Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[tveye]

1. That's meta ridley. So does that mean that Metroid Prime is now canon by Sakamoto?
2. Why does ridley look so oversatured with his skin?

Ridley can never decide on a specific shade of purple...
Anyways, in the Metroid canon, Ridley was killed in the first game and repaired with cybernetic implants (Meta Ridley). Samus Returns shows him slowly recovering out of his cyber parts and becoming the Ridley seen in Super Metroid (until he's killed again). I'm pretty sure the Prime games are seen as semi-canon, lol.

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Villager and Shulk alone made smash 4 roster perfect for me.

 

[KMDP]

That's meta ridley

Speaking of Meta Ridley...

Maybe Meta Ridley is actually Ridley's echo fighter, and all newcomers are getting echo fighters this time.

 

[StormC]

Speaking of Meta Ridley...

Maybe Meta Ridley is actually Ridley's echo fighter, and all newcomers are getting echo fighters this time.

A picture of Meta Ridley is on Ridley's profile, so I doubt it. Also, making echoes of 70+ newcomers would be an insanely huge task.

 

[N3ON]

It's really, really funny to me how, back during the Sm4sh speculation period. Everyone was certain we'd get fan requested characters, and then we got characters who were generally recent and/or relevant with a few exceptions
Recent Smash 4 Characters: ultrosalina:
Not really relevant:

Now we're in Smash Ultimate's speculation period, all evidence points to fan requested characters getting in () and yet people are still stuck on the train of thought of relevancy (only Inkling is actually relevant, Chrom's game came out before Smash 4 and Ridley's last appearance in Metroid was as a secret final boss or something).

What are you on about, Punch-Out had a game between Brawl and 4. That's where Mac's design comes from.

And third-parties always seem to be exceptional. Even now we got Simon... who certainly was nowhere near the top of the charts on the ballot.

Duck Hunt is the only real outlier, and that's just Sakurai being Sakurai. I think we'll probably get some curveball this time around too.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Sakamoto has never said Prime wasn't canon, just that it was a side story.

That's strange. I thought i saw an interview where Sakamoto said that he never looked at the metroid prime games. I'm guessing he's played them now.

Then again, Tanabe said Metroid prime takes place between 2 and 3. So i'm not too sure i should put any stock in Nintendo officials with "Metroid's continuity".

Ridley can never decide on a specific shade of purple...
Anyways, in the Metroid canon, Ridley was killed in the first game and repaired with cybernetic implants (Meta Ridley). Samus Returns shows him slowly recovering out of his cyber parts and becoming the Ridley seen in Super Metroid (until he's killed again). I'm pretty sure the Prime games are seen as semi-canon, lol.

So now that Samus Returns treats Meta Ridley as an actual occurrence in the metroid timeline, that means Metroid Prime are basically *required* to understand the full timeline.

 

[KMDP]

What are you on about, Punch-Out had a game between Brawl and 4. That's where Mac's design comes from.

And third-parties always seem to be exceptional. Even now we got Simon... who certainly was nowhere near the top of the charts on the ballot.

Duck Hunt is the only real outlier, and that's just Sakurai being Sakurai. I think we'll probably get some curveball this time around too.

Well, in that case, all the newcomers in Smash 4 were recent or 3rd party, except one.

If Smash Ultimate is working off the opposite idea, then all the characters will be popular picks and/or third parties, except one.

 

[tveye]

And third-parties always seem to be exceptional. Even now we got Simon... who certainly was nowhere near the top of the charts on the ballot.

Not true, a ton of people have been clamoring for Simon ever since Mega Man was revealed since he was from the last remaining massive NES franchise without representation. Granted, Contra also doesn't have a character yet...

EDIT: Simon was also the last main NES character from Captain N to not be in Smash as well, lol.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Not true, a ton of people have been clamoring for Simon ever since Mega Man was revealed since he was from the last remaining massive NES franchise without representation. Granted, Contra also doesn't have a character yet...

*cough* Ninja Gaiden *cough*

 

[StormC]

Simon made it into the top 20 of the esteemed 45k chart, for what it's worth.

 

[N3ON]

Not true, a ton of people have been clamoring for Simon ever since Mega Man was revealed since he was from the last remaining massive NES franchise without representation. Granted, Contra also doesn't have a character yet...

Not tons. Some. Some people have been clamouring for Simon for a long while. But that's true of a litany of characters.

