Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Pwnapplez]

Yeah, but since no assist trophies have been upgraded through DLC, it's best to assume that for now it's not a thing.
Tinfoil hats are not healthy, you guys.

We don’t even know Isaac fate atm. I agree, people need to stop thinking of OH AT STILL CAN BE A FIGHTER DLC DLC DLC!

Right now, just hope that he gets in base game as a fighter. To be frank, you want zero AT for the hopes he gets in as DLC.
An AT is the last thing you want. It means death for a character.

 

[Metocles]

Good to see the younger fans being introduced to Golden Sun. I was 13 in 2003 which is when Golden Sun The Lost Age was released in America. I remember reading about it in a Gamepro and thought it looked amazing so I begged my dad to buy it for me. I had no idea it was a sequel but I was luckily able to play the first game years later.
Golden Sun is very nostalgic to me. It's also one of the few RPG's that I can constantly replay over and over and not get tired of going through the story repeatedly.

I was 14 in 2003 so we were basically doing the same thing at the same time. My friend and I were in middle school at the time and we'd talk about GS at school endlessly and even bring them in to play on occasion when there was some field trip or free day. When TLA hit, it was amazing and the game just blew our minds. GS is a big reason I think a lot of RPGs they ported to the GBA ended up being successful. Along with that I played BoF2 and most of the FF I-VI games that they did release along with FF Tactics Advance. It was GS and Advance Wars that simply defined those systems all the way up until they started going with the DS and such.

Thoughts? I definitely don't think this means anything at all but he subtly looks like Isaac lol

Mii swordsman for Sm4sh also had a similar design that we joked at the time had similar clothing (mainly the leather boots) as Isaac does. That's were it mostly ends though, so it really never changed. Nothing to even be remotely worried about. He's even missing the hallmark yellow scarf.

 

[Organization XIII]

It's not a matter of evidence, it's more what is the most plausible and what happened for smash 4.

What happened with 4? You mean the game where they had no intention of bringing a single Nintendo newcomer to the roster as DLC? That's not good evidence because there was literally no chance for anyone to be upgraded.

Everything is possible but do you guys really think Sakurai would have put a Waluigi AT if he thought there would be the slightest possibility of him being a DLC. I know he doesn't think about DLC before the base game development has ended but I'm sure he at least knows who he's sure won't be considered.

I think so because the point of AT's were never to say a character isn't good enough to be added or isn't worth adding. It was purely because it was an easy way to add more characters. They were never made with DLC in mind. So yeah I think it is entirely possible for ATs to be upgraded because we know characters who were previously ATs are on the roster now.

The most of DLC we will get for Waluigi is a Mii outfit

Once and AT you stay an AT (for that game)

It would be stupid for Sakurai to make Ashely or Waluigi a fighter. That means he would have to remove the item and then make em fighters.


Your character shows up as an AT? That’s it, pack your bags and wait for the next game.

The reason they are an AT is because they don’t work as a fighter in Sakurai eyes.

Don’t get drunk in desires.

If Isaac gets deconfirmed please, I wish the whole community will accept the fate and act like adults.

Right now we are viewed as crazy people for wanting isaac
I don’t want my fav character to also be associated with man children who will scream and yell.


We all want Isaac badly, just don’t like that turn you into a monster

Why would it be stupid to add fan favorite characters? Again the item provides a convenient base that should make adding them even easier. And as for supporting them, I mean continuous support is literally what got Ridley in the game so I don't see a reason to give up on a character. ATs can't be DLC is a fan rule until proven otherwise so I mean there's no reason for me to give up on Isaac till Sakurai reveals the very last character for DLC.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Well I just took that from the golden sun reddit page and asked for your opinions lol. That's literally all I did

and I gave my opinion on it.

I'm not singling you out or anything, I've just seen people talking about the Lucas pic as well and it all seems a bit much.

