Undella2
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Villager does have a personality though. (and I would even argue that Wii Fit Trainer has some personality, even if it's quite specific)Thanks for all the replies RE: Steve being playable. I admit that it wouldn't bother me much personally but I can at least understand how some of you feel as strongly as you do. Even if he doesn't have a personality, that didn't really stop Villager or Wii Fit Trainer from getting in so I doubt it'll be much of a barrier for Sakurai, and we know he can make up a moveset for anyone.
I still think Steve and a Minecraft level wouldn't be any worse than Cloud and Bayonetta and they wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, but at least I feel more comfortable if people's arguments against it are that he isn't really representative of the franchise, rather than just the typical elitist gamer nonsense because they hate Minecraft and its "casual" fanbase. I saw a lot of that after Isabelle and it was really bad then too.
As for my top games, I would say they're constantly changing, but my top 4 at least have been relatively stable:
1. Super Mario World
2. Bloodborne
3. Final Fantasy IX
4. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Ohhh, this is not gonna be easy for me.. I played so many games. I'll give you my top 22, because it was hard enough to narrow my tastes down to size.I am curious...
What is everyone's top 10 games of all time? I want to see the gaming taste of fellow Isaac fans.
I'll start
1) Golden Sun ( I count GS 1/2 as one game, with the whole they were planned to be one game and the password link system)
2) Majora's Mask
3) Megaman Zero (I looooooooved 2 and 3, 4 is okay but I just love the first one for it's feel and difficulty)
4) Pokemon Crystal
5) Animal Crossing GC (NL is amazing, I loved it, but I have more memories with the GC one)
6) Wario Land
7) Kirby Dream Land 2
8) Fire Emblem 6 (Roy is the best Lord, IDC what you say, he is 15, 15 that is why he is weak, he is a child. Plus unlike Corrin he is not a **** up and a disgrace to FE
9) Power Rangers Snes
10 )Soul Caliber III
It's so hard to pick a top 10. I love so many games. I did one per series because of Zelda. I would have had like 4 of em up there.
So as you can tell, I am a Nintendo boy. Love my Snes games but I really love my handheld games.
This list is no particular order, since these games mean so much to me equally, with the exception of Golden Sun, which will, of course, be...I am curious...
What is everyone's top 10 games of all time? I want to see the gaming taste of fellow Isaac fans.
I'll start
1) Golden Sun ( I count GS 1/2 as one game, with the whole they were planned to be one game and the password link system)
2) Majora's Mask
3) Megaman Zero (I looooooooved 2 and 3, 4 is okay but I just love the first one for it's feel and difficulty)
4) Pokemon Crystal
5) Animal Crossing GC (NL is amazing, I loved it, but I have more memories with the GC one)
6) Wario Land
7) Kirby Dream Land 2
8) Fire Emblem 6 (Roy is the best Lord, IDC what you say, he is 15, 15 that is why he is weak, he is a child. Plus unlike Corrin he is not a **** up and a disgrace to FE
9) Power Rangers Snes
10 )Soul Caliber III
It's so hard to pick a top 10. I love so many games. I did one per series because of Zelda. I would have had like 4 of em up there.
So as you can tell, I am a Nintendo boy. Love my Snes games but I really love my handheld games.
(If your curiosity is satisfied and you don’t want to keep the discussion going, just tell me, but for conversation’s sake I’ll respond to your arguments)Thanks for all the replies RE: Steve being playable. I admit that it wouldn't bother me much personally but I can at least understand how some of you feel as strongly as you do. Even if he doesn't have a personality, that didn't really stop Villager or Wii Fit Trainer from getting in so I doubt it'll be much of a barrier for Sakurai, and we know he can make up a moveset for anyone.
I still think Steve and a Minecraft level wouldn't be any worse than Cloud and Bayonetta and they wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, but at least I feel more comfortable if people's arguments against it are that he isn't really representative of the franchise, rather than just the typical elitist gamer nonsense because they hate Minecraft and its "casual" fanbase. I saw a lot of that after Isabelle and it was really bad then too.
As for my top games, I would say they're constantly changing, but my top 4 at least have been relatively stable:
1. Super Mario World
2. Bloodborne
3. Final Fantasy IX
4. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
1) Xenoblade ChroniclesI am curious...
What is everyone's top 10 games of all time? I want to see the gaming taste of fellow Isaac fans.
I'll start
1) Golden Sun ( I count GS 1/2 as one game, with the whole they were planned to be one game and the password link system)
2) Majora's Mask
3) Megaman Zero (I looooooooved 2 and 3, 4 is okay but I just love the first one for it's feel and difficulty)
4) Pokemon Crystal
5) Animal Crossing GC (NL is amazing, I loved it, but I have more memories with the GC one)
6) Wario Land
7) Kirby Dream Land 2
8) Fire Emblem 6 (Roy is the best Lord, IDC what you say, he is 15, 15 that is why he is weak, he is a child. Plus unlike Corrin he is not a **** up and a disgrace to FE
9) Power Rangers Snes
10 )Soul Caliber III
It's so hard to pick a top 10. I love so many games. I did one per series because of Zelda. I would have had like 4 of em up there.