Look at any poll prior to the leaks popping up, and Simon will be of middling to low to absent placement. Look at the Simon thread on here pre and post leak and see the disparity. He never lead the pack.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Simon made it into the top 20 of the esteemed 45k chart, for what it's worth.

Not tons. Some. Some people have been clamouring for Simon for a long while. But that's true of a litany of characters.

Look at any poll prior to the leaks popping up, and Simon will be of middling to low to absent placement. Look at the Simon thread on here pre and post leak and see the disparity. He never lead the pack.

And that is what makes me so interested in what Sakurai looks in a fighter.

Because you'd think Bomberman would've in first due to popularity, but simon was chosen instead.

It's interesting.

 

[tveye]

Not tons. Some. Some people have been clamouring for Simon for a long while. But that's true of a litany of characters.

Look at any poll prior to the leaks popping up, and Simon will be of middling to low to absent placement. Look at the Simon thread on here pre and post leak and see the disparity. He never lead the pack.

I'm sure he wasn't as requested as K Rool, Ridley, or Inkling, but his popularity shouldn't be discounted. He probably received enough votes for Sakurai to take notice at least.

 

[N3ON]

I'm sure he wasn't as requested as K Rool, Ridley, or Inkling, but his popularity shouldn't be discounted. He probably received enough votes for Sakurai to take notice at least.

Yes but when he's in leagues with K. Rool, Ridley and Inkling he's definitely the odd one out. Again the third-party bucks the trend, as if it were all about popularity, there's a solid handful I'd imagine rank in excess than Simon. It was probably a combination of things that resulted in his inclusion, such as Konami's involvement and perhaps preferential treatment behind the scenes. If it were just pure popularity... they'd go with someone more popular.

And I don't think he's alone, should we get Skull Kid I'd make similar claims of him. And if we get Incineroar that'd be another exception. But where popularity is concerned... again Simon was no frontrunner. Even Bomberman was more popular.

 

[StormC]

Sakurai has stated that Castlevania was influential on him as a game designer, so I'm sure that had something to do with it. also bomberman is slightly below simon on the compilation chart

Also, speaking as a Bomberman fan... the franchise is in a weird spot. It's well-known to gamers and Bomberman himself is very recognizable, but it's never had the prestige associated with it that the other third party series do. The games have existed for three decades and number in the dozens, but they rarely get seen as anything other than a weird, niche oddity. When's the last time you saw a Bomberman game in a top 100 list? Now compare that to Castlevania, Mega Man, Sonic, etc... and you get what I'm saying. Perhaps that's why Sakurai decided to not include him.

 

[KMDP]

Sakurai has stated that Castlevania was influential on him as a game designer, so I'm sure that had something to do with it. also bomberman is slightly below simon on the compilation chart

Also, speaking as a Bomberman fan... the franchise is in a weird spot. It's well-known to gamers and Bomberman himself is very recognizable, but it's never had the prestige associated with it that the other third party series do. The games have existed for three decades and number in the dozens, but they rarely get seen as anything other than a weird, niche oddity. When's the last time you saw a Bomberman game in a top 100 list? Now compare that to Castlevania, Mega Man, Sonic, etc... and you get what I'm saying. Perhaps that's why Sakurai decided to not include him.

There's also the fact that the Bomberman AT does everything Bomberman is well known for doing.

A casual observer would believe that Bomberman is perfectly represented in the form of his Assist Trophy.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Yes but when he's in leagues with K. Rool, Ridley and Inkling he's definitely the odd one out. Again the third-party bucks the trend, as if it were all about popularity, there's a solid handful I'd imagine rank in excess than Simon. It was probably a combination of things that resulted in his inclusion, such as Konami's involvement and perhaps preferential treatment behind the scenes. If it were just pure popularity... they'd go with someone more popular.

And I don't think he's alone, should we get Skull Kid I'd make similar claims of him. And if we get Incineroar that'd be another exception. But where popularity is concerned... again Simon was no frontrunner. Even Bomberman was more popular.

I think it shows, too, by nature of the fact that he ended Directs with Ridley and K. Rool. Not Simon. He began the Direct with Simon instead.


He knew where the big requests were.