 

[N3ON]

The one thing - the one thing - that might (MIGHT) be a hint is that Rathalos pic. And even that is a shot long enough to make a sniper blush.

Everything else is worthy of yarn, thumbtacks, and the x-files theme.

 

[Spatman]

Again, I feel like it's prudent to iterate that the only two characters that aren't on that exit poll are Dark Samus and Richter, who Sakurai literally said got in for popularity's sake.

I only keep saying this because so many people keep forgetting that popularity is clearly the huge drawing point.

Could someone post that exit poll? I'd like to see it

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Sorry buddy Organization XIII , I understand your position but I'm still not convinced. Just like XenoWarriorX said earlier I believe clinging to hope that ATs might be upgraded as DLC is somewhat unhealthy. I can't keep anyone from choosing this path of course but It's just my friendly advice.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

My personal take on assist trophies becoming playable as dlc, is that I don't think it's absolutely impossible....however I really really really wouldn't bank on it happening either since there's no precedent for it. (and "anything could happen" isn't a great reason to start thinking something is likely) You'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment if you start convincing yourself it's likely.

There's nothing wrong with supporting assist trophies to become playable, just don't expect anything to happen for this game.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

The one thing - the one thing - that might (MIGHT) be a hint is that Rathalos pic. And even that is a shot long enough to make a sniper blush.

Everything else is worthy of yarn, thumbtacks, and the x-files theme.

I'd like for it to be real. But i think it's still a long shot. I don't think we are guaranteed. Even if the ballot might be a giant help.

And yet... here we are grasping at anything we can get our hands on regarding our golden boy in Smash lol.

Yep. I've mentioned that the hints could mean basically nothing. Yet, people seem to get our expectations up.


Hoping is all we can do at this point.

 

[Metocles]

Could someone post that exit poll? I'd like to see it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pw5m-b4JHJ0_cGRKU15KYlTe1E/edit#gid=729442469

The one thing - the one thing - that might (MIGHT) be a hint is that Rathalos pic. And even that is a shot long enough to make a sniper blush.

Everything else is worthy of yarn, thumbtacks, and the x-files theme.

It's not that bad compared to people picking out clouds in the background that look like Ridley and Pacman. At the very least with that twitter pic, it's a lot more suspicious considering the circumstances. You do have to admit that the GS and Isaac fanbase isn't one that usually lends itself to this because there's been literally nothing in the past few games. Nothing. I don't remember any reaching because there's not even been a tickle and it's not like the desire is higher now than then. If he actually is in though, is it really going to be conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats?

 

[Organization XIII]

Sorry buddy Organization XIII , I understand your position but I'm still not convinced. Just like XenoWarriorX said earlier I believe clinging to hope that ATs might be upgraded as DLC is somewhat unhealthy. I can't keep anyone from choosing this path of course but It's just my friendly advice.

Well I'm not actually clinging to the hope as there actually 0 characters as ATs that I want in the game (besides Takamaru but we all know there's no way he would be picked) I just see no reason to discount the possibility

 

[jweb23]

I don’t think there is any point to getting “worried” about the Mii Swordsman’s look. We all know the Mii Fighter appearances will be customizable and people who have analyzed their videos also pointed out that they may still have custom moves.

Everyone just relax! We should be getting a direct soon to explain the new online service plus Sakurai still hasn’t talked about Ultimate’s online so that could be another dedicated Smash direct so we might have 3 more unique newcomers announced before the end of September.

 

[?!?!?!]

The one thing - the one thing - that might (MIGHT) be a hint is that Rathalos pic. And even that is a shot long enough to make a sniper blush.

Everything else is worthy of yarn, thumbtacks, and the x-files theme.

I think the whole point of that post from reddit was to suggest that Isaac would be mii costumed, not that it's a hint of his inclusion

It's a silly post regardless though

 

[XenoWarriorX]

I don’t think there is any point to getting “worried” about the Mii Swordsman’s look. We all know the Mii Fighter appearances will be customizable and people who have analyzed their videos also pointed out that they may still have custom moves.

