When Isaac gets confirmed and I have the game, first I will try to unlock him of course, after that, before I start playing as him I will click on him over and over again just to listen to the announcer crying out loud: ISAAC! I will not be able to believe my ears... I can't wait for this!
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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday
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Flynn.Scifo
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At this point leakers giving us exactly what we want to hear all the time is just even more suspicious.
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This makes me feel very uncomfortable
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That innuendo.You know... I want both Rex & Pyra and Isaac to be a thing in Smash...
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So that we can have an unholy fusion of these two jokes.
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I don't think paper Mario is very likely. and no Indie characters have made it in. so if shovel knight didn't make it I doubt shantae will. And if they do anything like the last smash game the more out there 3rd party character like banjo or rayman will most likely be DLC imo. Also captain toad is deconfirmed he is in a level, and dixie and shadow have decent chances of being echoes. If they are unique characters I would be surprised. Honestly Isaac and Geno and Bandana Dee look the most promising of all character present.I don't know if this image has been posted here, but it's a pie chart of the remaining contenders of the Smash Poll Consolidation document. To say Issac is in a good position is an understatement, but I am curious on your guys opinions on some of the other placements.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pw5m-b4JHJ0_cGRKU15KYlTe1E/edit#gid=729442469
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...aracters_from_estimated_ballot_poll/?sort=new
I won't lie, I'll absolutely do this too.
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Isaac: Venus Adept
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https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1032613428907495425
Wait we are getting another indie game direct!? What the heck!?
Wait we are getting another indie game direct!? What the heck!?
Tetiro
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Can only expect Shantae in this. Would be a nice surprise but I'm content with waiting longer for more Smash news. We only have 8 days of August left. Then it's September (= Direct month!)
Tetiro
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I wouldn't get too hyped. After all it could be just like the last one with no bombshells. Just go in thinking "If there is a Smash person, it's Shantae"
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Even we in the Shantae forms don't believe it's a reveal.
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Hey a fellow Shantae fan. Loved all the titles. Hopefully she gets into Smash one day. But for now, I'm just happy they are making more Shantae games these days
One day our favorite genie will get in. One day.
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No, that doesn't work on multiple levels. First Paper Mario and Mario share practically no moves and could not fight in the same way. This would be as bad K Rool being a Bowser clone. Sakurai could do it, just look at Ganondorf for a weird clone situation, but it would be incredibly lazy and a vast waste of potential. Next and the most obvious is Paper Mario wouldn't fit Mario's skeleton if anything he'd have to be a Game and Watch echo. That would kinda be closer to Paper Mario's actual movepool but still not a good solution.
Also, I did see your post about Paper Mario's skill set not translating to a fighting game space and aside from the mechanic where you press the attack button right before an attack for extra damage, most everything he has could be copy-pasted into Smash. Still I do agree that he's probably not joining the fray. Sad but I'm pretty sure Sakurai considers SMRPG the definitive Mario RPG.
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I guarantee you guys there will be precisely a 100% chance of...
NO information about Smash Ultimate in a Nindies Direct. It doesn't even matter if a Nindie character does wind up in Smash (which I doubt). Smash Bros. is not an Indie game. The Nindies Direct is ONLY to show off Nindie games. Smash Bros. information won't get revealed in any other game-specific Direct either, like Pokemon. It will only get information in a general Nintendo Direct, or a Super Smash Bros. Direct. That's it.
The reason there's a new Nindies Direct now is because the last one was Nintendo UK. This is Nintendo America.
Metocles
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I thought I'd comment on this as it seems to be a high point of contention right now. Basically this is the source of everyone's nervousness, because they see the numbers and it says good things about Isaac, but they aren't sure about the data they're seeing. Just because you have 40k votes, which pales in comparison to the 1.8 million that we got, it doesn't mean we can't make some insights into the data here.
In fact, it's sometimes much worse to look at larger and larger sample sizes because the resources necessary to collect the data overflow your capability to sift through it. The smaller number doesn't actually matter that much if it's a representative sample. If you look in the tab, you see reporting from multiple polls taken from Smashboards, Reddit, Straw Poll, Tumblr and Poll Maker. Isaac really doesn't fall outside of the top 5. There's only one instance in the Tumblr poll where that's the case. Like I have commented on before, you really don't have to worry too much about unique voting polls for Isaac. These are basically 12 separate polls pooled together (For first party) and averaged out for characters. While Isaac is not #1 in even most of them, he still averaged a 2nd place and above Banjo.
The real question is, who was really voting in the character ballot? It's an interesting question. One can assume that it certainly includes the people that voted in these separate polls; effectively avid smash fans. Were there a lot of people voting that barely have contact with smash? Only told to vote by others? Play smash casually or very rarely? I get a sense that extrapolation would really not change a whole lot. Isaac may not have been #2 or #3, but would it fluctuate so wildly that he would end up out of the top ten? I think that's very unlikely.
