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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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My big hopes for the roster after all is said and done (including future dlc) would be these 5 characters
Geno
Isaac
Banjo kazooie
Shantae
(This last one is a one in a million shot)
Saki Amamiya from sin and punishment
Honestly, Saki is way more likely than Shantae.
 

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Did you read what the person wrote? He said that Banjo was prime DLC bait. That makes it sound like, they planned from the beginning that they were only going to add his as DLC in that scenario which would indeed be holding back for DLC. But even still any character planned for DLC from the outset is a bad business practice. A company should have any plans for DLC till the game goes gold.
Sure, I read it but that's not the problem. You suggested that planned DLC is always garbage. And that it's so called "holding back".

Mewtwo was planned for Smash For before that game went gold. It's always a good thing to look to the future when doing, well, anything. Game development specifically. If they don't have a plan for what's next BEFORE the game goes gold what are they going to do? Mad dash to figure out who's popular, relevant, exciting, and profitable within the span of a month? That's not possible.

The fact of the matter is DLC has to be AT LEAST planned before the game goes gold. If not they're just sitting there letting the development team twiddle their thumbs while the higher ups research who should get in. That's not at all business smart. Planning DLC is NOT anti consumer. Delivering an unfinished product and selling the rest of it through DLC definitely is but as you can see that's not what's happening with Ultimate. Definitely.

A lot of people think that DLC is a bad word and working on it before release is a sin but in actuality it's exactly what needs to happen so we're not waiting an entire year for two characters. Imagine. If Mewtwo hadn't been planned and worked on during For's development cycle, we may not have gotten him till at least October of 2015. Working on DLC mid development is only a negative when it's at the cost of the quality of the game itself.
 

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Sure, I read it but that's not the problem. You suggested that planned DLC is always garbage. And that it's so called "holding back".

Mewtwo was planned for Smash For before that game went gold. It's always a good thing to look to the future when doing, well, anything. Game development specifically. If they don't have a plan for what's next BEFORE the game goes gold what are they going to do? Mad dash to figure out who's popular, relevant, exciting, and profitable within the span of a month? That's not possible.

The fact of the matter is DLC has to be AT LEAST planned before the game goes gold. If not they're just sitting there letting the development team twiddle their thumbs while the higher ups research who should get in. That's not at all business smart. Planning DLC is NOT anti consumer. Delivering an unfinished product and selling the rest of it through DLC definitely is but as you can see that's not what's happening with Ultimate. Definitely.

A lot of people think that DLC is a bad word and working on it before release is a sin but in actuality it's exactly what needs to happen so we're not waiting an entire year for two characters. Imagine. If Mewtwo hadn't been planned and worked on during For's development cycle, we may not have gotten him till at least October of 2015. Working on DLC mid development is only a negative when it's at the cost of the quality of the game itself.
I highly disagree. A game going gold is when the game is considered complete and at that point and only that point should DLC ever be planned. Taking time away from game development to even plan DLC is not something I agree with. DLC isn't anti-consumer by nature I agree but many commonplace DLC practices are. As for only having a month to plan DLC that's false they have as much time as they want because the game is already out. I won't say there are no deadlines in producing DLC but there's no need to have all the DLC planned out by the day the game is launched.
 

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I highly disagree. A game going gold is when the game is considered complete and at that point and only that point should DLC ever be planned. Taking time away from game development to even plan DLC is not something I agree with. DLC isn't anti-consumer by nature I agree but many commonplace DLC practices are. As for only having a month to plan DLC that's false they have as much time as they want because the game is already out. I won't say there are no deadlines in producing DLC but there's no need to have all the DLC planned out by the day the game is launched.
Not planning at all during development would mean that we wait a year for any content at all. Which would mean purchasers losing interest and the overall profits of the DLC being overall disappointing to say the least. If a game HAS to go gold before DLC is even thought about it's a waste of resources on both the developers and Nintendo's part. It's not business smart and it's not logical to wait so long to start planning.

