos tweet tease… yeah there is no way Sakurai would do something like this. He doesn't blue ball like that. He confirms and debunks on the spot. Stay hype everyone, we are getting our boi.