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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

jweb23

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I don't believe that Vergeben knows anything at all, but even he has said that the message of him confirming Ken and two Namco reps is fake.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76929458/907400220

Odds are he only mentioned Ken because he's sure that Ken has to be in the game, but is only assuming like the rest of us.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I just think all the "leakers" got info before e3 as people would of course have to set up the demo for it. If I remember correctly, Verg claimed Ice Climbers, Snake and Ridley without saying everyone was back and of course those characters were in the demo! Maybe he got more info than what was shown at e3 but I highly doubt he is getting more info.
 

JaidynReiman

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I don't think it means anything. Vergeben can defend a series without it having to mean something. I get the impression he'd be straightforward if he had something to leak.
I'd agree with this if he hadn't said stuff like "A Pokemon will be playable that isn't Mimikyu, Decidueye, or Lycanroc" and "a second Square Enix rep will be playable" without any sort of context at all.
 

Billybae10K

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I'm not sure if you guys checked billy's new vid but I guess vergeben's been talking about Isaac.


I personally see his recovery being really good but him lacking combo potential, Golden sun moves are kinda hard and heavy handed.
Nah, he was talking about Golden Sun in general, defended it a few days ago. I just brought up in my video that since Verge doesn't usually post in Smash Ultimate forums unless it's to reply to someone who asked him a question or leak stuff, it's noteworthy activity.
 

jweb23

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I would want it to be a bit similar to Octopath Traveler in terms of looks, but instead of sprites, give us celshaded character and enemy models or something. I think that would work wonderfully with Golden Sun.
I like the style of Octopath but not for a potential Golden Sun remake. Personally I would prefer a style similar to Bravely Default minus the chibi look, but HD of course.
 

Sabrewulf238

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I'd agree with this if he hadn't said stuff like "A Pokemon will be playable that isn't Mimikyu, Decidueye, or Lycanroc" and "a second Square Enix rep will be playable" without any sort of context at all.
He's still talking about leaked characters though.

I meant he wouldn't post a super super vague hint where people didn't even know whether he was talking about leaked characters or not.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting a bit much from a leaker....even if he is the most trustworthy one.
 
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JaidynReiman

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He's still talking about leaked characters though.

I meant he wouldn't post a super super vague hint where people didn't even know whether he was talking about leaked characters or not.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting a bit much from a leaker....even if he is the most trustworthy one.
I don't believe he was pointing at anything either. All I'm saying is that he HAS been vague as **** and I cannot trust what he says. Especially when he's getting things wrong left and right on his leaks for other games.
 

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How come ResetERA dislikes Isaac?

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ZelDan

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If Isaac does make it as a playable character, I think that opens the doors to a HD remake of Golden Sun and GS: The Lost Age combine into one game. Assuming all that happens, the sells of that HD game will decide the fate of future games in the series.
Yeah, at this point remakes/remasters of the first 2 Golden Sun games (ideally as one game like how they were initially intended) would be the smart way to bring Golden Sun back beyond Smash. If they made a Golden Sun 4, alot of people new to series will be like "ugh, I'll have to catch up on 3 games before checking this game out...", whereas remaking the first 2 games would give these people a perfect way to get into the series.

That, and personally, I'd find it kind of weird for Camelot to be like "Hey! Here's the continuation of Dark Dawn's story!" after 8 years of silence...
 

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How come Resetera dislikes Isaac?

  1. _Sheik
  2. 1/128
  3. 9Blades
  4. ☆Jisatsu☆
  5. *Verrix*
  6. ?!?!?!
  7. Accursed
  8. Adeptmune
  9. Agk0001
  10. AgatioGanon
  11. Aguki90
  12. airConditioner
  13. aldelaro5
  14. alguidrag
  15. Altais
  16. Amberloo
  17. Amtoj
  18. AncientArk
  19. andimidna
  20. Androobie
  21. Aeon Lupin
  22. Apollyon
  23. Aqua Rock X
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It seems more like overwhelming pessimism over actual dislike. They're still very much on the whole "lack of relevancy, no Smash 4 appearance" kick. Yet lotsa people over there seem to think Wonder Red has a shot. :rolleyes:
 

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It seems more like overwhelming pessimism over actual dislike. They're still very much on the whole "lack of relevancy, no Smash 4 appearance" kick. Yet lotsa people over there seem to think Wonder Red has a shot. :rolleyes:
I mean, it's hard to say if wonder red does have a shot.