The entire DLC season doesn't have to be planned but one or two characters definitely SHOULD otherwise we end up losing interest in the game before DLC has even begun.
 

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Not planning at all during development would mean that we wait a year for any content at all. Which would mean purchasers losing interest and the overall profits of the DLC being overall disappointing to say the least. If a game HAS to go gold before DLC is even thought about it's a waste of resources on both the developers and Nintendo's part. It's not business smart and it's not logical to wait so long to start planning.

The entire DLC season doesn't have to be planned but one or two characters definitely SHOULD otherwise we end up losing interest in the game before DLC has even begun.
No. First DLC can revitalize interest so I don't feel it's that big a deal for a wait and it makes no sense how you're claiming it's a waste of resources. Unless all the artists and coders are done by this point then sure I guess it could be a waste of resources and they are free to start on DLC because the game is done at that point anyway however that's not when DLC is planned they will split the force who could still be working on the main game which isn't a waste of resources. Besides, they likely won't have finished every character in time for base and at that point finish them for DLC which would make for some quick DLC if it's that important to keep up momentum. Still this is just my ideal way to make DLC, the only time planning DLC is scummy is when its designed from the outset of development.
 

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I like to imagine there's an ordinal master list of characters written in hiragana on a napkin or saved in a Notepad doc somewhere and it's like

Smash Ultimate Char List v. Final

Inkling
Ridley
Simon/Richter (both?) (call konami) (snake?!) (call kojima for his birthday next week)
K.Rool
Tom Nook Isabelle
Isaac
Geno (ask for music rights this time!)
A pokeman
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Banjo
Shantae
Goku
ect.

And at some point he just drew that line, wrote DEC 7TH in all caps in the margin and said alright that's all we can fit, rest is DLC, throw in echoes if you have any spare time.
 
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Except that most, if not all, of his "leaks" were guessed by someone else first. To me it looks like he picked through everybody else's predictions and chose what he thought were the safest bets. Which is why he missed K. Rool and getting close to half of the other characters so far. Now all I am waiting for is a complete miss when one of his "safe bets" is flat out wrong.
I disagree. K. Rool was a far more popular character choice in leaks than Simon Belmont. Like way more popular. In fact, Simon was almost never discussed before Verge became super confident in him. He made it cool. And there’s no way that that was a safer bet than K. Rool. Especially before e3, when Snake hadn’t even been revealed. Speaking of which, people really undersell Vergeben getting Snake and Ridley. People were not confident in Snake at all before he was announced. Konami was not okay, and the original reason Snake was added (request of Kojima) seemed to be irrelevant due to Kojima being forced out of Konami. And Ridley was considered a pipe dream by most people. I mean if you looked at the Ridley thread before Ultimate was unveiled, it was sad. They were extremely defeated.

I feel like hindsight reeaally effects people’s judgement of Veg. You don’t need to take everything he says as gospel, but I genuinely find it foolish to doubt that he knows what he’s talking about. There’s a reason 99% of leaks copy him. And why hardly anyone even mentioned Simon until Verge made it cool. And why everyone assumes Ken and Incineroar are the next in line for Smash. He’s earned his street cred. And while I don’t take anything he says as 100% confirmed, I do think that it definitely comes from a place of knowing and that he should be taken seriously.
 

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I mean I'm aware but it was a hypothetical and for base Banjo would be more deserving of a slot than Geno.


Holding back characters for DLC is garbage and not something we should ever expect or be ok with. And regardless my opinion is if Sakurai is going to add a third party none is more worthy of a spot than Banjo.
We don't know the time frame that they have been allowed to complete the characters. So for all we know they were told to finish what base characters they could, then finish the ones that would sell better as DLC. Banjo would probably sell alot easier than Geno as he is more popular with players as a whole.
 

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We don't know the time frame that they have been allowed to complete the characters. So for all we know they were told to finish what base characters they could, then finish the ones that would sell better as DLC. Banjo would probably sell alot easier than Geno as he is more popular with players as a whole.
Ok but that's garbage. If characters are not put on base because they can generate more money as DLC that's a really garbage tactic. Also I should point the person was talking about the like the best roster for base and in my opinion putting Banjo instead of Geno on base is a better roster because I think he is a better choice. No problems with Geno just my opinion on what would result in a better base roster.
 