Everyone just relax! We should be getting a direct soon to explain the new online service plus Sakurai still hasn’t talked about Ultimate’s online so that could be another dedicated Smash direct so we might have 3 more unique newcomers announced before the end of September.

Where the heck did you get 3 unique fighters???

No one confirmed that.

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Well I'm not 100% positive it can't happen, more like super hyper mega unlikely from the bottom of the unlikeliness realm.

 

[ZelDan]

I put some thought into what a possible moveset for Isaac/Felix could be:

jab: standard sword swings

Grab: Catch psynergy

f-tilt and u-tilt: thorn psynergy which causes thorny vines grow around Isaac's/Felix's sword when they swing it
d-tilt: a mini quake

fair and u-air: same as the tilts where they utilize the thorn psynergy
down air: would work like Link's down air, but a stalactite forms around the blade and breaks apart when it makes contact with an enemy or platform. any rock shards that fly out cause a tiny amount of damage

up-smash: has a big stalagmite come out of the ground
forward smash: Ragnarok psynergy
down-smash: punches into the ground which causes rocks to form around Isaac/Felix

neutral special: sand psynergy. Isaac/Felix hide in the ground, can move around, and after pressing B again (or after time runs out), they leap out of the ground, doing an up slash as they re-emerge.
up special: growth psynergy; if used in the air vines grow from Isaac/Felix's hands which can be used to recover on stage. If used while grouned, the vines can pop out from the ground and used as a way to trap enemies for a short time and maybe cause small damage
side special: move/force psynergy. This would work as a charge attack. a low charge would throw out the move psynergy, which would cause a little knockback and a little damage, while a longer charge would change the attack to the force psynergy, which would have more knockback and cause greater damage
down special: Earthquake. Would kinda work similarly to DK's down special

final smash for Isaac: Judgement summon
final smash for Felix: Megiddo

A difference between the two besides their final smash could maybe be that Felix has a stronger sand psynergy attack, since the sand psynergy originates from TLA, while Isaac has a stronger catch psyergy/grab, since IIRC, Catch psynergy is something that Felix can't really utilize until Isaac joins the party near the end of TLA.

 

[Pwnapplez]

The one thing - the one thing - that might (MIGHT) be a hint is that Rathalos pic. And even that is a shot long enough to make a sniper blush.

Everything else is worthy of yarn, thumbtacks, and the x-files theme.

I agree, the more I think about it the more I feel like Rathalos is a super stretch on our community, however just like Metocles said

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pw5m-b4JHJ0_cGRKU15KYlTe1E/edit#gid=729442469


It's not that bad compared to people picking out clouds in the background that look like Ridley and Pacman. At the very least with that twitter pic, it's a lot more suspicious considering the circumstances. You do have to admit that the GS and Isaac fanbase isn't one that usually lends itself to this because there's been literally nothing in the past few games. Nothing. I don't remember any reaching because there's not even been a tickle and it's not like the desire is higher now than then. If he actually is in though, is it really going to be conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats?

It’s better then chairs or clouds in the sky.

 

[jweb23]

Where the heck did you get 3 unique fighters???

No one confirmed that.

I think you misunderstood what I said.

We will most likely be getting 2 directs soon, the usual Nintendo direct (explaining the new online service plus covering some games) and a possible Smash direct since Sakurai has not talked about the online in Smash yet. That most likely means one character reveal in the regular Nintendo direct and possibly two characters in the Smash direct getting revealed soon.

This isn’t me confirming anything, just stating what will most likely happen in September

 

[Arsenal234]

I was thinking about how they could implement Djinn into Isaac/Felix's moves. It would work similar to Shulk's Monado Arts. Once you press down b you can select 1 of 4 different Djinn. Each Djinn would be active for 10 - 15 seconds and would have to recharge similar to Robin's tomes. You can cancel your equipped Djinn by pressing b when you are in shield similar to how the Inklings recharge ink.