Sakurai has stated that Castlevania was influential on him as a game designer, so I'm sure that had something to do with it. also bomberman is slightly below simon on the compilation chart

Also, speaking as a Bomberman fan... the franchise is in a weird spot. It's well-known to gamers and Bomberman himself is very recognizable, but it's never had the prestige associated with it that the other third party series do. The games have existed for three decades and number in the dozens, but they rarely get seen as anything other than a weird, niche oddity. When's the last time you saw a Bomberman game in a top 100 list? Now compare that to Castlevania, Mega Man, Sonic, etc... and you get what I'm saying. Perhaps that's why Sakurai decided to not include him.

Bomberman is in a weird spot. Just check Wikipedia's list of the best selling video game franchises.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

Bomberman at 10m, Castlevania at 20m.

There's also the fact that the Bomberman AT does everything Bomberman is well known for doing.

A casual observer would believe that Bomberman is perfectly represented in the form of his Assist Trophy.

I mean, he also can kick bombs, throw bombs, pump them to make them bigger, bomb bounce...

Unless I'm missing something, as an AT he just runs around and drops bombs. Granted, the stuff I listed above wouldn't necessarily work great as a playable fighter anyway.

 

[isaac3000]

A casual observer would believe that Bomberman is perfectly represented in the form of his Assist Trophy.

This is me, would a playable status for Bomberman offer anything more? I don't know his games, I have played some of course but all he does is laying a bomb and collecting powerups... Assist Trophy status is, in my honest opinion, very well suited for him.

 

[KMDP]

Unless I'm missing something

You missed the part about me saying Bomberman does everything he is well known for doing.

All that other stuff beside bomb kicking? Not that well known to people who aren't Bomberman fans.

 

[JarBear]

Sakurai has done a mix of characters in the Smash series. From very well known/popular to the obscure or less recognizable. Or, using characters who, back in their day, was recognizable. I do like this method since it is covering a large time span of video game characters all under one roof.

As for Ultimate, we see that Sakurai is now catering more towards the fans based on popular requests. But he will still throw in the "odd balls" that gives Smash its character.

 

[N3ON]

I think it shows, too, by nature of the fact that he ended Directs with Ridley and K. Rool. Not Simon. He began the Direct with Simon instead.


He knew where the big requests were.

Well, showing Simon first allowed him to focus on all the Castlevania content. Had it been reversed they either wouldn't have gone over all the non-playable Castlevania content or they would've and the pacing would've been... weird.

 

[StormC]

This is me, would a playable status for Bomberman offer anything more? I don't know his games, I have played some of course but all he does is laying a bomb and collecting powerups... Assist Trophy status is, in my honest opinion, very well suited for him.

This is sounding a lot like "all Little Mac can do is punch!" Elemental bombs have been a common theme; in Bomberman 64: The Second Attack, Bomberman can lay bombs that create black holes or create lava. He also has his jetpack from Bomberman Hero, and animal buddies from various games.

There's also his Smash Flash moveset.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1032675948766715905
Apparently Dark Dawn was the best selling DS game in the US in July. It's still selling although it's probably not much

 

[JarBear]

When you have examples of Star Fox who flies a spaceship, Cpt. Falcon who drives a Racer or Duck Hunt (dog) who barks and holds up dead ducks ... there is always a way to create such characters by coming up with whatever you need to work.

 

[isaac3000]

This is sounding a lot like "all Little Mac can do is punch!" Elemental bombs have been a common theme; in Bomberman 64: The Second Attack, Bomberman can lay bombs that create black holes or create lava. He also has his jetpack from Bomberman Hero, and animal buddies from various games.

There's also his Smash Flash moveset.

Woah interesting! I had no idea about any of this... I thought his character was stagnant but I am surprised to see he actually has evolved!

 

[Arteen]

Speaking of art styles...
I found out a month ago that the illustrator of "Golden Sun" Hiroshi Kajiyama passed away.
It was saddening to hear about the news and may he rest in piece, but it also made me curious. if they were to revive the series,
would they keep the same art style, or would it be something else?

Oh no, that's so tragic!

I absolutely adore Golden Sun's illustrations. His great art went a long way towards building Golden Sun's lasting impression on me.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Simon certainly wasn't high on the ballot but flash back to 2006 and he was up there with Sonic and Mega Man. Once people found out that 3rd parties could be in, their popularity skyrocketed. I clearly remember people actually HATING Snake because he took "The Konami Slot" and that Simon deserved it more, I think Hudson was still separate from Konami at the time so they were never compared.

Sakurai is digging deep for this Smash, real deep. If Simon was "Heavily Requested" as he stated, it wasn't from the Ballot. It was from pre-Brawl speculation. Isaac has a damn good shot because of that. Not only was he popular pre-Brawl but also pre-For, and now pre-Ultimate. If Sakurai is really paying that much attention then I think Isaac is in.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Oh no, that's so tragic!

