Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[XenoWarriorX]

Inner Hype: *begins to vibrate in anticipation*

NO! BAD HYPE! They don't do announcements on release anniversaries!

Except Little Mac.

But wasn't little mac also an assist trophy in brawl?

cue heavy speculative noises.

Also, here's something that would be cool.

How about if isaac and Felix get into smash, they have two seperate final smashes?

Like...-

Isaac's final smash:

And Felix's final smash:

 

[alguidrag]

But wasn't little mac also an assist trophy in brawl?

cue heavy speculative noises.

Also, here's something that would be cool.

How about if isaac and Felix get into smash, they have two seperate final smashes?

Like...-

Isaac's final smash:

And Felix's final smash:

I would love Felix having Megiddo as his Final Smash... but Eclipse would be cool to, or the "Evil Judgment" to be a mirrored since Isaac is a Hero, and Felix (also a Hero) but see itself as a Villain

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

Dang it! Now I can't stop thinking of a sitcom of Isaac and Waluigi together and call it "The Camelot Brothers" or something like that.
A scenario if they lived in an apartment and Isaac is chilling on the couch:
Waluigi (bashing through the door): "WAH! Isaac! We got a letter from Sakurai!"
Isaac (Jumping with excitement): Wait, what!?! Are you going to be an AT again or a fighter?!? Wait? Am I coming back?!?
Waluigi (Reading the letter): Mmm...WAH?!? I'm an AT again?!? Agh!!!
Isaac: What?!? That's too bad...does it say anything about me?
Waluigi (Reads that Isaac IS a new fighter; INTERNAL WAH!!!): Uh...nope, nothing about you. Sorry bro.
Isaac: Really? Oh...

You guys can think of the rest. This is what popped in my head...and now I want a comic of this.

Then Ivan reads Waluigi's mind and tells Isaac the truth and then Isaac joins Smash! The happy ending we all deserve

 

[XenoWarriorX]

I would love Felix having Megiddo as his Final Smash... but Eclipse would be cool to, or the "Evil Judgment" to be a mirrored since Isaac is a Hero, and Felix (also a Hero) but see itself as a Villain

Megiddo is cool and all.

But can it summon a ****ing DRAGON?

 

[N3ON]

Judgment (or any summon) in HD would be wild.

 

[KMDP]

Megiddo is cool and all.

But can it summon a ****ing DRAGON?

But Megiddo creates a sun and drops it on people, that's about as rad as a Dragon.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

But Megiddo creates a sun and drops it on people, that's about as rad as a Dragon.

But as a person that TempestSurge had told us about once said.

"a guy shooting Golden Suns out of his hands adds nothing to Smash."

*Though while i do like megiddo, eclipse is sill my preference.*

 

[KMDP]

Iris is where it's at.

Trouble with your enemies? Launch 'em into the sun.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Iris is where it's at.

Trouble with your enemies? Launch 'em into the sun.

If they made iris the final smash, would they just launch all the fighters offscreen? xD

 

[KMDP]

If they made iris the final smash, would they just launch all the fighters offscreen? xD

Yes.

Obviously that is what it'd do.

EDIT: ...Actually, it'd be better to be a cinematic like, say, Captain Falcon's, anyone who is caught who is above 100% is instantly KO'd in the process.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Yes.

Obviously that is what it'd do.

EDIT: ...Actually, it'd be better to be a cinematic like, say, Captain Falcon's, anyone who is caught who is above 100% is instantly KO'd in the process.

But most final smashes don't KO them in the cinematic.

RIght?

 

[KMDP]

But most final smashes don't KO them in the cinematic.

RIght?

Bayonetta's does.

As does Zelda's new one.

There's also the Death Scythe and maybe Mimikyu.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

But most final smashes don't KO them in the cinematic.

RIght?

Bayonetta's does.

As does Zelda's new one.

There's also the Death Scythe and maybe Mimikyu.

There's a video where Ridley's FS does the same thing over 100%, and there's a video where Zelda's doesn't kill at less than 100%. So I assume it's a new mechanic spun off Bayonetta's, where there are several things in the game that can do it.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Bayonetta's does.

As does Zelda's new one.

There's also the Death Scythe and maybe Mimikyu.

Actually, those two actually go back to the game to show the other going offscreen.

Would Iris do that too? *thinking emoticon*

 

[Retroend]

i honestly want a mount aleph stage with sol sanctum.

 

[KMDP]

There's a video where Ridley's FS does the same thing over 100%, and there's a video where Zelda's doesn't kill at less than 100%. So I assume it's a new mechanic spun off Bayonetta's, where there are several things in the game that can do it.