Isaac's Djinn:
Flint (Powers up your Isaac's sword moves)
Sap (Heals Isaac for half of the damage he deals with his next sword attack)
eg. An attack does 10% Isaac heals for 5%. Sap would be active for 10 - 15 seconds or until he connects a hit.
Vine ( Isaac points forward and a Djinn flies forward into an opponent)
If the djinn connects it covers the opponets in vines until they break out. Think of Issac using the djinn like Olimar's forward smash and, think of the vines like being in Yoshi's egg.
Ground (Isaac sends a djinn towards his opponent and if it hits the opponent is planted into the ground) Think of ground like DK's side b or Villager's down smash.

Felix's Djinn:
Echo (gives Felix a two hit combo) Think 2 hits of Cloud's f smash or Link's f smash.
Steel (Basically the same as Sap)
Petra (Encases an opponent in stone) Think of when characters are frozen but instead of ice they are in stone (can be mashed out of)
Mud (A djinn comes out similarly to Isaac's djinn and if it connects it will stun the opponent) Think of ZSS down smash or Corrin's water shot thing.

This way Felix can still be and Echo of Isaac without being radically different. I thought of adding Granite and Iron, but they might be too
similar to Shulk's shield Art. What do you guys think?

 

[Deleted member]

All I want now after that Direct is Untitled Goose Game to be the biggest game of 2019 and to make a serious argument for Goose to be DLC.

 

[Pwnapplez]

All I want now after that Direct is Untitled Goose Game to be the biggest game of 2019 and to make a serious argument for Goose to be DLC.

I agree. I really think that will be GOTY.

Think about it
50 Cent, Goose the DLC possibility are endless

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

I think you misunderstood what I said.

We will most likely be getting 2 directs soon, the usual Nintendo direct (explaining the new online service plus covering some games) and a possible Smash direct since Sakurai has not talked about the online in Smash yet. That most likely means one character reveal in the regular Nintendo direct and possibly two characters in the Smash direct getting revealed soon.

This isn’t me confirming anything, just stating what will most likely happen in September

I agree with the thought process behind 3 newcomers. Maybe 4. We’re getting less newcomers than previous games. It’s just a hunch, but 8 sounds like a good number to me. It’s roughly half of what’s normally brought in for Smash.

I guess there is a chance that there won’t be any more character reveals, save for a few echoes, but Sakurai knows what we really want. He wouldn’t have blown all 4 newcomer reveals months before the game came out.

I’m sure we’ll get a general Nintendo Direct showcasing the introduction of Online including the perks of paying for it. And I’m sure they’ll touch on Smash’s online functionality. They may or may not throw us a bone during this and give us a character reveal.

And then there’s “Spirits”. I’m sure we’ll get a Smash Direct showcasing that. And here’s where they would have the most likely hood of showing not just one, but 2 characters.

 

[Spatman]

That’s true. If we get ‘Echo Fighters in name only’ like Chrom, as in they’re made stitching together moves from different characters, I could see people actually wanting to buy them.

I can't see what Chrom has different from Roy, besides Ike's upB

 

[jweb23]

I agree with the thought process behind 3 newcomers. Maybe 4. We’re getting less newcomers than previous games. It’s just a hunch, but 8 sounds like a good number to me. It’s roughly half of what’s normally brought in for Smash.

I guess there is a chance that there won’t be any more character reveals, save for a few echoes, but Sakurai knows what we really want. He wouldn’t have blown all 4 newcomer reveals months before the game came out.

I’m sure we’ll get a general Nintendo Direct showcasing the introduction of Online including the perks of paying for it. And I’m sure they’ll touch on Smash’s online functionality. They may or may not throw us a bone during this and give us a character reveal.

And then there’s “Spirits”. I’m sure we’ll get a Smash Direct showcasing that. And here’s where they would have the most likely hood of showing not just one, but 2 characters.