Especially when you have the law of averages on your side. Lets say this was a decathlon; you have to do well in ten events to get first place. Paper Mario, man he's so good a throwing a javelin, but he can't run faster than your grandma in the 100meter dash. Magolor, that guy can throw the shot put and run short distance, but he really can't do the long jump. Isaac... well Isaac basically gets 3rd place every time, in every event. At the end of the day that's basically all you need in the decathlon. Isaac, as far as I've followed him in smash speculation, has been steady eddy in polls, popularity and fan desire. Sometimes it cools off, but it's pretty persistent, unlike many other characters who pop in and out of existence and try to make believe that they've always been that way. That's why the exit polling speaks to me, I really don't think it's far from the truth that Sakurai is seeing.
At the end of the day, yeah, some dudebros are gonna vote for Goku and Shrek on their only vote. That really doesn't amount to much, even if you add on top of that 5,000 more dudebros. With characters like K. Rool, Ridley and Isaac, there's a reason their popularity hasn't waned. A lot more people want them in Smash or back in video games in general than you think. Goku be damned to think otherwise.
Tetiro
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Actually it was for Nintendo Europe. And definitely was not expecting anything this time. But rather pointing out what is likely to happen if at all.
Tetiro
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That was everything I wanted to see and more
Sabrewulf238
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I kind of hate how we're becoming so hopeful.
The more hopeful we get the more it'll hurt if Isaac doesn't get in. This doesn't feel good.
The more hopeful we get the more it'll hurt if Isaac doesn't get in. This doesn't feel good.
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Sometimes we all just need to maintain hope to make it to the end.
We're almost there. I can feel it. We just need to wait just a little bit longer for our boy to be confirmed base or DLC. The stars are lining up for him this time more so then in the past. His inclusion would fit with the fan service nature of the game considering we got Inkling, Daisy, Ridley, Simon, Richter, Chrom, D. Samus, K. Rool, AND all of the vets. That's the sort of roster that if you suggested it during Smash 4 speculation would get you laughed out of the building for how amazingly unrealistic it sounds. But it's actually happening. I know it will hurt if by some off chance Isaac doesn't get in, but I would be genuinely shocked if the character supported by the largest and most active support thread on this website didn't make it to the dance.
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Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all
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Haha! If Isaac gets in, someone totally has to post this on Gamefaqs.
Also the ending of that vid was heart warming and soooo true.
True Blue Warrior
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This is the type of reaction you'd get if you leaked the Smash roster we have right now 7 months ago.
"Every single character returning including Snake even though Konami sucks? Ridley, despite Sakurai stating he is impossible? K. Rool, Chrom and Dark Samus despite their lack of relevancy? No Rex? No Spring Man? Konami getting two newcomer characters despite being the worst company ever? This isn't the kind of roster Sakurai would ever make, it's a wish list made by a nostalgic fanboy. How fake."
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Came back to check out this thread in the morning. Kind of mixed feelings, but nice to see people talking positively too, including about Shantae. 
Besides that, I may keep popping out and in, I have trouble with certain ways around here. A few people don't think they're harsh, but to me they are, I mean that's how I feel. When I try to say that a point is debatable when I make a claim it's that I think it isn't perfect, but I feel like it's harsh when someone pushes a point against it as if what I said is wrong. i think we can all be wrong, and it's ok to speak our opinions, and take them as opinions, and there are nicer ways to handle people's thoughts,not just always going against what's thought to be not right.
I don't like debating that much, so call me sensitive, but I have trouble lasting more than a few posts on some of that stuff. I still get riled sometimes and in a few spots I might get aggro back, but that's not really me, that's at least partially answering back with how I felt.
Anyway, just felt like saying that before I withdraw from here at least for a little bit. Have fun.
Besides that, I may keep popping out and in, I have trouble with certain ways around here. A few people don't think they're harsh, but to me they are, I mean that's how I feel. When I try to say that a point is debatable when I make a claim it's that I think it isn't perfect, but I feel like it's harsh when someone pushes a point against it as if what I said is wrong. i think we can all be wrong, and it's ok to speak our opinions, and take them as opinions, and there are nicer ways to handle people's thoughts,not just always going against what's thought to be not right.
I don't like debating that much, so call me sensitive, but I have trouble lasting more than a few posts on some of that stuff. I still get riled sometimes and in a few spots I might get aggro back, but that's not really me, that's at least partially answering back with how I felt.
Anyway, just felt like saying that before I withdraw from here at least for a little bit. Have fun.
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So, I'm slowly coming around to hope that Isaac will actually be in this time, but I'm still most worried about the limited slots thing. Like, he would 100% get in if they were adding a standard amount of newcomers but might miss his chance again because there are less newcomers than past games. I'm also kind of really annoyed at the Geno following; if he gets in over Isaac I'll be really pissed. I know Geno has his fans, but objectively Isaac is the more deserving character (more games, more recent, lead character, Nintendo owned). Geno getting in is almost 100% Sakurai bias, which, yes, he makes the game so good for him, but after all the Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus stuff last time, it's just left a bad taste in my mouth and would even more if it costs Isaac maybe his last chance for the series.
