Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[QcSlayer]

I would love it if Namco put Dark Souls music in Smash. Golden Sun, Tales of, Dark Souls, etc. all Motoi Sakuraba classics.

I would love it too.

Since we are talking about Dark Souls, it's a serie I discovered whit the remaster of the first game on PS4.

I higly recomend this game to everyone in this thread. It can be really hard but when you will succeded in a boss fight you will have a felling of acomplissement!

The first one is coming soon to Switch, I don't know anything about the quality of the port on the Switch, but I do recomend the PS4/XBOX version.

Dark Souls may have undead, but it's in no way an horror game.

This game is amazing for this reason: When you are scare, IT'S BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN WEAKNESS AS AN HUMAN BEHING! Any ennemy in this game can completelly destroy you if you are not careful.

I really loved the first one and the third, but did not like the 2nd one.

Edit: Bloodborne is great too, but only available on PS4.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

As for my poll, these are the results atm

Good to see Golden Sun in 3rd place behind F-Zero and Mother, but not so good with Eternal Darkness. That is one franchise that Nintendo could reboot to pocket as one of their Mature titles.

 

[Muirkat]

I would love it too.

Since we are talking about Dark Souls, it's a serie I discovered whit the remaster of the first game on PS4.

I higly recomend this game to everyone in this thread. It can be really hard but when you will succeded in a boss fight you will have a felling of acomplissement!

The first one is coming soon to Switch, I don't know anything about the quality of the port on the Switch, but I do recomend the PS4/XBOX version.

Dark Souls may have undead, but it's in no way an horror game.

This game is amazing for this reason: When you are scare, IT'S BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN WEAKNESS AS AN HUMAN BEHING! Any ennemy in this game can completelly destroy you if you are not careful.

I really loved the first one and the third, but did not like the 2nd one.

^ All of this.

Gotta say though, I really wasn't feeling Dark Souls 3 until about a 3rd of the way through. After I beat the main game I was still just luke warm on it, then the DLC came out at that raised it from a 6.5 to a 9 for me. DLC is a MUST for Dark Souls 3.

 

[Q-Long]

I'm 100% sure we'll see SOMETHING Dark Souls related. Music, AT, or Boss. Personally, I'd be all in for a Ornstein and Smough boss battle.
(Also, you picked the music from my favorite boss in Dark Souls. I'm actually making a cosplay of Slave Knight Gael right now https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dnqx7exVsAIvOzx.jpg )

Damn man, that's awesome. I love Gael!

And yeah if there's a character appearance, its either Ornstein and Smough or Solaire.

 

[Knight-Adept]

I have traversed Weyard forthwith to pledge my allegiance to the cause of Isaac for Smash Ultimate. Though we have waited long, our hearts are not faint, nor has our courage abated. The Golden Sun shall rise again!

True Blue Warrior

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

I have traversed Weyard forthwith to pledge my allegiance to the cause of Isaac for Smash Ultimate. Though we have waited long, our hearts are not faint, nor has our courage abated. The Golden Sun shall rise again!

True Blue Warrior

Yes, yes, more lambs for the sacrif- er I mean... support... for Isaac... yup.

 

[Undella2]

Why do many of the primary YouTube/Reddit speculators (not leakers, speculators) ignore the Rathalos tweet?

The similarities (Silent Protagonist to Silent Protagonist, Fire Emblem to Fire Wielder, Future Seer to Future Seer, the pose and angle of the general setup) just make it seem all too suspicious.

I would say that, as of now, Isaac is dang near confirmed for Smush. Or Sm5sh. Or Smash Ultimate. Or Smash Switch. Or whatever else you want to call the game.

 

[alguidrag]

Why do many of the primary YouTube/Reddit speculators (not leakers, speculators) ignore the Rathalos tweet?

The similarities (Silent Protagonist to Silent Protagonist, Fire Emblem to Fire Wielder, Future Seer to Future Seer, the pose and angle of the general setup) just make it seem all too suspicious.

I would say that, as of now, Isaac is dang near confirmed for Smush. Or Sm5sh. Or Smash Ultimate. Or Smash Switch. Or whatever else you want to call the game.

Because they prefer to speculate in characters they want in the game, giving popularity to "rivals" is a bad thing in their eyes, like if Isaac get in their character is going to be kicked from the game

 

[Confirmation]

GameFaqs leaks are getting pretty elaborate.

