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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

XenoWarriorX

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I'll be honest, I don't want Shantae. When a third party character gets put in Smash, they have a legacy behind them and represent massive franchises. Shantae doesn't belong in Smash Bros as a playable character, IMO.
I just want Custom Robo or Isaac/Felix on smash before I even THINK of shantae.


I just think that there are other franchises to represent like GS, S&P, CR, or even RH. Even if she does get in, I don't know exactly how I would feel. But hey, if people like her, people like her.

Gamefaqs doesn’t hate Isaac so much as they hate everything, and Isaac is part of everything.

They also like stuff, but not nearly as loudly.
True on almost a spiritual level.
I'm watching this and oh lord you weren't kidding about eye-roll tier ideas.

Them showing more support for Goku than Lyn or thinking Rabbids is more likely than Rayman, and actually like the idea of Rabbids *wretches*
Lyn > Goku.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...lly_google_cant_find_the_website_of_the_game/

If someone is interesting the question of the websites, actually Nintendo UK websites of Golden Sun are off the search. I couldn't find it on google...

EDIT:
The website shown sometimes again on the google search and the website was updated 4 DAYS AGO.
Screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/BqdUhst
So hard to catch it.
How is this bot still updating these websites???
 
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QcSlayer

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Wait, so the Dark Dawn website is still being fiddled with? My inner cynic thinks it's nothing, but the rest of me is hopeful it means something
Golden Sun remastered gonna be announce during September Direct whit Isaac as a playable character, the new game will replace Dark Dawn...

Let's be honest, whit how well Octopath did and since the Switch is RPG friendly they must have consider bringing Golden Sun back, right? (+Ballot Results)

Sure Mario and Luigi are turn by turn rpg, but you can't really have a good story whit that, while Golden Sun could reach another kind of audience if they work really hard on that aspect.
 

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I do think the time is right. Octopath did very well and the only high profile RPGs Nintendo have been doing is Pokemon and Mario & Luigi.

Problem is Pokemon and Golden Sun couldn’t be more different to me. And Mario & Luigi have been on a steep decline to the point where Nintendo felt it was better to remake 2 of the better ones. I think it’s frikken hilarious hey skipped Partners in Time.

So a complete remake of GS for the Switch would be beautiful. The main thing is I honestly don’t want it to be a one to one remake with prettier visuals. I want the story and most of the in between stuff to remain the same, but it would feel... wrong if they didn’t expand on the game in some way. It should feel like a Switc game. Not a GBA game, if that makes any sense. Also obviously doing what they originally planned and lump Book 1&2 together. Half the game is Isaac’s journey and the second half is Felix’s journey.

And then when they get around to Dark Dawn, make DD the first half of its own game. So by then we’ll actually get our long awaited 4th game.

Just... Nintendo... Camelot... if this happens... don’t wait close to a decade between GS Remake and Dark Dawn remake. Christ...

Also for the love of god market the damn thing. We can only do so much as a fan base!
 

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mimique said:
no indie rep is happening
Truth. If indie characters start getting into Smash, then the series will go from having unique, legendary Nintendo and third-party characters to having flavor of the month characters that won't even be that popular in a few years. The series will stray from representing Nintendo's history, and instead will prove that anyone can get their character in Smash as long as they get enough supporters on kickstarter. The fact that Shovel Knight even got in as an AT surprised me.
 

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Truth. If indie characters start getting into Smash, then the series will go from having unique, legendary Nintendo and third-party characters to having flavor of the month characters that won't even be that popular in a few years. The series will stray from representing Nintendo's history, and instead will prove that anyone can get their character in Smash as long as they get enough supporters on kickstarter. The fact that Shovel Knight even got in as an AT surprised me.
Change a few words and you just described Bayonetta.
 

XenoWarriorX

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Golden Sun remastered gonna be announce during September Direct whit Isaac as a playable character, the new game will replace Dark Dawn...

Let's be honest, whit how well Octopath did and since the Switch is RPG friendly they must have consider bringing Golden Sun back, right? (+Ballot Results)

Sure Mario and Luigi are turn by turn rpg, but you can't really have a good story whit that, while Golden Sun could reach another kind of audience if they work really hard on that aspect.
But Mario + luigi is known for having a better story than traditional mario games. :p

Well, used to.

(Not as bad as paper mario, but still.)


Change a few words and you just described Bayonetta.
T R I G G E R E D
 
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ZelDan

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Truth. If indie characters start getting into Smash, then the series will go from having unique, legendary Nintendo and third-party characters to having flavor of the month characters that won't even be that popular in a few years. The series will stray from representing Nintendo's history, and instead will prove that anyone can get their character in Smash as long as they get enough supporters on kickstarter. The fact that Shovel Knight even got in as an AT surprised me.
I wouldn't exactly call Shantae a "flavor of the month" character since she's been around since the GBC.