The mechanic goes back to Great Cave Offensive. The red sections of the stage kill at over 100% if you touch them.

The same red bits also appear in the Master Fortress boss fight.

Actually, those two actually go back to the game to show the other going offscreen.

Would Iris do that too? *thinking emoticon*

Zelda has a new Final Smash called Triforce of Wisdom. It is a trapping KO move, sucking in the opponent and immobilizing them while dealing damage. If the opponent is at or above 100% damage by the end of the attack, they are instantly KO'd (similar to Bayonetta's Final Smash.)

If you have less than 100% damage, you are sent flying like normal, but if you have over 100% damage you disappear once the Final Smash is over and never even see the blast zone. Same as Bayonetta's.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

The mechanic goes back to Great Cave Offensive. The red sections of the stage kill at over 100% if you touch them.

The same red bits also appear in the Master Fortress boss fight.


If you have less than 100% damage, you are sent flying like normal, but if you have over 100% damage you disappear once the Final Smash is over and never even see the blast zone. Same as Bayonetta's.

Oh. Thanks-

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

The mechanic goes back to Great Cave Offensive. The red sections of the stage kill at over 100% if you touch them.

The same red bits also appear in the Master Fortress boss fight.


If you have less than 100% damage, you are sent flying like normal, but if you have over 100% damage you disappear once the Final Smash is over and never even see the blast zone. Same as Bayonetta's.

Oh yeah. I blocked out that stage completely after Kirby's Crazy Appetite....

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

Oh yeah. I blocked out that stage completely after Kirby's Crazy Appetite....

I had forgotten all about that and now the frustration just hit me like a brick. That was the first event mode in a long while that felt on par with the difficulty of Melee's

Oh, that's an idea. If event mode returns, what kind of ideas could you come up with for Golden Sun-themed events? One where Isaac duels a Felix echo or a dragon character both feel like givens. How about one where Isaac has to use a particular Psynergy, like maybe he's protecting somebody from an oncoming attacker and needs to use Move on either of them to keep them at a distance until a timer runs out.

 

[Nossnitro102]

I thought I could go back and read up to the present page but I just can't. It's too much. DX I'm sorry. But I'm glad that this thread is almost at 200. That's pretty crazy.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I had forgotten all about that and now the frustration just hit me like a brick. That was the first event mode in a long while that felt on par with the difficulty of Melee's

Oh, that's an idea. If event mode returns, what kind of ideas could you come up with for Golden Sun-themed events? One where Isaac duels a Felix echo or a dragon character both feel like givens. How about one where Isaac has to use a particular Psynergy, like maybe he's protecting somebody from an oncoming attacker and needs to use Move on either of them to keep them at a distance until a timer runs out.

Chrom and Robin vs Isaac and Felix would be a dope event match.

 

[pholtos]

If event mode returns, what kind of ideas could you come up with for Golden Sun-themed events?

Stop the villager from cutting down trees to quell Tret's anger.

 

[KMDP]

Stop the villager from cutting down trees to quell Tret's anger.

I was going to say "It's a little difficult to come up with events when we don't know what Stages or Items we're going to get"...

But this...

You got me pholtos, that was a good one.

 

[Silo777]

Well I guess I join the "having a dream about Isaac in Smash Bros" club. I was so devastated when I woke up. From what I remember, It was a Direct and they were covering the Assist Trophies. They get to Isaac and he looks the same as he did in brawl, until he suddenly casts Ragnarok on the person who summoned him. Then splash screen "Isaac assists no longer!" Then I woke up, darn.

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

Well I guess I join the "having a dream about Isaac in Smash Bros" club. I was so devastated when I woke up. From what I remember, It was a Direct and they were covering the Assist Trophies. They get to Isaac and he looks the same as he did in brawl, until he suddenly casts Ragnarok on the person who summoned him. Then splash screen "Isaac assists no longer!" Then I woke up, darn.

Other than my heart sinking to the pit of my gut for that brief moment I'd say this would be a great trailer.

 

[Tetiro]

Iris is where it's at.

Trouble with your enemies? Launch 'em into the sun.

I launched my enemies into the sun. Came back crispy. 10/10 would recommend.

 

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai loves video games. He's said he actually basically keeps a library of games. So it's not out of the question that he'd be familiar with Golden Sun enough to make those references

Sakurai literally has a storage unit for all his video games. I'm sure he owns over a thousand physical copies of video games. He's made articles about it in his Famitsu columns. It's a big reason why he has such a good touch for working on video games and going back to source material on older games; because he played all of them, and is able to break them down piece by piece together with the various Smash Bros dev teams he's worked with.

That'll be a tad confusing when the Zero Assist Trophy is summoned.