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No. First DLC can revitalize interest so I don't feel it's that big a deal for a wait and it makes no sense how you're claiming it's a waste of resources. Unless all the artists and coders are done by this point then sure I guess it could be a waste of resources and they are free to start on DLC because the game is done at that point anyway however that's not when DLC is planned they will split the force who could still be working on the main game which isn't a waste of resources. Besides, they likely won't have finished every character in time for base and at that point finish them for DLC which would make for some quick DLC if it's that important to keep up momentum. Still this is just my ideal way to make DLC, the only time planning DLC is scummy is when its designed from the outset of development.
If this really is the stance you personally feel for your ideal DLC scenario then I implore you to take bias out of it and reread my stance while taking into account what's best for the fans, the development team, Nintendo, and the game itself.
 
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If this really is the stance you personally feel for your ideal DLC scenario then I implore you to take bias out of it and reread my stance while taking into account what's best for the fans, the development team, Nintendo, and the game itself.
I agree, there is no possible way to have all of the characters that they want to add finished by December. So they take what they know they can finish and crack down on those characters. And they at least have the rest of the characters on standby so as soon as teams finish the base roster they can befin work on the first round of DLC. Having a deadline is not a bad thing, the game will be "finished" with all old characters and newly announced characters complete. All the music compositions, revamped stages, etc. To complain that planning DLC is bad...there is so much more in this Smash game than any other already that it is ignorant to imply that they would leave things out on purpose, when they are working so hard to finish this massive undertaking of a game.
 

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So I think we can agree the guy who leaked Steve is as useful as Veggiebun let's just go with the flow till the game launches
 

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I agree, there is no possible way to have all of the characters that they want to add finished by December. So they take what they know they can finish and crack down on those characters. And they at least have the rest of the characters on standby so as soon as teams finish the base roster they can befin work on the first round of DLC. Having a deadline is not a bad thing, the game will be "finished" with all old characters and newly announced characters complete. All the music compositions, revamped stages, etc. To complain that planning DLC is bad...there is so much more in this Smash game than any other already that it is ignorant to imply that they would leave things out on purpose, when they are working so hard to finish this massive undertaking of a game.
I literally said that having things that weren't feasible to be finished for the base as DLC was acceptable. I'm only talking about the situations where they make the decision to actually make something DLC not motivated by time constraints but what makes the most money.

If this really is the stance you personally feel for your ideal DLC scenario then I implore you to take bias out of it and reread my stance while taking into account what's best for the fans, the development team, Nintendo, and the game itself.
A lesson I've learned is there is no one true answer to what is most beneficial or efficient. Your solution has some merit however so does mine. You can't convince me that what you say is the best thing for consumers because it's not mine probably isn't either but in my opinion the pros my solution outweighs the pros offered by other solutions.
 
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I'm hearing from some folks that this whole DLC locked behind online stuff might be an error

Also if you look at the bottom of this page you see that "Play purchased games and DLC offline" is marked for non-subscribers too:

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/
Requiring the online service to download DLC makes no sense in any way, and I certainly couldn't see Nintendo doing that either. Its a separate thing entirely. This makes the most sense, its just a glitch that needs to be fixed.
 

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I disagree. K. Rool was a far more popular character choice in leaks than Simon Belmont. Like way more popular. In fact, Simon was almost never discussed before Verge became super confident in him. He made it cool. And there’s no way that that was a safer bet than K. Rool. Especially before e3, when Snake hadn’t even been revealed. Speaking of which, people really undersell Vergeben getting Snake and Ridley. People were not confident in Snake at all before he was announced. Konami was not okay, and the original reason Snake was added (request of Kojima) seemed to be irrelevant due to Kojima being forced out of Konami. And Ridley was considered a pipe dream by most people. I mean if you looked at the Ridley thread before Ultimate was unveiled, it was sad. They were extremely defeated.

