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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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I was looking up remixes of Isaac's battle theme and this was one of the best I came across. Mainly due to it being one of the few not Rock/Metal versions lol. Not trying to say those are bad but that style never works for me when it comes to Golden Sun music.
 

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Honestly, the thing that has tainted Waluigi for me isn't the fanbase, but the consistent amount of youtubers who genuinely think Waluigi will definetely get in.

Like, i hear people say "Waluigi will definitely get in due to the backlash."


No. Sorry to say, but he's an assist trophy. Lyn is also an assist trophy, but just because a lot of people are wanting it, doesnt mean Sakurai is suddenly gonna waste time and money making an already deveolped and ported assist trophy into a character.

Characters like isaac at least have the benefit of not being shown, and his assist trophy being cut in 4, so he at least has potential to be in.

No. Waluigi got made an assist trophy. And Sakurai isn't gonna put resources into making Waluigi a character when they probably already got other characters, modes, and tons of bug-testing to do before the game is released in 3 months.

This isn't an attack on the fans, but a critique on the youtubers spreading this misinformation and potentially clickbaiting them. It's not cool.
Adding to that, also the seemingly massive amount of people that will just go "lol imagine if Waluigi actually got in right? for the memes lol". I swear there's a couple of Reddit threads every day with people just making the most absurd Waluigi predictions, and upon being challenged, just going "lol i just want him for the memes". It legitimately taints the character in the eyes of a lot of people.

...now if they were at least supporting an Assist Trophy that shooould be made playable......

But yeah, it's still not good form to generalize a fanbase. Although funnily enough, just today I read on /v/ a thread about how Isaac's fans tend to be more pessimistic and less hostile than a lot other popular character's fanbases, which is why the Isaac support always appears to be smaller than it actually is (dude is always up there in every poll). Part of that is why I want Isaac in, honestly, ever since the Brawl speculation days his fans were always chill people who simply wanted their character in. Hard not to want them to get their due.
 

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Waluigi won't be in the base roster as a playable character, so people should be hoping instead for the possibility of AT getting promoted through DLC.
 

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As someone who has seen a couple wanted characters become AT (Shovel Knight and Lyn again), I highly doubt these characters will get promoted into playable positions, not even for DLC (though I wouldn't hate to be proven wrong).

At best, I'm hoping we'll maybe get something similar to what that mimique twitter person predicted where you have a way to choose an AT or two to join you into battle and can call them into battle. Even ifwe don't get to play as them, just the option to get these characters to join us and have some level of control over them would be kinda cool.
 

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https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldenSun/comments/9aurk5/mrw_i_saw_mii_swordfighters_new_design_during_e3/

Thoughts? I definitely don't think this means anything at all but he subtly looks like Isaac lol
I think it’s just the new re-design. Doesn’t look like Isaac to me
As someone who has seen a couple wanted characters become AT (Shovel Knight and Lyn again), I highly doubt these characters will get promoted into playable positions, not even for DLC (though I wouldn't hate to be proven wrong).

At best, I'm hoping we'll maybe get something similar to what that mimique twitter person predicted where you have a way to choose an AT or two to join you into battle and can call them into battle. Even ifwe don't get to play as them, just the option to get these characters to join us and have some level of control over them would be kinda cool.
My only argument for that is if Isaac was an AT I feel like he would of been shown off. He was missing from smash 4 unlike Lyn.
SK I believe is an AT because of indie.
He’s iconic yes, but fighters like Simon and other 3rd party characters. Cloud is the exception but FF started on Nintendo.

I feel like Isaac has the best potential as a ballot choice.

Geno won’t be a ballot choice only because Sakurai wanted him.

If Isaac is skipped over and we get nothing, then Nintendo wants nothing to do with GS
 

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Adding to that, also the seemingly massive amount of people that will just go "lol imagine if Waluigi actually got in right? for the memes lol". I swear there's a couple of Reddit threads every day with people just making the most absurd Waluigi predictions, and upon being challenged, just going "lol i just want him for the memes". It legitimately taints the character in the eyes of a lot of people.

...now if they were at least supporting an Assist Trophy that shooould be made playable......