Also despite being released in 2014, Shovel KNight is still staying relevant with the DLC campaigns it released, and the stuff that is still yet to come (multiplayer mode and Kind of Cards campaign). Personally, Shovel KNight is one of my favorite games of all time so I don't think I'll ever completely forget it.

What you say might apply to a good amount of indie characters or games, but not all. I'd also add that non-indie stuff can also be flavor of the month sometimes too.
 
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I'm watching this and oh lord you weren't kidding about eye-roll tier ideas.

Them showing more support for Goku than Lyn or thinking Rabbids is more likely than Rayman, and actually like the idea of Rabbids *wretches*
When the middle guy was completely expecting Chie from Persona, I think I had a momentary aneurysm. I'm as big of a fan of SMT and the Persona games as anyone is but I wouldn't exactly call a playable character "likely" in the least. He was also talking about Mikey from the Goonies in some random game from long ago. I felt like I was in the twilight zone in that discussion.
 

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When the middle guy was completely expecting Chie from Persona, I think I had a momentary aneurysm. I'm as big of a fan of SMT and the Persona games as anyone is but I wouldn't exactly call a playable character "likely" in the least. He was also talking about Mikey from the Goonies in some random game from long ago. I felt like I was in the twilight zone in that discussion.
I mean, even if we were to get a SMT or Persona character, why would it be a random party member instead of a protagonist?
 
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XenoWarriorX

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I mean, even if we were to get a SMT or Persona character, why would it be a random party member instead of a protagonist?
Yeah, and even then, wouldn't it be better to choose the SMT protagonists that are in the MAIN SERIES? You know, the one with a new main entry being made for the switch????


God, people are dumb sometimes.

*I know cloud is a thing, but I doubt any Persona rep has nearly as big of a reputation as Cloud.*
 
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Hmm? Interesting. How did you find this?
It’s from a profile on twitter. People were not paying much attention to it at first until after the August direct and many realized that his “speculation/wants” for Smash Ultimate were coming true. Especially when the profile randomly tweeted Chrom a few hours before the direct. So now people believe this person actually does have info about the game and is hiding their leaks by claiming all of these are what they want in Ultimate.
 

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The 5 most popular right now are Banjo, Isaac, Geno, Bandada Dee and Skull Kid for me. What do you guys think?
 

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The 5 most popular right now are Banjo, Isaac, Geno, Bandada Dee and Skull Kid for me. What do you guys think?
In terms of unique fighters I agree for sure. I think we will at least get 3 of these 5

Heck, we might even get all 5!
 
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The 5 most popular right now are Banjo, Isaac, Geno, Bandada Dee and Skull Kid for me. What do you guys think?
Pretty much the only big ones amongst the debate yeah. Although I feel like Banjo is lower on that list. Maybe that’s just my Isaac bias coming through.

I’m also not sure how to feel about Bandana Dee. I just... maybe it’s because I’m not a Kirby guy so I just don’t see the appeal. I mean... he’s a Waddle Dee with a spear. Neat I suppose...

So for me it’s Isaac, Geno and Skull Kid.

Edit: and those are just what I expect to be revealed. I only really care about Isaac.

If I were to make a list on what I’d like to see but know it’ll never happen:

Velvet Crowe from Tales of Berseria....

Nope that’s it can’t think of anything else. Man I’ve been out of touch with gaming despite the fact I play games every day lol.
 
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Lonodel

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I do think the time is right. Octopath did very well and the only high profile RPGs Nintendo have been doing is Pokemon and Mario & Luigi.

Problem is Pokemon and Golden Sun couldn’t be more different to me. And Mario & Luigi have been on a steep decline to the point where Nintendo felt it was better to remake 2 of the better ones. I think it’s frikken hilarious hey skipped Partners in Time.

So a complete remake of GS for the Switch would be beautiful. The main thing is I honestly don’t want it to be a one to one remake with prettier visuals. I want the story and most of the in between stuff to remain the same, but it would feel... wrong if they didn’t expand on the game in some way. It should feel like a Switc game. Not a GBA game, if that makes any sense. Also obviously doing what they originally planned and lump Book 1&2 together. Half the game is Isaac’s journey and the second half is Felix’s journey.

And then when they get around to Dark Dawn, make DD the first half of its own game. So by then we’ll actually get our long awaited 4th game.

Just... Nintendo... Camelot... if this happens... don’t wait close to a decade between GS Remake and Dark Dawn remake. Christ...

Also for the love of god market the damn thing. We can only do so much as a fan base!

I hope if we do get a remake, maybe a revised version where the end of GS 1 is pushed back a bit to just before jupiter lighthouse, and maybe give the players the chance to save Babi
 

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Want to see the worst Isaac leak?
View attachment 160412

Look how bad these renders are
*roblox oof*

the top left looks like Agnes from bravely default if her face got smooshed by a frying pan

Isaac with brown hair looks really weird

Skull kid's looks exactly like his miiverse reveal as an assist

Chorus men's head looks like an egg

Isabelle and shadow look pretty okay actually

i cant even describe ken

honestly it feels like a fever dream, but props for actually making a picture leak, where did you find this?
 