I feel like hindsight reeaally effects people’s judgement of Veg. You don’t need to take everything he says as gospel, but I genuinely find it foolish to doubt that he knows what he’s talking about. There’s a reason 99% of leaks copy him. And why hardly anyone even mentioned Simon until Verge made it cool. And why everyone assumes Ken and Incineroar are the next in line for Smash. He’s earned his street cred. And while I don’t take anything he says as 100% confirmed, I do think that it definitely comes from a place of knowing and that he should be taken seriously.
Stealth got Simon a week before Verge. And Verge went with it cause Stealth had some compelling theories. The only big things Verge has gotten solo is all the origionals returning, and Ridley. He guessed Isabelle but not as a semi-clone. He missed Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, K. Rool, and Daisy.
So the best that I can say, is he did have a legit source for parts of the first Direct. And that he got wind of the new AC and Isabelle announcment but wasn't fully on point. So he is 2.5 for 8 announcments and counting. That is about 31% so lets just say...I am skeptical.
 

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The reason DLC is developed before the game goes gold is because otherwise, a good chunk of the devs would be doing nothing. The last few months of a game's development cycle are entirely dedicated to balance, polish, bug fixes, and finishing touches. If they kept working on new base-game characters right up until the game was gold, the game would be a hot mess because that new content wouldn't be sufficiently polished and bug-tested. Hence why the devs work on DLC those last few months instead - they can get progress on them done and they get the time they need to properly refine them, while the rest of the dev team finished the base game properly.
Stealth got Simon a week before Verge. And Verge went with it cause Stealth had some compelling theories. The only big things Verge has gotten solo is all the origionals returning, and Ridley. He guessed Isabelle but not as a semi-clone. He missed Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, K. Rool, and Daisy.
So the best that I can say, is he did have a legit source for parts of the first Direct. And that he got wind of the new AC and Isabelle announcment but wasn't fully on point. So he is 2.5 for 8 announcments and counting. That is about 31% so lets just say...I am skeptical.
Stealth guessing Simon didn't really make him a safe bet, though. Until Snake was revealed, Konami having any kind of involvement was always considered a long shot.
 
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Somebody should ask him if Isaac appears in the game.
From what I saw from further replies he won't answer the question he'll just say no feel he's don't know much like Verg he only knows what Verg knows and he has the same vague information about Steve everyone's assuming Steve's in base but he's not giving a direct answer to that conclusion he's just saying Steve is in the game he doesn't even know what he is so we're back where we started
Edit (What I meant was he won't answer a question about will this character be in or not you won't answer that question)
 
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What the hell. This has to be a mistake, Nintendo would be insane to think people would let this happen. Forget people, companies would want everyone to be able to buy their DLC without having to pay Nintendo first.

This is so moronic it can only be a glitch.
 

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I literally said that having things that weren't feasible to be finished for the base as DLC was acceptable. I'm only talking about the situations where they make the decision to actually make something DLC not motivated by time constraints but what makes the most money.


A lesson I've learned is there is no one true answer to what is most beneficial or efficient. Your solution has some merit however so does mine. You can't convince me that what you say is the best thing for consumers because it's not mine probably isn't either but in my opinion the pros my solution outweighs the pros offered by other solutions.
The way you were saying it I assumed you thought that is what they were doing with Smash intentionally.
The reason DLC is developed before the game goes gold is because otherwise, a good chunk of the devs would be doing nothing. The last few months of a game's development cycle are entirely dedicated to balance, polish, bug fixes, and finishing touches. If they kept working on new base-game characters right up until the game was gold, the game would be a hot mess because that new content wouldn't be sufficiently polished and bug-tested. Hence why the devs work on DLC those last few months instead - they can get progress on them done and they get the time they need to properly refine them, while the rest of the dev team finished the base game properly.