I absolutely adore Golden Sun's illustrations. His great art went a long way towards building Golden Sun's lasting impression on me.

Hey, don't forget he helped with Shining Force's illustrations! They helped to establish golden sun later on in life. ^^

 

[isaac3000]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1032675948766715905
Apparently Dark Dawn was the best selling DS game in the US in July. It's still selling although it's probably not much

What?! Is it finally happening? Dark Dawn sells again, Dark Dawn Website got updated (maybe these 2 are connected as events?), People start being positive on Dark Dawn (I see comments again like Dark Dawn has good music, people defend Dark Dawn on reddit), IST THE DARK DAWN HATE FINALLY OVER? IN MY LIFETIME?!?! WOOHOOO!!!

 

[KMDP]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1032675948766715905
Apparently Dark Dawn was the best selling DS game in the US in July. It's still selling although it's probably not much

...huh.
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One thing about the Smash Flash Bomberman...

His Bombs:

A) ...are Manually detonated
B) ...have generic, circular explosions

Those two particular parts aren't good representations of the character. Everything else is fine, as far as I can tell.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1032675948766715905
Apparently Dark Dawn was the best selling DS game in the US in July. It's still selling although it's probably not much

wait what.

RIGHT NOW?

Simon certainly wasn't high on the ballot but flash back to 2006 and he was up there with Sonic and Mega Man. Once people found out that 3rd parties could be in, their popularity skyrocketed. I clearly remember people actually HATING Snake because he took "The Konami Slot" and that Simon deserved it more, I think Hudson was still separate from Konami at the time so they were never compared.

Sakurai is digging deep for this Smash, real deep. If Simon was "Heavily Requested" as he stated, it wasn't from the Ballot. It was from pre-Brawl speculation. Isaac has a damn good shot because of that. Not only was he popular pre-Brawl but also pre-For, and now pre-Ultimate. If Sakurai is really paying that much attention then I think Isaac is in.

idk. You'd think Sakurai would've said that he told some liberties and said that he looked back at what was requested during the days of brawl.

All he mentioned was the ballot so far.

 

[RandomAce]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1032675948766715905
Apparently Dark Dawn was the best selling DS game in the US in July. It's still selling although it's probably not much

So that’s why they updated the Dark Dawn website during early August, people were still buying the game, maybe on a smaller scale, but enough that they had to update it.

 

[StormC]

...huh.
---
One thing about the Smash Flash Bomberman...

His Bombs:

A) ...are Manually detonated
B) ...have generic, circular explosions

Those two particular parts aren't good representations of the character. Everything else is fine, as far as I can tell.

Bomberman has the ability to remote detonate his bombs in almost every game.

 

[User Name String]

Apparently the hype behind Issac possibly joining interested people in the series.
In essence smash may already be affecting series sales and intrigue.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MatPiscatella/status/1032675948766715905
Apparently Dark Dawn was the best selling DS game in the US in July. It's still selling although it's probably not much

 

[KMDP]

Bomberman has the ability to remote detonate his bombs in almost every game.

Yeah, but it's always a power-up.

It'd have been better if his down special was a special bomb that was remote detonated, and all the rest of his bombs had timers.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Apparently the hype behind Issac possibly joining interested people in the series.
In essence smash may already be affecting series sales and intrigue.

...But wouldn't it make sense to get the 1st one?

Since the star is Isaac in the 1st entry?

 

[User Name String]

...But wouldn't it make sense to get the 1st one?

Since the star is Isaac in the 1st entry?

It may be that the game's honorary title of the easy one could effect this or the fact that it is playable on 3DS.

(Edit: Keep in mind this is speculation.)

 

[N1N]

If Isaac getting in Smash is enough support to spark a fourth Golden Sun game, then I'd personally want it to start back over from the end of The Lost Age. The direction they took the story in with Dark Dawn doesn't really interest me.

 

[alguidrag]

Now is The time of Isaac!
Isaac newcomer
Felix echo
Matthew alt
Jenna AT
Doom Dragon Boss
All The family reunited in smash

 

[XenoWarriorX]

It may be that the game's honorary title of the easy one could effect this or the fact that it is playable on 3DS.

...I keep forgetting that the 3ds doesnt have a way to play GBA titles.

rip.