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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

XenoWarriorX

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I love SMRPG and want Geno in Smash, but there's no way in hell Geno is a "huge gaming icon" LOL.
Yeah. He's not a posterboy for the geno fanbase, but he is delusional.
Oh, Mr. Gamefaqs man.

I'm going to hate you whether you like it or not, because your "personal opinions" are inherently flawed.
i mean, he did start with stating his negative opinions of other characters. Does it mean that only he can critique and not others?


The amount I care about other boards’ opinions of each other is less than zero.

But also ResetERA sucks.
^^^^^^^^^
 

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The point about characters representing different eras is well made...which is why I hope we get to Guh Huh soon.
 

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I AM NOT THE BAD GUY IN THIS KMDP KMDP

First off, I've missed a lot of the more recent developments with this thread and don't know where I lost track. Why are we now also a 50 cent support thread haha? Or rather what's the common link we've established?
50 Cent and Isaac share a lot in common. Okay? I am not crazy here!
 

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The point about characters representing different eras is well made...which is why I hope we get to Guh Huh soon.
Isaac and Banjo & Kazooie would be two great representatives for eras that are often overlooked in terms of Smash. At least in terms of new franchises.

N64, Gamecube and GBA definitely deserve more Smash love.
 

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Isaac and Banjo & Kazooie would be two great representatives for eras that are often overlooked in terms of Smash. At least in terms of new franchises.

N64, Gamecube and GBA definitely deserve more Smash love.
Funny enough, That era of gaming actually has the least # of franchises represented.
 
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i mean, he did start with stating his negative opinions of other characters. Does it mean that only he can critique and not others?
People like to hide behind "It's just an opinion!"

Not realizing, of course, that "opinions" can be wrong because they are grounded in faulty logic and misinformation.
 

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Street Fighter II and Super Mario World were my first games. I indeed feel old lol
I got the Super Mario Allstars, really loved playing as Peach on the SMB2. And I was in loveee with Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinc, they were my first fighting games. Really good times and always grateful to my family for give video games consoles to me when I was a child
 

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Isaac and Banjo & Kazooie would be two great representatives for eras that are often overlooked in terms of Smash. At least in terms of new franchises.

N64, Gamecube and GBA definitely deserve more Smash love.
Hmm, what GC reps could they add that aren't already in Smash? We got Ike, Dark Samus, and Pikmin. ONly thing that comes to mind is Chibi Robo; he originated from a Gc game right?
 

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People like to hide behind "It's just an opinion!"

Not realizing, of course, that "opinions" can be wrong because they are grounded in faulty logic and misinformation.



Thank you. The official Smash Ultimate Discussion does this a lot, and it ticks me off.
 
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Hmm, what GC reps could they add that aren't already in Smash? We got Ike, Dark Samus, and Pikmin. ONly thing that comes to mind is Chibi Robo; he originated from a Gc game right?
Yeah Chibi Robo comes to mind.

There's also Eternal Darkness, though that doesn't seem like it has any chance since there's no push for a character from that game.

Though I wasn't talking solely about playable representation, but also any kind of representation.
 

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First off, I've missed a lot of the more recent developments with this thread and don't know where I lost track. Why are we now also a 50 cent support thread haha? Or rather what's the common link we've established?

Second, I know that GameFAQS, ResetEra, and 4Chan can all have their negatives, but outright saying to ignore them isn't really helpful. There are some moments of series discussion and support for characters there despite so much of the trolling and meme culture that SmashBoards just doesn't really allow for. There's also a place for detractors of certain characters who feel that SmashBoards is too positive. That's not always super fun to read when it's your character getting the short stick, but I do think it's helpful to see some of the other discussion on these characters, especially outside the support threads.

I'll also say SmashBoards seems to be knocked for elitism a lot on those boards, and badmouthing them is only going to serve to fuel that sentiment. I will say when things don't get super snarky they do have some fun threads pop up, and I'm always happy to see people have real discussions anywhere about Smash.
I generally agree with this. Every site seems to **** on and generalize every other site, but be the change you want to see, and outright ignorance will only breed consequences.