Right now I believe we have 5 unique newcomers left because I believe there will be a Nintendo direct in September (that 1 reveal), there will most likely be a Smash direct covering it’s online (most likely 2 reveals like last time) and we will most likely have a final Smash direct in November covering the new Mode and anything else such as event matches and etc. which could be the last 2 newcomers.

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Yep I agrre with jweb23 , 5 newcomers and a bunch of echoes is the most likely scenario.

 

[Pwnapplez]

Stealing this from HateIsaacFaqs


Skull Kid (leaked by Loz18)
Isaac (indirectly leaked by Loz18)
Ken (leaked by Vergeben)
Isabelle (leaked by Vergeben)
Square Enix Rep (leaked by Vergeben)
Microsoft Rep (indirectly leaked by Vergeben)
Incineroar (indirectly leaked by Vergeben)

Now I don’t believe much in leaks. Verg has a better track record. I don’t believe in loz

Taking all this in
The worst we will get is
Geno or Terra
Pokémon
Ken
Isabelle

I don’t believe Minecraft will get a fighter

I don’t know who gave the info to loz
If it’s a low level NOA worker who set up the booth at E3 he will not know anything about the smashline up.

However, if he knows someone who works at treehouse then who knows at this point in time.

The video he had on twitter looked like the press only booth at E3. No Nintendo Ambassador were let in, we got to play hands on before the smash invitational however all the workers there didn’t know anything besides the demo.

So, I don’t know what to believe.

I’ll kiss Loz If he is right

 

[THE 6r]

Stealing this from HateIsaacFaqs


Skull Kid (leaked by Loz18)
Isaac (indirectly leaked by Loz18)
Ken (leaked by Vergeben)
Isabelle (leaked by Vergeben)
Square Enix Rep (leaked by Vergeben)
Microsoft Rep (indirectly leaked by Vergeben)
Incineroar (indirectly leaked by Vergeben)

Now I don’t believe much in leaks. Verg has a better track record. I don’t believe in loz

Taking all this in
The worst we will get is
Geno or Terra
Pokémon
Ken
Isabelle

I don’t believe Minecraft will get a fighter

I don’t know who gave the info to loz
If it’s a low level NOA worker who set up the booth at E3 he will not know anything about the smashline up.

However, if he knows someone who works at treehouse then who knows at this point in time.

The video he had on twitter looked like the press only booth at E3. No Nintendo Ambassador were let in, we got to play hands on before the smash invitational however all the workers there didn’t know anything besides the demo.

So, I don’t know what to believe.

I’ll kiss Loz If he is right

I believe if, and that's big IF, there is a Microsoft rep. It's not Steve, it has to be B&K. That's what I get from the MS rep from Verg.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It's not a matter of evidence, it's more what is the most plausible and what happened for smash 4.

We have no evidence to suggest what is and isn’t plausible either way, only ‘it hasn’t happened yet’.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Because they can. Because it's easier to start with a base already in the game. Because they've upgraded a character before. Because it would make fans happy. It's not like it's a stretch to see why they would want to.

This is insanely delusional. Learn how to accept defeat gracefully

 

[Organization XIII]

This is insanely delusional. Learn how to accept defeat gracefully

If I was incorrect sure but I'm not the one throwing out completely valid lines of thoughts for no reason.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

The ballot might be still the best shot that we got in making Isaac relavent again.

If there was enough votes, and the exit poll was reflective of the # of votes that one made for Isaac, then Isaac would indeed be considered.

However, if the amount of votes he got were much lower than expected, Sakurai might not consider him.

How with next 2/3 more directs will answer with any golden sun content is troubling to pinpoint.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There is nothing delusional at all about thinking something could happen, when there's no evidence that it can't.