But yeah, it's still not good form to generalize a fanbase. Although funnily enough, just today I read on /v/ a thread about how Isaac's fans tend to be more pessimistic and less hostile than a lot other popular character's fanbases, which is why the Isaac support always appears to be smaller than it actually is (dude is always up there in every poll). Part of that is why I want Isaac in, honestly, ever since the Brawl speculation days his fans were always chill people who simply wanted their character in. Hard not to want them to get their due.
As someone who has seen a couple wanted characters become AT (Shovel Knight and Lyn again), I highly doubt these characters will get promoted into playable positions, not even for DLC (though I wouldn't hate to be proven wrong).

At best, I'm hoping we'll maybe get something similar to what that mimique twitter person predicted where you have a way to choose an AT or two to join you into battle and can call them into battle. Even ifwe don't get to play as them, just the option to get these characters to join us and have some level of control over them would be kinda cool.
The thing about Waluigi being constantly predicted to be in the game is that it just seems wrong to manipulate the already heartbroken fans when they're already down, and it just seems like you're trying to profit off of the gullible nature of the waluigi fanbase.

I doubt they would EVER make an AT into a character unless they decide for it NEXT game. Ridley wasn't turned into a character until after 4, when people had complained about his deconfirmation and the reasons. So they voted for him.

if sakurai wants to put Waluigi in, he'll do it next game.
 

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I think it’s just the new re-design. Doesn’t look like Isaac to me


My only argument for that is if Isaac was an AT I feel like he would of been shown off. He was missing from smash 4 unlike Lyn.
SK I believe is an AT because of indie.
He’s iconic yes, but fighters like Simon and other 3rd party characters. Cloud is the exception but FF started on Nintendo.

I feel like Isaac has the best potential as a ballot choice.

Geno won’t be a ballot choice only because Sakurai wanted him.

If Isaac is skipped over and we get nothing, then Nintendo wants nothing to do with GS
I wasn't saying Isaac will return as an AT? When I was talking about characters not being promoted into playable fighters I was talking about characters already confirmed to be AT in SSB Ultimate.
 

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The thing about Waluigi being constantly predicted to be in the game is that it just seems wrong to manipulate the already heartbroken fans when they're already down, and it just seems like you're trying to profit off of the gullible nature of the waluigi fanbase.

I doubt they would EVER make an AT into a character unless they decide for it NEXT game. Ridley wasn't turned into a character until after 4, when people had complained about his deconfirmation and the reasons. So they voted for him.

if sakurai wants to put Waluigi in, he'll do it next game.
In addition, it’s Camelot.
Maybe Sakurai said, Isaac or Waluigi and Hopefully Camelot picked Isaac to be a fighter.
 

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Waluigi is an AT. Speculating otherwise is actually stupid. The reason why people talk about characters like Isaac, Geno, Shadow, Ken, Dixie Kong, etc. is because they have NOT YET BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE A ROLE IN THIS GAME. Waluigi is not happening in Ultimate. He's going to have to wait for next time.
 

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Waluigi is not happening in Ultimate. He's going to have to wait for next time.
For base absolutely. As DLC it is actually still possible. There's nothing stopping characters from being upgraded through DLC. I don't know if he will or not but people really have to stop discounting the possibility.
 

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Personally I prefer this version of an updated Isaac Battle Theme

Turn down your volume before you click on it.

I feel like it retains the proper instrumentals without making it [insert Epic Rock Orchestral Blah Blah Blah] and just updates it. Like this is how I imagine Isaac’s theme to sound is GS we’re to be remade in the Switch.
 
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For base absolutely. As DLC it is actually still possible. There's nothing stopping characters from being upgraded through DLC. I don't know if he will or not but people really have to stop discounting the possibility.
But why would they delete the assist trophy that they already spent time getting ported?

And until that happens, a large majority will not consider it for DLC.


Personally I prefer this version of an updated Isaac Battle Theme


I feel like it retains the proper instrumentals without making it [insert Epic Rock Orchestral Blah Blah Blah] and just updates it. Like this is how I imagine Isaac’s theme to sound is GS we’re to be remade in the Switch.
Well, i didn't need my ears anyway.
 