Sakurai said in a miiverse post if the game did better, he would've been a character.

But i'm not surprised. People like Liam Robertson have a huge influence over a community like ResetEra.


Who is ResetEra?

ResetEra is NeoGaf's spirit crammed into another website.
 
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Well not appearing in Smash 4 as a AT highered Isaac's chances, since the ballot not a lot of people would vote for him if he was a AT( I would have pick Felix)
 

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Seems like Isaac is getting constantly blasted in general as far as the possible ballot candidates. All the hype for the next round of newcomers surrounds characters like Geno, Skull Kid, and Banjo. But if Isaac's brought up, it's to bash his chances or claim that any hint pointing to Isaac is grasping at straws. Truly the underdog newcomer which of course would make his reveal all the more satisfying lol.
 

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Seems like Isaac is getting constantly blasted in general as far as the possible ballot candidates. All the hype for the next round of newcomers surrounds characters like Geno, Skull Kid, and Banjo. But if Isaac's brought up, it's to bash his chances or claim that any hint pointing to Isaac is grasping at straws. Truly the underdog newcomer which of course would make his reveal all the more satisfying lol.
""""Grasping at straws""""

Yet the chairs and the couch is "perfectly acceptable"?
 

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It seems more like overwhelming pessimism over actual dislike. They're still very much on the whole "lack of relevancy, no Smash 4 appearance" kick. Yet lotsa people over there seem to think Wonder Red has a shot. :rolleyes:
If they're still like that despite Sakurai's latest interview then it would seem more like they're just being willfully ignorant. I wonder how they explained King K. Rools announcement to themselves.
 

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I mean, it's hard to say if wonder red does have a shot.

Sakurai said in a miiverse post if the game did better, he would've been a character.

But i'm not surprised. People like Liam Robertson have a huge influence over a community like ResetEra.
I don't doubt that. But Wonder Red's game didn't do better, and that was five years ago. The moral is people employ selective logic when beneficial to their interests.

And idk, you don't hear a lot of Liam Robertson's name being thrown around at least in the Smash sect. Then again he hasn't had much to say regarding Smash since he told everyone Shovel Knight would be playable.

If they're still like that despite Sakurai's latest interview then it would seem more like they're just being willfully ignorant. I wonder how they explained King K. Rools announcement to themselves.
K. Rool might not be "relevant" but DK the series is, so there's their caveat.
 
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""""Grasping at straws""""

Yet the chairs and the couch is "perfectly acceptable"?
That's what I never got lol. Everyone has their theories and even the rope and barrel pointed out back in the E3 presentation proved true with K. Rool's reveal. Oftentimes the speculation is just for fun and something to talk about till the next Info dump.

Though think most of Isaac's hate has to do with the anime swordsman stigma. People see a sword anywhere on your person and you're a clone of Marth apparently. There was this particularly funny comment saying how Isaac would have a boring moveset and he was asked if he ever played Golden Sun to which he responded no but was adamant that a guy shooting Golden Suns out of his hands adds nothing to Smash. I couldn't stop laughing. Like sometimes people don't care to do research at all lol.
 

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I don't doubt that. But Wonder Red's game didn't do better, and that was five years ago. The moral is people employ selective logic when beneficial to their interests.

And idk, you don't hear a lot of Liam Robertson's name being thrown around at least in the Smash sect. Then again he hasn't had much to say regarding Smash since he told everyone Shovel Knight would be playable.


K. Rool might not be "relevant" but DK the series is, so there's their caveat.
The argument i've heard is that since Inkling got in, then WR will be too. *Because relevancy* And i think the best shot WR has is if his supposed "switch port" does well when it's revealed and released. DLC or Next game would probably be my guess.

I think Liam Robertson was one of bigger names supporting Wonder Red. I don't think he knows about if he's playable or not.