Like, I don't think we're going to get a DLC AT upgrade either. Doesn't mean it can't happen. It means it's nothing more than a potential possibility. And people are being realistic because they don't think it honestly will happen. It's just something that is a fun hypothetical. It won't ever happen only will apply if Sakurai makes it clear he will never do that. Since he never spoken on it nor do we have a precedent set for DLC(we have had one DLC period. That was it) at all.

It would be delusional to think it would happen without a doubt. Wondering if Sakurai would ever do this is the complete opposite. Likewise, calling people delusional is getting into uncivil territory. Don't attack other members. Respect their opinions. Respect the fact people have fun hypotheticals. Respectfully disagree with others.

 

[ZelDan]

I agree. I really think that will be GOTY.

Think about it
50 Cent, Goose the DLC possibility are endless

Had Coename STEAM been more successful and popular we could have even had Abe Lincoln in Smash. Darn shame things didn't work out with that game.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Had Coename STEAM been more successful and popular we could have even had Abe Lincoln in Smash. Darn shame things didn't work out with that game.

Man, I remember tha game flopped BADLY.

 

[TempestSurge]

I got to say, when pictures on the website range from Chrom posing in dog ears, Ike taunting in front of an assist trophy, or close up of characters attacking or just staring blankly into the fourth wall. When you get a picture like the Rathalos one that seems to have all this effort put into it to set up the perfect shot and it just so happens to have so many coincidences with Golden Sun, and it's the one screenshot that Sakurai tweeted. It's certainly eye brow raising.

Also in my head I'm just thinking of some team member who's a big fan of Golden Sun and they're setting up the picture and they show Sakurai how Rathalos gave them Doom Dragon vibes so they thought it'd be fun to set up a 'Golden Sun' type of party and try to replicate the members with who they had to work with. And Sakurai amazed at how he got the angle to make it like they're really in a party likes the picture so much that he'll tweet it out to show his fans but that he hopes that this doesn't make people think Isaac's in the game or something.

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

While I don’t think it would happen, I’ve been having fun thinking about what Alex would be like if he were a playable character. Seeing as how we don’t really know how he fights. He’s primarily a schemer, plotting and toying with the protagonists as well as the antagonists, but despite this we know he’s an extremely gifted and powerful Mercury Adept. So, let’s have fun with this for a moment. Do you think he’s use Psynergies we’ve already been accustomed to, or would he be different, using more abstract forms of Psynergy?

 

[Metocles]

I just remember being horribly disappointed that it wasn't Advance Wars because they teased that it was a new tactics game. I'm not a huge fan of the overwatch tactics games i.e. X-com and whatnot. Plus I remember that game had some off-putting mechanics to me so it just killed my interest. Heard the people that played it really liked it though.

 

[User Name String]

I got to say, when pictures on the website range from Chrom posing in dog ears, Ike taunting in front of an assist trophy, or close up of characters attacking or just staring blankly into the fourth wall. When you get a picture like the Rathalos one that seems to have all this effort put into it to set up the perfect shot and it just so happens to have so many coincidences with Golden Sun, and it's the one screenshot that Sakurai tweeted. It's certainly eye brow raising.

Also in my head I'm just thinking of some team member who's a big fan of Golden Sun and they're setting up the picture and they show Sakurai how Rathalos gave them Doom Dragon vibes so they thought it'd be fun to set up a 'Golden Sun' type of party and try to replicate the members with who they had to work with. And Sakurai amazed at how he got the angle to make it like they're really in a party likes the picture so much that he'll tweet it out to show his fans but that he hopes that this doesn't make people think Isaac's in the game or something.

The only picture I question as much as that on is the picture of Snake with a background that does not match any stage.

 

[Pwnapplez]

Had Coename STEAM been more successful and popular we could have even had Abe Lincoln in Smash. Darn shame things didn't work out with that game.

I would of loved to have Abe Lincoln curb stomp Corrin.

 

[SonicLink125]

I would of loved to have Abe Lincoln curb stomp Corrin.

Oh my!