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But why would they delete the assist trophy that they already spent time getting ported?

And until that happens, a large majority will not consider it for DLC.
Because they can. Because it's easier to start with a base already in the game. Because they've upgraded a character before. Because it would make fans happy. It's not like it's a stretch to see why they would want to.
 

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Because they can. Because it's easier to start with a base already in the game. Because they've upgraded a character before. Because it would make fans happy. It's not like it's a stretch to see why they would want to.
But the only times that have happened is in the next game....

Seriously man. You're reaching.
 

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But they've also only ever had DLC once and it was clearly planned in advance so there's never really been a chance for it to happen in the same game.
But why? Why make DLC that fundamentally changes one of the base components (in this case the Assist Trophy item) just because a few fans were unhappy with one aspect of it? Why go through all that work? It makes no sense.
 

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But why? Why make DLC that fundamentally changes one of the base components (in this case the Assist Trophy item) just because a few fans were unhappy with one aspect of it? Why go through all that work? It makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense. Most fans would rather have a playable version of the character and Sakurai's view on the character's popularity or moveset potential may have changed. Besides it's not like they are completely throwing away the work they used on the AT they'd be building from it, actually saving time.
 
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It makes perfect sense. Most fans would rather have a playable version of the character and Sakurai's view on the character's popularity or moveset potential may have changed. Besides it's not like they are completely throwing away the work they used on the AT they'd be building from it, actually saving time.
I get what you're saying, but still it just doesn't seem very likely, if at all possible.
 

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But they've also only ever had DLC once and it was clearly planned in advance so there's never really been a chance for it to happen in the same game.
That's barely even a reason.

That's like if i said they would totally make fiora into a character, even though she's in Shulk's Final smash, SHE COULD TOTALLY BE A CHARACTER BECAUSE THE DLC WAS UNFAIR. CHARACTERS UPGRADING IN DLC IS TOTALLY A POSSIBILITY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

Yes, everything has a chance. A flipping Golden Sun game could happen. My flipping computer could explode into fairies. Doesn't mean it's likely.

Once a character is deconfirmed, it's deconfirmed.
 

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That's barely even a reason.

That's like if i said they would totally make fiora into a character, even though she's in Shulk's Final smash, SHE COULD TOTALLY BE A CHARACTER BECAUSE THE DLC WAS UNFAIR. CHARACTERS UPGRADING IN DLC IS TOTALLY A POSSIBILITY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

Yes, everything has a chance. A flipping Golden Sun game could happen. My flipping computer could explode into fairies. Doesn't mean it's likely.

Once a character is deconfirmed, it's deconfirmed.
It's a better reason than what you're providing. It's not impossible and it makes a lot of sense. There's no reason to discount the possibility.

I get what you're saying, but still it just doesn't seem very likely, if at all possible.
It's fine if you don't think it's likely. I have no idea if they will or not but it's definitely possible.
 
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It's a better reason than what you're providing. It's not impossible and it makes a lot of sense. There's no reason to discount the possibility.
Just because it's not impossible doesn't mean it's likely. What the **** are on?

Yes, there is a reason to discount the possibility. It's because it's not been a thing. And until it's a thing, it's not likely.


Also, yeah. sure. It makes sense. Making a good Paper Mario game makes sense. Having Online be free makes sense. Buying Banjo Kazooie back makes sense.


BUT. IT. DOESN'T. MEAN. IT'S. LIKELY.
 

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Just a thought that crossed my mind, don't you think the lack of Isaac AT in smash 4 could have been because he was considered potential DLC at some point ? If this little theory is true that could imply that any AT that shows up are considered a big NO for daddy Sakurai.
 

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Just because it's not impossible doesn't mean it's likely. What the **** are on?

Yes, there is a reason to discount the possibility. It's because it's not been a thing. And until it's a thing, it's not likely.


Also, yeah. sure. It makes sense. Making a good Paper Mario game makes sense. Having Online be free makes sense. Buying Banjo Kazooie back makes sense.