 

[?!?!?!]

Because they prefer to speculate in characters they want in the game, giving popularity to "rivals" is a bad thing in their eyes, like if Isaac get in their character is going to be kicked from the game

Yep. also smash ultimate gets cancelled if Isaac is in my dad Sakurai said so

 

[Confirmation]

Oh come on, my image doesn't work? Does imgtc not work?

Rip my joke

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

Because they prefer to speculate in characters they want in the game, giving popularity to "rivals" is a bad thing in their eyes, like if Isaac get in their character is going to be kicked from the game

Yeah most likely this. Many people don’t like to speculate about the likelihood of characters they don’t want being in, just as people who desperately want a character in will take any conceivable hint/slight evidence as definitive proof. I do think the Rathalos tweet is a great sign for us and even if it was somehow unintentional, the response to it has improved Isaac’s chances of being DLC at least.

But also to be fair to speculators, people in this very thread were reacting negatively to the Isabelle reveal and saying Isaac’s chances were dead as if there is any conceivable universe in which Isabelle and Isaac impacted each other in any way.

I do like how the game has been kept under wraps for this long, although judging by the Ken thing the boat is going to start spouting a few leaks very soon.

For my own part I’ll only refrain from looking at any leaks that come out if Nintendo announce an official Direct very soon. Otherwise I’d rather just know. It sucks to not hear it from the horse’s mouth but I’m too concerned about Isaac’s chances to care and it’s not like I’m going to stop frequenting these forums, reddit, etc. until Nintendo’s slow butt announces whatever is left. I give zero craps about their marketing hype cycle now that we’re this close to release haha. Just give us the goods already so this dumb box theory can be proven or dispelled once and for all.

 

[Confirmation]

Yeah most likely this. Many people don’t like to speculate about the likelihood of characters they don’t want being in, just as people who desperately want a character in will take any conceivable hint/slight evidence as definitive proof. I do think the Rathalos tweet is a great sign for us and even if it was somehow unintentional, the response to it has improved Isaac’s chances of being DLC at least.

But also to be fair to speculators, people in this very thread were reacting negatively to the Isabelle reveal and saying Isaac’s chances were dead as if there is any conceivable universe in which Isabelle and Isaac impacted each other in any way.

I do like how the game has been kept under wraps for this long, although judging by the Ken thing the boat is going to start spouting a few leaks very soon.

For my own part I’ll only refrain from looking at any leaks that come out if Nintendo announce an official Direct very soon. Otherwise I’d rather just know. It sucks to not hear it from the horse’s mouth but I’m too concerned about Isaac’s chances to care and it’s not like I’m going to stop frequenting these forums, reddit, etc. until Nintendo’s slow butt announces whatever is left. I give zero craps about their marketing hype cycle now that we’re this close to release haha. Just give us the goods already so this dumb box theory can be proven or dispelled once and for all.

I feel like Isabelle was a mix of Box + hype + the way she was revealed being meh. You gotta remember the Isaac train was at max speed before a small dog with a bun derailed it and the image of a box sent it screaming into the inky depths.

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

I feel like Isabelle was a mix of Box + hype + the way she was revealed being meh. You gotta remember the Isaac train was at max speed before a small dog with a bun derailed it and the image of a box sent it screaming into the inky depths.

Yeah but I think that one is mostly on us for hyping irresponsibly. The entire delay fiasco sent the community into a seething frenzy of hype and I think a lot of us got excited about Isaac in particular because of the possibility that the Direct was delayed due to his earthquake abilities (not tasteful but we must admit this was a factor) and the patent renewal. I still don’t like the vitriol that Isabelle got though. I’m not -excited- she’s in but she definitely belongs and given the Animal Crossing announcement I don’t believe the argument that Isaac’s trailer was swapped with hers because it fit so naturally.

I’m glad to see Ken all but confirmed though even if it’s just through a leak. He was expected even without Vergeben but it’s nice to see him.

 

[LuminoZero]

Isaac is too big of a reveal for a Nintendo Direct. He's Smash Direct material all the way.

 

[Rethuic]

Isaac is too big of a reveal for a Nintendo Direct. He's Smash Direct material all the way.