Stealth guessing Simon didn't really make him a safe bet, though. Until Snake was revealed, Konami having any kind of involvement was always considered a long shot.
But Stealth did have some evidence of Castlevania related announcements. I believe he also had something linking that announcement with a revamp of it on Switch and it coinciding with Smash. So if Verge saw this and checked to find out how accurate it was (he had a week to do so) he could be fairly certain of his chances before committing to his "leak".

Edit- post partial deleted. Fixed
 
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Paying for Online to get the ability to purchase DLC makes no sense. You don't put up walls between you and people who want to give you money.
 

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because my first incounter with Isaac was with him back in brawl I’m going tell you how I first felt when I saw him.

Damn why isn’t this guy fighter.

From the moment I saw him I thought he had the potential.
 

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Every once in a while when I’m just chilling out on twitter I’ll search “smash bros Isaac” to see if anyone else is talking about the character being in smash. There’s some' but there’s also a decent number of people I’ve encountered that have no idea who the character is. Whenever I see situations like that I usually go out of my way to give some details. But what really depresses me are the haters who will say junk like. “We don’t need another generic anime sword boy” in those cases I usually just block. But it’s still sucks that there are folks out there are not just ignorant to the character, but are aggressively so.

It’s a similar feeling I got as an extremely vocal Shulk supporter in the smash 4 hype. People didn’t know who I was talking about, and some who even got rude about it. I wish folks would be more receptive. Lol well that and doing a bare minimum of 5 minutes of research beforing making judgement calls.
 
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Hey guys! congrats on beating Amatarasu in the big reddit poll tournament! we both won our rounds! hopping to see you guys beat Sora next!

also lately when I've dropped by here I've seen people talk a lot about DLC. I've brought this up a lot in the Geno thread probably should share the info here because it's an important piece of the puzzle everyone seems to have forgotten was there.

"These days, the “DLC scam” has become quite the epidemic, charging customers extra money to complete what was essentially an unfinished product. I completely understand how aggravated players must feel. After all, a game should be 100% done at the time of release, and I would be livid if it were split up and sold in pieces." - Sakurai

Also for those who will say "but what about Mewtwo?!" "We originally decided to create Mewtwo on the premise that we would distribute him as a special thanks to users who bought both versions of Sm4sh" - Sakurai
it was a special case that isn't gonna be repeated.

basically Sakurai HATES the greedy schemes other companies would use. so thoughts of using any character to sell online is unlikely with the power Sakurai wields.

I would have shared the sources for those comments but source gaming's website is still down. had to copy it from one of my old posts.
 
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Hey guys! congrats on beating Amatarasu in the big reddit poll tournament! we both won our rounds! hopping to see you guys beat Sora next!

also lately when I've dropped by here I've seen people talk a lot about DLC. I've brought this up a lot in the Geno thread probably should share the info here because it's an important piece of the puzzle everyone seems to have forgotten was there.

"These days, the “DLC scam” has become quite the epidemic, charging customers extra money to complete what was essentially an unfinished product. I completely understand how aggravated players must feel. After all, a game should be 100% done at the time of release, and I would be livid if it were split up and sold in pieces." - Sakurai

Also for those who will say "but what about Mewtwo?!" "We originally decided to create Mewtwo on the premise that we would distribute him as a special thanks to users who bought both versions of Sm4sh" - Sakurai
it was a special case that isn't gonna be repeated.

basically Sakurai HATES the greedy schemes other companies would use. so thoughts of using any character to sell online is unlikely with the power Sakurai wields.

I would have shared the sources for those comments but source gaming's website is still down. had to copy it from one of my old posts.
While I agree that Sakurai is probably against dlc, he still did it for smash 4, and after mewtwo there were six more characters total. It's Probably because Nintendo asked him to, so I really don't think those decisions are fully in his control. But yeah I still don't think Nintendo would swoop as low as to force an online subscription to buy dlc
 
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While I agree that Sakurai is probably against dlc, he still did it for smash 4, and after mewtwo there were six more characters total. It's Probably because Nintendo asked him to, so I really don't think those decisions are fully in his control. But yeah I still don't think Nintendo would swoop as low as to force an online subscription to buy dlc
It's not that he is against DLC itself. he is against the idea of making DLC before the game is finished. which by his recent comments in the latest article we actually know they are not finished yet. just real close.