David Vincent voices both Male Robin and Richter Belmont in Smash Bros (in English). I don't think this is a problem with voice actor overlap. Heck Charles Martinet voices Mario, Luigi, Wario and Waluigi, and we've never had a problem with that either.

Though TBH, I would rather Isaac not have a voice actor (in the usual sense) and just talk in the jumbled Golden Sun speech!

 

[KMDP]

David Vincent voices both Robin and Richter Belmont in Smash Bros. I don't think this is a problem with voice actor overlap. Heck Charles Martinet voices Mario, Luigi, Wario and Waluigi, and we've never had a problem with that either.

Though TBH, I would rather Isaac not have a voice actor (in the usual sense) and just talk in the jumbled Golden Sun speech!

BEEBLE-EEBLE-EEBLE-EEE!

 

[Johnknight1]

Judgment (or any summon) in HD would be wild.

Anything from Golden Sun would be epic. I wonder how a stage would function graphically.

Would it have the GBA-esk graphics integrated into it at all (kinda like Pilotwings a bit) or would it all be modernized?

Regardless, it would be a tripppppppp to see a Golden Sun stage, setting or characters in full 1080p HD with all those beautiful, beautiful models in Smash Ultimate's gorgeous art styles.

 

[praline]

Anything from Golden Sun would be epic. I wonder how a stage would function graphically.

Would it have the GBA-esk graphics integrated into it at all (kinda like Pilotwings a bit) or would it all be modernized?

Regardless, it would be a tripppppppp to see a Golden Sun stage, setting or characters in full 1080p HD with all those beautiful, beautiful models in Smash Ultimate's gorgeous art styles.

I'd hope it would be full 3D

 

[Frosty Pops]

i actually looked up online. Last year they had a Nindies Presentation August 30th and a general Direct September 13th. They already did this same thing last year.



I was merely sharing my honest opinions on Geno. I was never arguing relevance in regards to Geno. I was arguing importance. Either way, I'll be fine with Geno after K. Rool, Ridley, and Isaac (I would include Banjo but even I have to admit that Geno is an easier inclusion than Banjo).

I still think there's more characters that are more deserving than Geno is, but if Sakurai sees enough support to justify it, then fine.

I don't think importance has to do with it much in smash. First example ice climbers, I didn't know who they were till I saw them in smash. ROB as my second example...a one off console with nothing special about it, sold terribly, and was very forgettable. Duck hunt dog...came out of nowhere, no one was asking for him he just jumped on my screen flipped everyone off and said "surprise b****es!!!" And mr game and watch...I bet most younger people haven't played a single game that he represents through his moveset. And lets not forget the long dead but brought back to life Pit. Only in 2 games, much older than geno, and nowhere near geno level of a fanbase. So in conclusion...what is this importance you speak of? Lol

 

[Johnknight1]

I'd hope it would be full 3D

Same but I'm open to other things. Like how Pilotwings used 3D graphics but you could see the old SNES world in 16-bit when landing.

That was really cool as someone who enjoyed the original Pilotwings on the Super Nintendo.

 

[Frosty Pops]

Same here. In the beginning I didn't feel for any newcomer. Most really grew on me now. But I specifically wanted certain character who got ib Smash 4 OUT... For example Pac Man, Mii, Cloud.. Got upset about Greninja "taking Mewtwo's spot" (retrospectively I like Greninja best out of all newcomers in 4 lol), the 3rd party explosion, strange cuts as Lucas and Wolf, Mii Fighters being even more lame than expected, relevance and sales mattering before anything else.. am thankful Ultimate is doing the exact opposite.

Ok with all of what you are saying except the pac man part lol, he is a huge early arcade representative. Also all of his quirky attacks make him extremely fun to play imo, I don't think he was added unjustifiably. And technically it was lucario who had filled in for mewtwo.

 

[Johnknight1]

Chrom and Robin vs Isaac and Felix would be a dope event match.

Imagining Isaac and Felix fighting all the Echo Fighter pairing teams we have sounds exciting

Marth/Lucina, Pit/Dark Pit, Peach/Daisy, Roy/Chrom and Samus/Dark Samus! (and more to follow too!)

That would be fun to do TBH.

 

[StormC]

I don't think importance has to do with it much in smash. First example ice climbers, I didn't know who they were till I saw them in smash. ROB as my second example...a one off console with nothing special about it, sold terribly, and was very forgettable. Duck hunt dog...came out of nowhere, no one was asking for him he just jumped on my screen flipped everyone off and said "surprise b****es!!!" And mr game and watch...I bet most younger people haven't played a single game that he represents through his moveset. And lets not forget the long dead but brought back to life Pit. Only in 2 games, much older than geno, and nowhere near geno level of a fanbase. So in conclusion...what is this importance you speak of? Lol

Ice Climbers is really the only example you have that make sense - and they were chosen because Sakurai wanted to represent an NES launch title.