And i didn't even know that he said SK would be playable. That "leak" didn't age well.


That's what I never got lol. Everyone has their theories and even the rope and barrel pointed out back in the E3 presentation proved true with K. Rool's reveal. Oftentimes the speculation is just for fun and something to talk about till the next Info dump.

Though think most of Isaac's hate has to do with the anime swordsman stigma. People see a sword anywhere on your person and you're a clone of Marth apparently. There was this particularly funny comment saying how Isaac would have a boring moveset and he was asked if he ever played Golden Sun to which he responded no but was adamant that a guy shooting Golden Suns out of his hands adds nothing to Smash. I couldn't stop laughing. Like sometimes people don't care to do research at all lol.
Is this the new "Why can't metroid crawl?" lmao. Ignorance, i tell ya.
 
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I don’t really think cross-series echos are that big an issue. Chrom and Roy never appeared in a game together without Awakening DLC and have (at least on a surface level) very little in common. But Chrom was made number 25e because Roy’s moveset translated very well onto Chrom, in a way that made sense, after altering one mechanic and one special move. I think Blaziken as number 11e (Captain Falcon Echo) would be similar. If the moveset, model, attributes etc translate well (and I believe they do) then why let something tangental to play get in the way? Especially since it’s probably the only way Blaziken would ever get in Smash in the first place and I seriously doubt the Echo spot would be used on Black Shadow even without Blaziken.
But they are both still Fire Emblem characters so that makes sense. Ganondorf has become more unique from Captain every game. So now he is his own unique character and the only character in the series to have echoed someone from another game franchise.
 

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Though think most of Isaac's hate has to do with the anime swordsman stigma.
Which is such a terrible reason to not want a character in. It's on the same level as "Bandana Waddle Dee is the same thing as a Goomba with a hat".
Obviously these are unique and highly requested characters important to their series and Nintendo as a whole. That should be reason enough to include them.
 

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The argument i've heard is that since Inkling got in, then WR will be too. *Because relevancy*
It's ridiculous that they're even comparing The Wonderful 101 with Splatoon. Inklings were always going to get in, no matter how well they did on the ballot. (though I'm sure they performed well enough)

Wonder Red did seem to perform reasonably well on the ballot (according to the exit poll) but he was never going to be a sure thing like the Inklings.
 

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Fwiw I haven't seen them conflate W101 and Splatoon. That's a bridge too far for anyone with their head screwed on properly. They just think WR will get in because... idk. I guess they think he's relevant enough, when he's not (and the game's not even being built that way now) or popular enough... when he's not. It would lend more credence to their disparaging of Isaac if a more consistent logic was maintained.

I mean seriously, Wonder Red is cool, I'd love for an AT, but his game was a massive massive bomb, and his popularity is good, but not good enough. I just can't see the character having a shot bar a W102. And if we can't even get a W101 port, we're not getting a W102.

Oh and also Liam Robertson's name really doesn't come up. Like most places, they talk about Verg and loz the most. And then Imran, because he's a member there. Basically they're very very entrenched in the Smash 4 notion of recency, and haven't realized there's been a sea change yet.
 
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It seems more like overwhelming pessimism over actual dislike. They're still very much on the whole "lack of relevancy, no Smash 4 appearance" kick. Yet lotsa people over there seem to think Wonder Red has a shot. :rolleyes:
ResetEra might be even more delusional than GameFAQ's TBH.

This is also the same place where the K. Rool hate circlejerk goes on. Loved how they all got proved wrong.
 

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I loved Wonderful 101; it's probably up there as one of my favorite games on the Wii U. BUt I really don't see Wonder Red being a playable character. Assist trophy maybe, but not playable.
 

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ResetEra might be even more delusional than GameFAQ's TBH.

This is also the same place where the K. Rool hate circlejerk goes on. Loved how they all got proved wrong.
They were also quite torn on Geno til pretty recently. There are staunch supporters over there, but he doesn't exactly align with the Smash 4 style of addition, so you can imagine the discord.
 