Yeah, Isaac would go into a Smash Direct. Geno too if he gets in. If/when Isaac is announced, we need a gif of him using the Sol Blade's Megiddo on that stupid box. Or the Judgement summon.

 

[Shin F.]

ERSB

Shin F. you are getting pretty famous, people are a screenshot of what you said for Ken proof all over the place

Oh, that's neat. Can't take credit though, that was all Soopercool.

We always got DLC.

The best thing we can hope for is no Isaac AT

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that being an AT isn't a permanent death sentence for DLC. The idea that an AT can't be upgraded in DLC is completely made up by fans. We've already seen that playable characters can appear in other forms, like Toon Link on Spirit Train or Dedede on Dream Land 64. And when those fighters are in the match? They just don't appear, sometimes replaced by something or someone else. It'd be an incredibly small matter to just make it so a character's Assist Trophy doesn't appear if they're already in the battle, and I don't think Sakurai would place such artificial limitations on himself. It wouldn't really even affect the gameplay if 1 or 2 characters out of 50 just can't appear in some situations.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Pfffft. Yeah right Shin. Even if the idea that AT not being able to be upgraded in the same game might be a "fan rule", it's also one that also is consistent. But fan rule or not, trying to ask for a AT upgrade will still be a waste of time, suffice to say.

 

[Organization XIII]

It's not consistent though. ATs have been made into full characters later and there has only been one time we have had DLC so it isn't a pattern and even if it could count the DLC never planned to bring in new Nintendo characters so ATs really didn't have a chance to be upgraded even if one had won the ballot.

 

[Shin F.]

Pfffft. Yeah right Shin. Even if the idea that AT not being able to be upgraded in the same game might be a "fan rule", it's also one that also is consistent. But fan rule or not, trying to ask for a AT upgrade will still be a waste of time, suffice to say.

Consistent in fan speculation, sure, but there's literally no information that suggests this to us. Not one scrap. There's only been one game in which DLC was possible before now, and only seven characters made DLC at the time before development was moved to the next game. That's not enough to establish a rule or a pattern at all, not even close. I think sometimes the Smash community gets stuck on things that don't actually matter at all in the grand scheme of things. We close our minds to possibilities even though Sakurai has repeatedly taken our rules and tossed them out. AT is a death sentence for base roster, but DLC is a different ballpark.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Consistent in fan speculation, sure, but there's literally no information that suggests this to us. Not one scrap. There's only been one game in which DLC was possible before now, and only seven characters made DLC at the time before development was moved to the next game. That's not enough to establish a rule or a pattern at all, not even close.

It's not consistent though. ATs have been made into full characters later and there has only been one time we have had DLC so it isn't a pattern and even if it could count the DLC never planned to bring in new Nintendo characters so ATs really didn't have a chance to be upgraded even if one had won the ballot.

Well, hey. It might be a lot, but you're the ones assuming that upgrading is even something that is likely.


Speculation is one thing, but right here you are making a shot in the dark about something that has such a low possibility, it should not even be considered.

If you want to say it's "possible", so be it. But i could say that Nintendo is "in the process of making an F-Zero game". Or that Nintendo can "make a good online". Doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Doesn't mean anything.

good day.

 

[Organization XIII]

I'm not saying it's likely just not writing off the possibility because it hasn't happened. There are a lot of potential benefits to upgrading ATs and it's something that Sakurai may explore in the future. I just see no reason to say it's impossible.

 

[Shin F.]

Well, hey. It might be a lot, but you're the ones assuming that upgrading is even something that is likely.

Speculation is one thing, but right here you are making a shot in the dark about something that has such a low possibility, it should not even be considered.

If you want to say it's "possible", so be it. But i could say that Nintendo is "in the process of making an F-Zero game". Or that Nintendo can "make a good online". Doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Doesn't mean anything.

good day.

Nah, I didn't say it was likely. But let me present this to you:

Before Brawl was revealed, was it likely that Smash would open up to third parties?

Before Smash 4, was it likely that Cloud, a character who'd only ever cameo'd on Nintendo consoles, would be in?

Before "Everyone Is Here", was it likely that literally every character in series history would return for Smash 5?