Smashboards does come down hard on dissent, which is weird and a little oppressive, but frankly some of the negativity elsewhere is a bit excessive. That said, GameFAQs is not simply a site full of haters, I've said it before and I'll say it again. There's a lot of support to be found over there. It's just heavily intertwined with a pervasive negativity, which can be off-putting. 4Chan I don't frequent much, but if you can stomach the way they conduct themselves, you can find genuine discourse there. Resetera is pretty abysmal, but that's more to do with the site generally than the Smash sect specifically. In my opinion, they're far more elitist and snarky than this place.

Smashboards does have a penchant to be dismissive of other sites, and to value its own perspective, but each site seems to fall victim to extolling the bubble they've refined. If Smashboards is a greater offender than others, perhaps I'm too far-gone to see it.
 

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The point about characters representing different eras is well made...which is why I hope we get to Guh Huh soon.

I saw this pic some time ago on Reddit. The GBA era really needs some love



Edit:Just found an update version

 
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I saw this pic some time ago on Reddit. The GBA era really needs some love

Seems obviously out of date. But yeah. Heck, even Lucario, the sole DS character, arguably debuted on the GBA simultaneously with Mystery Dungeon.
 

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The above pic is a bit incorrect. Roy made his debut in Fire Emblem 6 on the GBA.

You could argue his Melee appearance came first, then why include Dark Pit under 3DS?

Additionally, Ray, Isaac, and Andy would form the ultimate GBA/GCN gen team. :b
 

XenoWarriorX

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The above pic is a bit incorrect. Roy made his debut in Fire Emblem 6 on the GBA.

You could argue his Melee appearance came first, then why include Dark Pit under 3DS?

Additionally, Ray, Isaac, and Andy would form the ultimate GBA/GCN gen team. :b
Plus Saki.
 

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I first got on 4chan when I was like, 10. I avoided /b/ like the plague and basically just used /v/, /a/, and /x/ in October since I love spooky stuff
 

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The few threads of ResetEra I've been into didn't seem bad. Only reason I haven't bothered with that site more is because I don't have a good e-mail for it.

4Chan is...something alright.
 

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During Brawl, the sky was the limit. People would talk about just any character, no matter how likely or unlikely. It was fun and exciting.

Smash 4? When it became obvious relevance > all, it became a game of “who predicts Nintendo’s marketing pattern is the most correct.” Popular characters were looked down upon if they didn’t fit into Nintendo’s bottom line that year. It became about guesses and predictions, not discussing the merits of individual characters.

K. Rool was a splash of cold water to a lot of these people, but one look at ResetERA will inform you this mindset very much still exists.
Speculation has indeed improved tremendously. As this post points out, if it weren't for the ballot and K. rool, Smash speculation would have been so one-dimensional and kinda sterile as it would have boiled down to what's recent within the last couple of years with the exception of a "retro" rep, which will always be only counted if they are from the 80's and before.

People have started using "old character" pejoratively against the likes of Isaac, K. Rool, Geno, etc. and it perplexes me why the era a character hails from should matter at all. Why would lacking a recent appearance make them a poor choice if they're a fan favourite? Did Smash 4 brainwash you that hard?
People delude themselves into thinking that having a recent appearance is the be-all-end-all when it comes to fan appeal and their perception of importance is really skewed towards what's recent or what's arbitrarily counted as a "retro" rep (despite the concept of what is actually retro not being limited to the 80's and before). That's why you'll rarely see characters like Mach Rider be called irrelevant.

At any rate, even if Isaac isn't all that well-known, he definitely has something that people disregard - the Roy factor. What I mean is that thanks to his frankly cool-looking and diverse powers as well as generally representing something new and different (as opposed to being another Fire Emblem or Xenoblade character), coming from an unrepresented franchise, it's easy to make a great trailer for him that will impress and endear him to even people who have no idea who he is.

Before Brawl, it was Sonic.

Before Smash 4, it was Mewtwo

Before E3, it was Ridley.

Before the Direct, it was K. Rool.

And now, it's (apparently) Isaac.

People have been so used to making the overall most popular character request at the given time a hate sink, that whenever it's taken away (i.e., made playable) they'll replace it with the next most popular character. A desperate, cyclical desire to fill a void that they've grown accustomed to.
People were hating on Sonic during Brawl? I wouldn't be surprised. Honestly speaking, given Sonic could have easily not made it into Brawl if Sakurai didn't delay the game for him, I'm so happy that he made it in.