R.O.B. was crucial in selling the NES in North America. Retailers and consumers alike were deathly afraid of video games because of the great video game crash. But R.O.B. was a trojan horse that sold the NES as a "toy."

Duck Hunt is an extremely well-remembered game across generations, and as Sakurai himself pointed out, is probably the highest selling shooting game of all time. The dog has become a video game icon that almost anybody can recognize, even if they've never played Duck Hunt.

Mr. Game And Watch represents Nintendo's first foray into video games, and even at the time of Melee's release, would be known thanks to the Game And Watch collections on Game Boy. Without this crucial stepping stone, we would not have had the NES.

Pit is the protagonist of a cult classic NES game, which was developed alongside sister series Metroid. Pit was actually a very common request for Smash, which Sakurai noted when he added him to Brawl.

Geno is a supporting character in a single game without much in the way of importance to Nintendo or video games in general. It does have a lot of fans (including myself), but comparing it to those other ones is fairly disingenuous.

 

[TempestSurge]

Well I guess I join the "having a dream about Isaac in Smash Bros" club. I was so devastated when I woke up. From what I remember, It was a Direct and they were covering the Assist Trophies. They get to Isaac and he looks the same as he did in brawl, until he suddenly casts Ragnarok on the person who summoned him. Then splash screen "Isaac assists no longer!" Then I woke up, darn.

Sometimes I do wonder whether Sakurai will troll in the Isaac trailer like he did with King K. Rool so I've been running a few scenarios in my head like characters fighting something they can't handle and grab and assist trophy and Isaac pops out and they point at his target or heck another thing I could see Sakurai doing is having Isaac take out his sword so there's that, 'Ugh another swordsfighter!' type of mentality before unleashing his psynergy lol. Also I wonder who would die in Isaac's trailer, well if that trend continues still lol.

 

[Skyblade12]

Sometimes I do wonder whether Sakurai will troll in the Isaac trailer like he did with King K. Rool so I've been running a few scenarios in my head like characters fighting something they can't handle and grab and assist trophy and Isaac pops out and they point at his target or heck another thing I could see Sakurai doing is having Isaac take out his sword so there's that, 'Ugh another swordsfighter!' type of mentality before unleashing his psynergy lol. Also I wonder who would die in Isaac's trailer, well if that trend continues still lol.

Nope.

The thing is, K. Rool is a trollish character. How many final bosses get up and attack you during the end credits? Isaac is brutally straightforward, and his trailer will be built around him, just like K. Rool’s was.

 

[Tetiro]

Nope.

The thing is, K. Rool is a trollish character. How many final bosses get up and attack you during the end credits? Isaac is brutally straightforward, and his trailer will be built around him, just like K. Rool’s was.

I agree. If you look at the reveal trailers, they are all tailored to the characteristics of that character. Looking back at the Wii U era, they did the same for the characters back then as well.

So when it comes to Isaac, it will definitely not be a troll. Straight up and front like Shulk's. Show off the powers and kick ass.

 

[pholtos]

Yeah looking at the trailers so far, you have inkling's fighting each other and then a giant flaming orb comes and burns out the inklings eyes (poor thing), Ridley doing Ridley things in a spooky metroidlike place. Simon entering the castle and fighting death/dracula, K Rool pulling a K Rool-esque Kredits type trickery.

So for Isaac... hmm. They might have a character walking around a field and then the roar of a wild encounter and the screen transition happens and Isaac is there, across from the character in the classic Camelot battle angle.

On a side note, I've reached the complaining about heat desert. My faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavorite part of the game. (Ugh.)

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

Also I wonder who would die in Isaac's trailer, well if that trend continues still lol.

The only one who hasn't had a trailer featuring death is Inkling (unless you believe Dedede wasn't killed by K. Rool), who really just had a teaser trailer for the game as a whole, so it seems like a pattern that will go on.

I just can't imagine Isaac's trailer actually killing somebody. It seems like it'll be too high-energy and fast-paced with action like Shulk or Mac's were to really work in anything more than somebody getting blasted away like Dedede, which again, isn't guaranteed death. All the other trailers have foreboding ambience and dark atmosphere leading up to a big, violent reveal.

But if somebody had to die... Shulk? If he's fighting the Doom Dragon or something, it's easy to believe a scenario where he has a vision indicating him of danger, and it's explicitly mentioned that those can't always be prevented with foresight. He fits in the same JRPG bubble as Isaac, so it could work.