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Alot of roller coaster feelings in here but good to see the chat booming!
If Isaac makes it in what do we see as a big weakness for our fighter? Based on how I think he will play I'd say he would suffer in the speed and recovery department. I think range,technique and off stage play will benefit him greatly. Of course we dont have much to go on, but hey, we know what Isaac is capable of!
I would say probably good AOE on his down smash attack and down B. Maybe smaller area coverage with his up smash. Kind of like palutenas up smash but half as high? And maybe having to be more accurate in his air game as it is not his forte. Smaller hit boxes perhaps? Kind of like a ranged little mac with much smaller penalties and buffs.
 

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ResetEra might be even more delusional than GameFAQ's TBH.

This is also the same place where the K. Rool hate circlejerk goes on. Loved how they all got proved wrong.
how often do you guys see these two sites talk about how smashboards is full of delusional fanboys who just want smash to be filled with a bunch of dead franchises?
 

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how often do you guys see these two sites talk about how smashboards is full of delusional fanboys who just want smash to be filled with a bunch of dead franchises?
Well as N3ON N3ON said they're stuck in the ways of Smash 4 speculation. And it's funny to see who's really "delusional" now lol.
 

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how often do you guys see these two sites talk about how smashboards is full of delusional fanboys who just want smash to be filled with a bunch of dead franchises?
That's another complaint I hate. Smash Bros should be about Nintendo's history (and to a lesser extent, gaming's history). The addition of characters only put in to advertise recent and upcoming games is frustrating for me. Some of the most popular characters in Smash Bros are ones from old franchises that haven't starred in a game in over a decade. Captain Falcon, Ness, and Ice Climbers come to mind.
 

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They were also quite torn on Geno til pretty recently. There are staunch supporters over there, but he doesn't exactly align with the Smash 4 style of addition, so you can imagine the discord.
Gotta admit, I kinda hated the Smash 4 style of addition (even though it netted us some great characters like Rosalina) so I think I would hate that place too. I’ll keep in mind to stay away from there.
 

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https://imgur.com/a/ZuxFglA

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/99ldio/a_new_third_party_character_has_possibly_been/

I probably missed the post somewhere, sorry for my ignorance to whoever posted the leak before if anyone did, but I'm surprised at the Dante leak going around.
That leak's been going around for awhile. He's already been proven wrong. In his first leak, he mentioned that Sakurai knew about all the complaints of Fire Emblem characters and so every Smash character trailer would have a Fire Emblem character get beaten up. He does know about DMC5, but definitely just lying about Smash.
 

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That leak's been going around for awhile. He's already been proven wrong. In his first leak, he mentioned that Sakurai knew about all the complaints of Fire Emblem characters and so every Smash character trailer would have a Fire Emblem character get beaten up. He does know about DMC5, but definitely just lying about Smash.
Oh okay. Thank you for clarifying the situation. I was out of the loop a couple of days.
 

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Guys obviously Isaac is not just an anime swordsman, after all, he differs from all the other fire emblem characters in smash. why? He's got blonde hair ;3

But seriously, i think the reason people hate him is because their general consensus is that he's not really known that well in the general public, or that he's a guy with a sword on first glance. so really i think it comes all down to ignorance.
 

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I like the style of Octopath but not for a potential Golden Sun remake. Personally I would prefer a style similar to Bravely Default minus the chibi look, but HD of course.
Here's an interesting idea, what if the remake looks like Dark Dawn (but with updated graphics),
and how would you feel about it?
 

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There was this particularly funny comment saying how Isaac would have a boring moveset and he was asked if he ever played Golden Sun to which he responded no but was adamant that a guy shooting Golden Suns out of his hands adds nothing to Smash.
Now let's be fair now, a guy who can shoot Golden Suns out of his hands would be a pretty cool character concept for a new Nintendo IP.:troll:

This is also the same place where the K. Rool hate circlejerk goes on. Loved how they all got proved wrong.
I remember someone on NeoGAF unironically comparing K. Rool support to Shrek (with nobody calling him out for that in that specific thread).

But seriously, i think the reason people hate him is because their general consensus is that he's not really known that well in the general public
Relatively few Smash characters are particularly known among the general audience.
 
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