So as you can tell, I am a Nintendo boy. Love my Snes games but I really love my handheld games.
Post this on R Fire Emblem/ heroes, they love RPG, might help Isaac popularity.https://i.imgur.com/2TsAV24.png
Isaac: If I can’t be in Smash, I will just have to get my adventure in other Nintendo games!
Next stop: Pokémon Go?
Isaac is just hoping that Sakurai won't notice he's NOT a Fire Emblem character and that will guarantee his spot on the roster.Post this on R Fire Emblem/ heroes, they love RPG, might help Isaac popularity.
Nah I'm happy to talk about it, I just didn't want to fill the thread with too much Steve spam if people didn't want to keep discussing it.(If your curiosity is satisfied and you don’t want to keep the discussion going, just tell me, but for conversation’s sake I’ll respond to your arguments)
Villager and Wii Fit Trainer are Nintendo characters. They aren’t held to the same standards as third parties.
Cloud is absolutely an iconic videogame character. Incredibly recognizable. Also represents one of the most acclaimed RPGs ever (maybe one of the most acclaimed games ever), and the biggest and best-received RPG franchise. He dwarfs Steve, and any complaints about him stem from the fact that people associate him with PlayStation, rather than about the character itself.
Bayonetta is the weakest link. She’s not iconic (yet). Her games aren’t as known as Minecraft, though they are more acclaimed. The only way she fits is if, like Geno, you choose to see her as an adopted first-party, as Nintendo funds and publishes her games.
(Really, why doesn’t Nintendo just buy Bayonetta from Sega?)
If Steve ever gets in...okay whatever. He would be jarring to see in comparison to the other fighters but I understand why he got in. However, I will NEVER be okay with Goku or any other character who didn’t originate from a video game franchise!!!So honestly another reason I'm kind of fine with Steve and Goku and whoever else is that clearly Smash has turned into an "anything goes" kind of crossover, and the series will probably change drastically with the next entry, so it's fine to just have some really crazy outliers for this installment. The only thing I would be actually upset about is if all those characters make it but Isaac still doesn't get recognized in any way.
I don’t think Cloud broke any rules. The rule always was ‘You have to appear on a Nintendo console’ and Cloud passed that test.Nah I'm happy to talk about it, I just didn't want to fill the thread with too much Steve spam if people didn't want to keep discussing it.
I won't deny Cloud's iconic status, of course, I'm just saying (and you must agree) that he breaks all the previously established "rules" about who gets considered a viable third party. So once we could justify his inclusion, literally anybody else became fair game, with the only real barrier left being seemingly that they must have originated as a video game character.
Bayonetta was just a very cynical inclusion, in the same way that Corrin and some of Sm4sh's other characters like Dark Pit were. Whether or not you like them as characters, I think it's kind of hard to argue that they're "worthy" of a spot, whatever that means. They're either blatant self-promotion or self-indulgence on Sakurai's part. But either way if we ever get a more stripped down and "focused" Smash game, they will be the first ones to go.
So honestly another reason I'm kind of fine with Steve and Goku and whoever else is that clearly Smash has turned into an "anything goes" kind of crossover, and the series will probably change drastically with the next entry, so it's fine to just have some really crazy outliers for this installment. The only thing I would be actually upset about is if all those characters make it but Isaac still doesn't get recognized in any way.
I’ve actually been imagining something similar to this on my car rides to uni, lol. Except, the way I’ve been picturing it would have mindless zombies who yell “IRRELEVANT” instead of ATs and would involve RayMk sacrificing himself to save those two. Man, everytime I think of Saki and Isaac in smash I get depressed.
But that last paragraph is exactly what I’m talking about, though. Which people don’t want Steve? The same people who didn’t want Isabelle? Because that didn’t work out for them. If the hardcore Smash community got to decide who was in, then Geno would have been confirmed back in the Melee days. Minecraft has a big fanbase that would be pretty pleased at a playable character. I don’t think that makes it likely but I’m just saying it’s not that far outside the realm of possibility either.I don’t think Cloud broke any rules. The rule always was ‘You have to appear on a Nintendo console’ and Cloud passed that test.
Bayonetta did break a rule for third party characters, that being ‘you have to be iconic’. The only way she doesn’t is if she’s considered somewhat similar to first party, as rules don’t apply to them. (That is how I choose to see it, but I understand why people might disagree and not want her in)
Corrin and Dark Pit didn’t break any rules, because there aren’t any rules for first party characters. Still, Corrin is definitely blatant advertisement, while Dark Pit could be said to be Sakurai’s ego showing (a position I definitely disagree, as I see Dark Pit and Lucina as bonuses, what I’ve realized Echoes actually are). Still, you can’t justify an unwanted pick by pointing other unwanted picks have got in. If Everyone is Back wasn’t a thing, those two would have definitely been cut.