Sakurai doesn't care what we think is likely or possible. If he wants to please fans by upgrading an Assist Trophy, he's not going to let some made-up rule stop him. He's better than that. Does this make it likely? Well, no, but discounting the possibility out of hand is nonsensical.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

I'm not saying it's likely just not writing off the possibility because it hasn't happened. There are a lot of potential benefits to upgrading ATs and it's something that Sakurai may explore in the future. I just see no reason to say it's impossible.

Nah, I didn't say it was likely. But let me present this to you:

Before Brawl was revealed, was it likely that Smash would open up to third parties?

Before Smash 4, was it likely that Cloud, a character who'd only ever cameo'd on Nintendo consoles, would be in?

Before "Everyone Is Here", was it likely that literally every character in series history would return for Smash 5?

Sakurai doesn't care what we think is likely or possible. If he wants to please fans by upgrading an Assist Trophy, he's not going to let some made-up rule stop him. He's better than that. Does this make it likely? Well, no, but discounting the possibility out of hand is nonsensical.

Until it happens, i'm not considering the possibility. Weather or not there are benefits is largely irrelevant.

Whether or not YOU think Sakurai doesn't care what's possible is irrelvant.

Until this happens, the possibility is irrelevant to me.

And i don't care if you think me discounting the possibility is nonsensical.

 

[Xenigma]

To be honest I don't take much of the fan speculation/leaks seriously at this point. At this point the game should be basically done, barring Q&A and the like, so really all that matters is this point is supporting characters that haven't been revealed at this point in case they are potential DLC candidates. It feels silly to waste time complaining about the potential of playable Steve or what imaginary rules Sakurai may or may not be following, and if anything such a focus only makes the wait even harder. All I know is basically nothing has changed since the last Direct, and arguably even since the Smash Direct, and that gives me reason to keep being excited for the game in general and for Isaac to hopefully be in it, one way or another.

 

[Organization XIII]

Yeah, I guess so, I mean third parties were impossible until they happened, third parties without Nintendo history were impossible until they happened, more than one third party character per company was impossible till it happened. I absolutely won't ignore things just because people like to cling to the silly notion of "it hasn't happened".

 

[XenoWarriorX]

I'm not repeating myself. Let's move on.

Would you want Motoi Sakuraba doing all of the "theoretical soundtracks of GS" for smash ?

Or would you want multiple composers working on them? And if so, which composers beside Motoi would you want remixing the GS Soundtrack?

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I'm not repeating myself. Let's move on.

Would you want Motoi Sakuraba doing all of the "theoretical soundtracks of GS" for smash ?

Or would you want multiple composers working on them? And if so, which composers beside Motoi would you want remixing the GS Soundtrack?

I'd want other composers and that's a tough one so many good composers I had to go through my OST I have but I'd go with Yuzo Koshiro he worked with sakuraba on Kid Icarus uprising soundtrack and he's no stranger to working on RPG soundtracks I'd love to hear his take on some of the songs from golden sun

This is his work and I think it speaks for itself

 

[XenoWarriorX]

I'd want other composers and that's a tough one so many good composers and maybe go check out some of my OST is I have but I'd go with Yuzo Koshiro he's works with sakuraba on Kid Icarus uprising soundtrack and he's no stranger to working on RPG soundtracks I'd love to hear his take on some of the songs

Oh boy, I forgot about Yuzo Koshiro. He made some of my favorite track in Brawl and 4. (Still wanting him to compose for Streets of Rage 4.)

Can anyone confirm if he's made any new remixes for Ultimate?

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Oh boy, I forgot about Yuzo Koshiro. He made some of my favorite track in Brawl and 4. (Still wanting him to compose for Streets of Rage 4.)

Can anyone confirm if he's made any new remixes for Ultimate?

I can say he's probably back his uprising work is still in the game so more than likely he's still there also get ACE on some golden sun remixes I heard there killer guitar work on You Will Know Our Names heck You Will Recall Our Names after just hearing it for the first time is great but Tornas battle theme is better but back on topic there are too many good composers

 

[SonicLink125]

I would like to put in my two cents quickly on the theory about the possibility of upgrading an AT to a PC before I crash and its forgotten. Most ATs now seem like "half playable" characters that Sakurai could theoretically take and build/finish up when DLC comes around and would see who people want upgraded the most.

But of course, we really have nothing to go by that. So, until Sakurai does this in the future, that idea has to stay dormant till then. So yeah. Night people!