Sakurai only will only makes DLC until after the product is finished. granted I shared this with just generally seeing DLC talk. so maybe you were talking about them doing it in general and not as something already in the works.
 

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Stealth got Simon a week before Verge. And Verge went with it cause Stealth had some compelling theories. The only big things Verge has gotten solo is all the origionals returning, and Ridley. He guessed Isabelle but not as a semi-clone. He missed Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, K. Rool, and Daisy.
So the best that I can say, is he did have a legit source for parts of the first Direct. And that he got wind of the new AC and Isabelle announcment but wasn't fully on point. So he is 2.5 for 8 announcments and counting. That is about 31% so lets just say...I am skeptical.
Ridley was leaked by ResetEra and Jonneh previously. So even Ridley was already leaked well before Verge reported it.
 

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It's not that he is against DLC itself. he is against the idea of making DLC before the game is finished. which by his recent comments in the latest article we actually know they are not finished yet. just real close.

Sakurai only will only makes DLC until after the product is finished. granted I shared this with just generally seeing DLC talk. so maybe you were talking about them doing it in general and not as something already in the works.
Something to consider then. Mewtwo was announced in the 50-fact extravaganza, and they had a full model body of him by that time October 23rd. Models aren't made overnight mind you and going off Sakurai's previous statements it takes, I believe he said, close to a year to finish each character in the DLC period. Let's say, er, 8 months just in case I'm wrong. So in October they had a full working model of Mewtwo and we received that character in April. That's 6 months, Lucas, Roy, AND Ryu were all released not even a full two months after Mewtwo, one of those being a wholly unique, 3rd party, character. Those characters had to have at least been planned during the development of Wii U and 3DS, especially seeing as how Mewtwo was planned at least as far back as E3 2014.

Planning isn't evil, guys. It's just how the game industry works these days. Payed DLC was planned during the development of For. I'm 100% on that.
 
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Imma throw my hat into the ring for a moment regarding this DLC requiring an online service bit.

My take away is this. Having the service will allow you to play games and DLC you’ve downloaded while not connected to the internet. Take that as you will, good or bad.

Personally this is a neat thing. But I say this as an XBOX owner. I’m not sure how it works with PlayStation, but with XBOX, even if you have XBLG you cannot play games you download from the store without being connected to the internet. It’s asinine, but theme the breaks.

It does not mean you need the online service to download DLC in the first place, however.
 

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Mewtwo was not planned as dlc. He was considered after the release of the 3DS version because his inclusion brought up a lot of bugs; since they didn't code for additonial characters. Microsoft are not very good people, even less so than Nintendo, I fully expect them to ask for Banjo as dlc character to get more money, as the only condition to get him in. Spencer might seem like a chill dude on tweeter and on stage, but he obviously runs a business (see how he blatantly covers up and talks bull**** Scalebound's cancellation)

Anyways, I think we'll get only one last Smash direct in november, but hear me out, what if it has the most character reveals done yet? Since they awlays show the chracters getting added to the banner at the end. I'm feeling like they'll go all out to finally complete it.
 

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This feels scummy. Suppose I have no interest in getting Switch Online (which isn't true because Ultimate, but that's irrelevant right now), but I own a Switch and want to buy DLC. You seriously want me to buy an entire service that I don't want just so I could get some virtual Legos? That's just begging for people to complain to PR.
 

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http://www.siliconera.com/2018/09/2...cho-fighter-and-the-chaos-that-is-smash-bros/

“Because of the Hokkaido Eastern Iburi earthquake, the Nintendo Direct was delayed, meaning that the prepared scripts couldn’t be used. This also led to a week’s delay in his column as well.”

Probably is nothing but at least it gives me hope.
Yeah, knowing that Sakurai only represents the "Smash Bros" part of that Direct, it could potentially mean that something about smash was involved in those changes...
 
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