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*roblox oof*

the top left looks like Agnes from bravely default if her face hot smooshed by a frying pan

Isaac with brown hair looks really weird

Skull kid's looks exactly like his miiverse reveal as an assist

Chorus men's head looks like an egg

Isabelle and shadow look pretty okay actually

i cant even describe ken

honestly it feels like a fever dream, but props for actually make a picture leak

From SF5 to this, Ken can't catch a break.

Props to the fake leak tho.

I can see Isaac hair like that in Sakurai's mind. Wish it was a real confirmation
 

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The 5 most popular right now are Banjo, Isaac, Geno, Bandada Dee and Skull Kid for me. What do you guys think?
That sounds right. Hopefully the polls were right and Isaac was pretty much the most popular out of these worldwide. Besides Banjo, I think the rest of these characters would have a good chance even without the ballot, but the ballot is Isaac's only shot.
 

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He's definitely Kid Icarus biased though, such representation for such a small franchise ...
I heard there was a lot of Kid Icarus content because Sakurai reused alot of assets from Uprising during development so that's alot of where it comes from
Want to see the worst Isaac leak?
View attachment 160412

Look how bad these renders are
The Isaac one actually looks cool, the only thing that's weird to me is the hair color
 

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That sounds right. Hopefully the polls were right and Isaac was pretty much the most popular out of these worldwide. Besides Banjo, I think the rest of these characters would have a good chance even without the ballot, but the ballot is Isaac's only shot.
I would wager the winner of the ballot overall was either Ridley, K Rool, Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid or Banjo and Kazooie.
 

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From SF5 to this, Ken can't catch a break.

Props to the fake leak tho.

I can see Isaac hair like that in Sakurai's mind. Wish it was a real confirmation
oh mah gawd I hate kens SF5 look

it'd be cool if the Isaac one was an alt color or something
 
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XenoWarriorX

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I search for any Isaac done in the style of the smash banner art online, can't find nothing.

However, this is 100% fake
No, this is totally 100% real guys.

Ken just looks bad just so Capcom can have a reason to keep the SFV look.
 

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You know I think with the Krool intro being Titled "Rivals" makes a Felix echo more likely, he was never really the villain of GS but classifying him as Isaac's Rival seems fitting.
 

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You know I think with the Krool intro being Titled "Rivals" makes a Felix echo more likely, he was never really the villain of GS but classifying him as Isaac's Rival seems fitting.
And was Wolf and Meta knight really ever a "Villian" of the series? No. Of course not.
 

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And was Wolf and Meta knight really ever a "Villian" of the series? No. Of course not.
Metaknight was a villain in Kirby Super Star. Granted Marx was the bigger villain but still, that was one game where Meta Knight was actually a villain and wasn't just getting possessed every other week along with Dedede.
 

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And was Wolf and Meta knight really ever a "Villian" of the series? No. Of course not.
antagonists i guess. Wolf is more or less a villain, as he has worked or andross more than he has helped Fox

Meta Knight is a chaotic neutral character in my eyes, he doesn't really seem like a hero nor a villain, but he does cause havoc
 

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*roblox oof*

the top left looks like Agnes from bravely default if her face got smooshed by a frying pan

Isaac with brown hair looks really weird

Skull kid's looks exactly like his miiverse reveal as an assist

Chorus men's head looks like an egg

Isabelle and shadow look pretty okay actually

i cant even describe ken

honestly it feels like a fever dream, but props for actually making a picture leak, where did you find this?
That Ken render would actually fit quite well with Ryu's, and the reason Isaac and Ken have darker than normal hair is because of the camera lighting.

I would also assume Isaac would have darker hair in his smash design to better distinguish from Cloud and Shulk

I'm not betting on this though
 

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At this point, I'm not sure how much I'll care about the competitive scene this time. I think I'll take the first few months to actually enjoy the other 90% of the game.


But if Isaac is in I'm gonna be the best Isaac in North Florida
 

Lonodel

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At this point, I'm not sure how much I'll care about the competitive scene this time. I think I'll take the first few months to actually enjoy the other 90% of the game.


But if Isaac is in I'm gonna be the best Isaac in North Florida
you gotta Aim higher than that you gotta be the best Isaac in ALL of florida ;)
 
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XenoWarriorX

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Metaknight was a villain in Kirby Super Star. Granted Marx was the bigger villain but still, that was one game where Meta Knight was actually a villain and wasn't just getting possessed every other week along with Dedede.
But it's kinda strange that his position changes a lot. In Kirby's adventure, he's like a main villain, but he gives you health and power ups on the stage.

Meta knight is kinda strange in that regard.
 
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