 

[Gurein]

I'm not repeating myself. Let's move on.

Would you want Motoi Sakuraba doing all of the "theoretical soundtracks of GS" for smash ?

Or would you want multiple composers working on them? And if so, which composers beside Motoi would you want remixing the GS Soundtrack?

Ah, at least one made by ACE, ultimate crossover of my two (three technically) favourite composers in video game

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

You guys can say whatever you want but I still believe in Waluigi

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I haven’t been as active in this thread as usual. Partially due to the fact that it just moves by so quickly these days. Which is absolutely amazing considering this thread was sitting on around 2000 at the time of the August Direct. I’ll always love to see all of this support come out for Isaac.

I’ll admit to being down on his chances with the whole 103 stage theory, box theory, and so on at play. We realistically don’t have many unique newcomers left and I’m terrified of who might have priority at this point (I’d love for nothing more than to NOT see the Incineroar/Steve combo make it in). I really want, just this once, to see the big names of requests make it in. I know we don’t have perfect polls, but with Ridley and King K Rool in, Geno and Isaac are the last of the old guard request wise and it feels like their last big opportunity. I know Isaac has the added disadvantage of coming from his own relatively dead series, but I don’t see why that needs to prevent him (Though I have to admit I do think it hurts his chances).

But seriously. The tweet that sakurai liked having so many similarities, the renewal of the trademark for Golden Sun early, his generally excellent performance on the ballot (again from what we’ve seen), and the passionate fan base of Golden Sun fans... That all can’t be for nothing, right? That can’t all just culminate in songs or just him returning as an assist trophy, right?

I think I’m doing the same thing all of us are doing and reaching out for some sort of comfort in these times. A little extra justification as to why Isaac can finally make it in. And that’s the hard part of this, staying positive when the ground below is continuing to shrink. We know DLC is 99% going to be a thing, so he isn’t out til after that obviously. But Isaac would fit the game for the fans promise of base Ultimate so well. And he’s just a Nintendo owned character to boot. He doesn’t have the third party strain of Geno or Banjo. He would represent another unique series that Nintendo could possibly work on reviving and have some basic interest in. He just seems like such a no brainer for inclusion, with his only real negative being his series is no longer “relevant.” I’d hope that Sakurai wouldn’t see things that way, and would give the fans who they wanted. Because at this point, and I don’t mean this negatively, the only thing stopping Isaac is Sakurai....

So I hope he’s heard us and sees fit to include him finally! But damn, is keeping the positivity continuing to be hard right about now.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I have traversed Weyard forthwith to pledge my allegiance to the cause of Isaac for Smash Ultimate. Though we have waited long, our hearts are not faint, nor has our courage abated. The Golden Sun shall rise again!

True Blue Warrior

Done.

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[Skyblade12]

I haven’t been as active in this thread as usual. Partially due to the fact that it just moves by so quickly these days. Which is absolutely amazing considering this thread was sitting on around 2000 at the time of the August Direct. I’ll always love to see all of this support come out for Isaac.

I’ll admit to being down on his chances with the whole 103 stage theory, box theory, and so on at play. We realistically don’t have many unique newcomers left and I’m terrified of who might have priority at this point (I’d love for nothing more than to NOT see the Incineroar/Steve combo make it in). I really want, just this once, to see the big names of requests make it in. I know we don’t have perfect polls, but with Ridley and King K Rool in, Geno and Isaac are the last of the old guard request wise and it feels like their last big opportunity. I know Isaac has the added disadvantage of coming from his own relatively dead series, but I don’t see why that needs to prevent him (Though I have to admit I do think it hurts his chances).

But seriously. The tweet that sakurai liked having so many similarities, the renewal of the trademark for Golden Sun early, his generally excellent performance on the ballot (again from what we’ve seen), and the passionate fan base of Golden Sun fans... That all can’t be for nothing, right? That can’t all just culminate in songs or just him returning as an assist trophy, right?