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Excerpt from Wikipedia:
The game was highly praised by critics; IGN's Craig Harris said that Golden Sun could "arguably be one of the best 2D-based Japanese RPGs created for any system." The game was also commercially successful, having sold more than one million copies in Japan and the United States, spawning a series that eventually included three games and appearances in other media.
Yeah, whoever says Golden Sun was never big is full of ****.
People also conveniently forgot that the DKC trilogy were part of the top ten best selling SNES games ever before K. Rool was revealed.
 

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At any rate, even if Isaac isn't all that well-known, he definitely has something that people disregard - the Roy factor. What I mean is that thanks to his frankly cool-looking and diverse powers as well as generally representing something new and different (as opposed to being another Fire Emblem or Xenoblade character), coming from an unrepresented franchise, it's easy to make a great trailer for him that will impress and endear him to even people who have no idea who he is.
I was interested in shulk after they revealed his abilities. A lot of people were too. So isaac getting the same treatment wouldn't be too out of the question.
 

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Gosh sometimes it's hard to be an Isaac fan. I responded to LeakyPandy's tweet and I am defending our boy and explaining why GS and Isaac is popular and not just a random character or sword user. But the guy just doesn't seem to understand it xDD
 

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Gosh sometimes it's hard to be an Isaac fan. I responded to LeakyPandy's tweet and I am defending our boy and explaining why GS and Isaac is popular and not just a random character or sword user. But the guy just doesn't seem to understand it xDD
What did he respond with?

"Ur a blind fanboy an ur character from a dead franchise isn't coming back."
 

KMDP

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People also conveniently forgot that the DKC trilogy were part of the top ten best selling SNES games ever before K. Rool was revealed.
There was a youtube reviewer (can't remember which one) who talked about how, for a brief time, DKC overtook Mario in terms of marketing push.

Donkey Kong Country was huge back in the Early-Mid 90s.
 

Lonodel

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There was a youtube reviewer (can't remember which one) who talked about how, for a brief time, DKC overtook Mario in terms of marketing push.

Donkey Kong Country was huge back in the Early-Mid 90s.
naw dawg my revisionist history says that nintendo only started selling games in high numbers during wii era, and that means only post wii era characters should be in.

On a side note how is rex NOT just another anime swordsman by Isaac detractor standards?
 

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I actually have a cool idea for a Isaac reveal.


there are a select group of fighters battling it out in Final Destination. Things are getting intense, until Master Hand comes out. And then a splash screen!

"Master Hand Slaps his foes?!?"


Then, moments later, "Master Hand" vanishes. It ain't Master hand.

Then, Isaac jumps onto the stage, and reveals his "Move" special.

With the splash screen "Isaac throws some hands."

(I know the taglines suck. lol.)
 
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I only use 4chan when it's Pokemon or Smash leak season. However the stuff people post really make me question humanity
I used to browse it quite a bit, but less now. The way threads there work make it too time consuming, you can't go back to it like you can with discord or a forum or reddit, the threads die too quickly unless its a small board.

Also its gotten quite edgy since late 2015, though its calmed down quite a bit now.
 

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man I really hope our boy makes it. just so these haters can shut the duck up. It's frustrating and makes me sad.

Also Pyra isn't a fi, she's got a personality and deserves hugs. :<
 

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I actually have a cool idea for a Isaac reveal.


there are a select group of fighters battling it out in Final Destination. Things are getting intense, until Master Hand comes out. And then a splash screen!

"Master Hand Slaps his foes?!?"

Then, moments later, "Master Hand" vanishes. It ain't Master hand.

Then, Isaac jumps onto the stage, and reveals his "Move" special.

With the splash screen "Isaac throws some hands."

(I know the taglines suck. lol.)

Isaac squares up!

I hope they yell WORLDSTAR when Isaac fights
 

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naw dawg my revisionist history says that nintendo only started selling games in high numbers during wii era, and that means only post wii era characters should be in.
People assume that anything that is popular with older gamers is pointless as they are supposedly a small minority of the fanbase and thus, what's recently successful must be the only thing that matters. This is the biggest reason why people often stated that K. Rool support was just a vocal minority.

Funnily enough, the August direct is one of the two official Smash videos on Youtube with the most amount of likes, the other one being the initial trailer. Clearly Sakurai knows what he is doing in terms of generating hype.
 

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Kinda wishing that Robin didn't say the ordinary swordsman line so that Isaac could say it since detractors use it so much. But I'm also at a point where I'm thinking Isaac may not even have voiced lines.
 
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