BUT. IT. DOESN'T. MEAN. IT'S. LIKELY.
It also wasn't likely we get a third party in Smash. It also wasn't likely Ridley would be in. It also wasn't likely we'd get a new FE character without replacing the last one. It was also unlikely we'd have no cuts. It was also unlikely we'd get 2 3rd party characters from the same company. It was also unlikely we'd get a character that's irrelevant. You keep confusing what hasn't happened with what can't.
 

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It also wasn't likely we get a third party in Smash. It also wasn't likely Ridley would be in. It also wasn't likely we'd get a new FE character without replacing the last one. It was also unlikely we'd have no cuts. It was also unlikely we'd get 2 3rd party characters from the same company. It was also unlikely we'd get a character that's irrelevant. You keep confusing what hasn't happened with what can't.
You're delusional if you think that all AT have a possibility of becoming a character because "SAKURAI IS UNPREDICTABLE. lol."
 

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I can see both your points. I myself fall under the mindeset that if a character is revealed as an Assist then they will not be playable for the remainder of the game’s lifespan. Maybe they’ll have their chance in the next game.

But as silly as, “just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it can’t happen” sounds, it is true.

And, TBH, it’s be a helluva reveal. I’m not even a Waluigi fan, kinda hate the character if I must be honest, but it’d be both hilariously over the top and somewhat true to how ridiculous the character can be if somehow he tricked some rando into be being his Doppleganger or something.

Anyway I think it’s important to acknowledge your differences and move past that. Don’t let a discussion of Waluigi of all people turn into an argument and derail the point of this entire thread.
 

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You're delusional if you think that all AT have a possibility of becoming a character because "SAKURAI IS UNPREDICTABLE. lol."
Yes, that was clearly the point I was making. Not that silly fan rules are always broken but that "SAKURAI IS UNPREDICTABLE. lol." You got me.
 
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But as silly as, “just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it can’t happen” sounds, it is true.
If people want to believe that, sure. Go ahead. i hope they are ready for disappointment. Because reality is a *****. i ain't willing to believe such an occurrence happening, because i'm not a gullible person.
 
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Everything is possible but do you guys really think Sakurai would have put a Waluigi AT if he thought there would be the slightest possibility of him being a DLC. I know he doesn't think about DLC before the base game development has ended but I'm sure he at least knows who he's sure won't be considered.
 

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If Isaac doesn’t get in the base game, it doesn’t hurt to ask for him in DLC, particularly if there is another ballot.

If ATs do get upgraded to playable in DLC, then we’ll get him, and if they don’t, the support will have been heard for the next game.

It’s worth noting that ‘Assist Trophies can’t be made playable through DLC’ is a fan rule that has no evidence supporting it.
 

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Everything is possible but do you guys really think Sakurai would have put a Waluigi AT if he thought there would be the slightest possibility of him being a DLC. I know he doesn't think about DLC before the base game development has ended but I'm sure he at least knows who he's sure won't be considered.
The most of DLC we will get for Waluigi is a Mii outfit

Once and AT you stay an AT (for that game)

It would be stupid for Sakurai to make Ashely or Waluigi a fighter. That means he would have to remove the item and then make em fighters.


Your character shows up as an AT? That’s it, pack your bags and wait for the next game.

The reason they are an AT is because they don’t work as a fighter in Sakurai eyes.

Don’t get drunk in desires.

If Isaac gets deconfirmed please, I wish the whole community will accept the fate and act like adults.

Right now we are viewed as crazy people for wanting isaac
I don’t want my fav character to also be associated with man children who will scream and yell.


We all want Isaac badly, just don’t like that turn you into a monster
 

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If Isaac doesn’t get in the base game, it doesn’t hurt to ask for him in DLC, particularly if there is another ballot.

If ATs do get upgraded to playable in DLC, then we’ll get him, and if they don’t, the support will have been heard for the next game.

It’s worth noting that ‘Assist Trophies can’t be made playable through DLC’ is a fan rule that has no evidence supporting it.
Yeah, but since no assist trophies have been upgraded through DLC, it's best to assume that for now it's not a thing.
Tinfoil hats are not healthy, you guys.
 
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