I think I’m doing the same thing all of us are doing and reaching out for some sort of comfort in these times. A little extra justification as to why Isaac can finally make it in. And that’s the hard part of this, staying positive when the ground below is continuing to shrink. We know DLC is 99% going to be a thing, so he isn’t out til after that obviously. But Isaac would fit the game for the fans promise of base Ultimate so well. And he’s just a Nintendo owned character to boot. He doesn’t have the third party strain of Geno or Banjo. He would represent another unique series that Nintendo could possibly work on reviving and have some basic interest in. He just seems like such a no brainer for inclusion, with his only real negative being his series is no longer “relevant.” I’d hope that Sakurai wouldn’t see things that way, and would give the fans who they wanted. Because at this point, and I don’t mean this negatively, the only thing stopping Isaac is Sakurai....

So I hope he’s heard us and sees fit to include him finally! But damn, is keeping the positivity continuing to be hard right about now.

Yeah. I'm having a hard time keeping up the positivity as well. There are so many things pointing to him... But just as many against him. Every time I get hopeful, things turn right around and start looking dismal again.

One of the most discouraging things is the disdain that most of the mainstream commentators seem to have for him. YouTubers, the competitive community, news outlets, "leakers"... No one talks about him on a major stage.

 

[TempestSurge]

During the trademark renewal, Golden Sun was a trending topic. Once again there are fandoms that organize a time to tweet to get a trend, tweeting about a show, controversial news etc. Golden Sun gets it's trademarked renewed and all of a sudden it's trending. Smash commentators, competitors, and fans alike were all over my timeline talking about a Golden Sun 4 switch possibility or Isaac being in Smash. Heck I didn't even know Etika knew what a Golden Sun was until that fake drawn image leak popped up.

So I really doubt there's that much disdain aside from a loud minority that want other characters in and every character has detractors or followers that will speak for them.

There's no ignoring that Isaac went from barely speculated and talked about to being regarded as one of the top contenders of getting in the game, over the course of this speculation cycle. Either way, only individual who matters and is worth Isaac getting noticed by is Sakurai, the roster has been finalized way back so Isaac's ballot performance needs to do all the talking.

 

[Luigifan18]

Oh, that's neat. Can't take credit though, that was all Soopercool.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that being an AT isn't a permanent death sentence for DLC. The idea that an AT can't be upgraded in DLC is completely made up by fans. We've already seen that playable characters can appear in other forms, like Toon Link on Spirit Train or Dedede on Dream Land 64. And when those fighters are in the match? They just don't appear, sometimes replaced by something or someone else. It'd be an incredibly small matter to just make it so a character's Assist Trophy doesn't appear if they're already in the battle, and I don't think Sakurai would place such artificial limitations on himself. It wouldn't really even affect the gameplay if 1 or 2 characters out of 50 just can't appear in some situations.

It's not consistent though. ATs have been made into full characters later and there has only been one time we have had DLC so it isn't a pattern and even if it could count the DLC never planned to bring in new Nintendo characters so ATs really didn't have a chance to be upgraded even if one had won the ballot.

Consistent in fan speculation, sure, but there's literally no information that suggests this to us. Not one scrap. There's only been one game in which DLC was possible before now, and only seven characters made DLC at the time before development was moved to the next game. That's not enough to establish a rule or a pattern at all, not even close. I think sometimes the Smash community gets stuck on things that don't actually matter at all in the grand scheme of things. We close our minds to possibilities even though Sakurai has repeatedly taken our rules and tossed them out. AT is a death sentence for base roster, but DLC is a different ballpark.

Nah, I didn't say it was likely. But let me present this to you:

Before Brawl was revealed, was it likely that Smash would open up to third parties?

Before Smash 4, was it likely that Cloud, a character who'd only ever cameo'd on Nintendo consoles, would be in?

Before "Everyone Is Here", was it likely that literally every character in series history would return for Smash 5?

Sakurai doesn't care what we think is likely or possible. If he wants to please fans by upgrading an Assist Trophy, he's not going to let some made-up rule stop him. He's better than that. Does this make it likely? Well, no, but discounting the possibility out of hand is nonsensical.

Oh boy, I wanna believe this so bad. Bomberman & Krystal for Smash!!!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

This fanart is amusing.

 

[pholtos]

I'm not repeating myself. Let's move on.

Would you want Motoi Sakuraba doing all of the "theoretical soundtracks of GS" for smash ?

Or would you want multiple composers working on them? And if so, which composers beside Motoi would you want remixing the GS Soundtrack?

I would say whoever has passion towards the GS soundtrack would be good. :3