Smash has not become a ‘anything goes’ kind of game. It still has clearly defined boundaries, that haven’t been broken (the only time they were broken is when Snake and Sonic got in).
At the end of the day, the reason Cloud and Bayonetta got in and Steve won’t is because people wanted the former, while at best they’re indifferent to the latter.
Yeah she’s just such an off the wall choice though. It would be like picking Leon Kennedy or something. Would I be happy about it? No doubt. Is there any reason whatsoever he should be in Smash? Nope.Bayonetta I think may be the biggest case of the general gaming world being on a different page than the Smash one. Personally, most people I know were ecstatic to see her playable, in the vein of "I wanted this but didn't think it could happen", not that far off of what the reaction to Cloud was like. Her games are beloved, have become de facto Nintendo titles, and inspire strong passion in her fans: see Maximillion's reaction for an idea. I admittedly didn't expect it at all, but I remain thrilled that it happened and, anecdotally at least, that sentiment is not at all uncommon.
Well, that I certainly disagree with. Leon is probably the most popular out of all the Resident Evil protagonists, and Resident Evil 4 is inextricably tied to Nintendo.Yeah she’s just such an off the wall choice though. It would be like picking Leon Kennedy or something. Would I be happy about it? No doubt. Is there any reason whatsoever he should be in Smash? Nope.
Bayonetta is kind of like Nintendo's adopted child since they resurrected the series. Bayonetta 2 and 3 can only appear on Nintendo consoles since they funded the games. She is basically Nintendo without technically being owned by them. Resident Evil and Leon do not fit that as 4 was ported to other consoles.Yeah she’s just such an off the wall choice though. It would be like picking Leon Kennedy or something. Would I be happy about it? No doubt. Is there any reason whatsoever he should be in Smash? Nope.
He was a monster artist primarily, apparently. One of several who illustrated the series. I think the character designer is still around.Oh wow, has this been brought up in this thread before?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/07/golden_sun_and_shining_force_illustrator_passes_away
Apparently Isaac's artist passed away this year? Man, it would be a nice tribute if Isaac got to be in Smash and preserve the artist's legacy. I love Golden Sun art so much.
Huh? The Japanese VA has been doing something recently?Btw some time after the Smash Direct I remember someone saying (I can't remember where) that the japanese voice actor for Krystal was also who did Isaac voice clips, and I think they said that Krystal will use her previous voice clips in English, so they don't needed her english VA again..... so maybe they're using the japanese VA to record other clips not related to Krystal.
I'm mistaken? It's true or just speculation?
That's what I saw then, but only via internet comments, I didn't have official confirmation so I'm not really sureHuh? The Japanese VA has been doing something recently?
If true, this could be a nice bit of hope. I don't have the time to look around right now but definitely will later tonightThat's what I saw then, but only via internet comments, I didn't have official confirmation so I'm not really sure
HmmmI am curious...
What is everyone's top 10 games of all time? I want to see the gaming taste of fellow Isaac fans.
I'll start
1) Golden Sun ( I count GS 1/2 as one game, with the whole they were planned to be one game and the password link system)
2) Majora's Mask
3) Megaman Zero (I looooooooved 2 and 3, 4 is okay but I just love the first one for it's feel and difficulty)
4) Pokemon Crystal
5) Animal Crossing GC (NL is amazing, I loved it, but I have more memories with the GC one)
6) Wario Land
7) Kirby Dream Land 2
8) Fire Emblem 6 (Roy is the best Lord, IDC what you say, he is 15, 15 that is why he is weak, he is a child. Plus unlike Corrin he is not a **** up and a disgrace to FE
9) Power Rangers Snes
10 )Soul Caliber III
It's so hard to pick a top 10. I love so many games. I did one per series because of Zelda. I would have had like 4 of em up there.
So as you can tell, I am a Nintendo boy. Love my Snes games but I really love my handheld games.
I have terrible taste so keep that in mind.I am curious...
What is everyone's top 10 games of all time? I want to see the gaming taste of fellow Isaac fans.
I'll start
1) Golden Sun ( I count GS 1/2 as one game, with the whole they were planned to be one game and the password link system)
2) Majora's Mask
3) Megaman Zero (I looooooooved 2 and 3, 4 is okay but I just love the first one for it's feel and difficulty)
4) Pokemon Crystal
5) Animal Crossing GC (NL is amazing, I loved it, but I have more memories with the GC one)
6) Wario Land
7) Kirby Dream Land 2
8) Fire Emblem 6 (Roy is the best Lord, IDC what you say, he is 15, 15 that is why he is weak, he is a child. Plus unlike Corrin he is not a **** up and a disgrace to FE
9) Power Rangers Snes
10 )Soul Caliber III
It's so hard to pick a top 10. I love so many games. I did one per series because of Zelda. I would have had like 4 of em up there.
So as you can tell, I am a Nintendo boy. Love my Snes games but I really love my handheld games.