Also, was there a post about a new Isaac thread or something that you need permission to access? I thought I saw something last night but it was late and I was only skimming.
Also, was there a post about a new Isaac thread or something that you need permission to access? I thought I saw something last night but it was late and I was only skimming.
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Tetiro
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Don't be pissed if Geno got in over Isaac. Be happy for them. The worst thing you can do is become a Hater as that will bring us down like what happened with Waluigi. That whole incident has likely damaged Waluigi's chances for the next Smash Bros.
If you want to improve Isaac's chances, make your voice known louder but without the tone that happened with Waluigi and the other haters out there. Showing Sakurai the raw passion of Golden Sun fans is what will get us Isaac in the end.
King K Rool had 10 years of inactivity and yet here he is alongside Ridley. It is clear Sakurai does not care how old a character is inactive provided the fans want it. So my advice is to keep supporting Isaac positively and strong
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I don't think she will make it being an indie character. But she would have a very interesting moveset from what I have played of her games. She uses a cannon, whip attacks with her hair, transforms into animals absorbs things into her lamp, all kinds of moveset potential.
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I think people are bcoming more hopeful because more things are lining into place that points to Isaac finally making the base roster this go around vs Smash 4's newcomer period. Before the ballot confirmation, Sakurai's tweet, and K. Rool's reveal there was plenty of realistic expectations and pessimism.
Isaac was already non existent in Smash 4, that's as rock bottom as it gets. Even if he were a no show this base game, there's DLC since it seems like Ultimate will be around for a long time. Only worst case scenario in my opinion is him returning as an assist trophy.
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Isaac definitely got a skyrocket in chances due to Sakurai confirming he chose newcomers based on the Ballot results.
I'm not saying he'll make it, but his chances are better than ever right now!
Never played Golden Sun and I'm not familiar with the character, but I'm excited for you fans of Isaac to finally get him in!
I'm not saying he'll make it, but his chances are better than ever right now!
Never played Golden Sun and I'm not familiar with the character, but I'm excited for you fans of Isaac to finally get him in!
Tetiro
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Even then it is not the end.
They can still add Isaac and give Matthew/Felix his place as an Assist Trophy. Same move. Different character model and voice pack.
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I am expecting a super retro, off the wall character to pop up that no one expects. Like ice climbers, Game and Watch, duck hunt dog...I can almost guarantee sakurai wants to throw in another one.
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If they do an off-the-wall character I'm still calling Lip. Sakurai's given Panel de Pon a lot of attention in the past and he redesigned the flowers this time when he usually never does that. There could be a dual purpose for that (such as them appearing on a Panel de Pon stage or something). I'm not expecting it, just if there IS an off-the-wall character, I'm betting on it being Lip.
But IMO, the #1 most likely newcomer right now is Isaac.
I'm sorry but I can't do that. Geno has nothing going for him. He's a side character in a 20 year old Mario owned by a third-party company. I'll be happy for his fans if he gets in, but IMO Geno does not "deserve" it. Waluigi should be playable first. Hell, Fawful should be playable first. Just in terms of Mario.
In terms of Square Enix, so should Terra, Sora, and Crono. In terms of third-parties, there's Crash, Spyro, Banjo, etc.
Geno is a nothing character no matter how you slice it. Even among obscure Nintendo first-party characters, he's obscure because he's not a main character (but he's not first-party because Square Enix owns him).
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Yeah guys. Nintendo never overshadows the indie games with their own....
There is no Smash reveal.
The worst case scenario is him not returning at all.
But even with my stupid Theory, I'm still worried about his chances.
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But characters aren't selected in Ultimate because they have some sacred right, they are getting in because they are popular and requested. It's influenced every newcomer to some degree, some more than other, but it's there. And as of now, Geno is petty much next in line alongside Issac for that old long requested characters now that Ridley and K.Rool are gone. It also helps that we know Sakurai thinks Geno is perfect for a Smash character, and he is the person who decides what characters are "deserving." If a character pleases the fans, than I feel the spot is well deserved then and there.
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How so? I was of the mind if Isaac wasn't in base game then a DLC campaign would be started. There are popular characters who are assist trophies that still haven't managed to make the jump, so that's why I feel it's worst. But hey, that's just my opinion.
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Funny, that even a few months ago, we were thinking that characters that were irrelevant like King K rool wouldn't get in. But why are we judging characters based on how deserving they are?
People can make the argument that Isaac isn't deserving because he's from Ann RPG that no one remembers today.
SMRPG hasn't been represented by anyone in so long, so I don't blame the fans for requesting for someone who isn't "relevant".
Nazyrus
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Yeah it hasn't even been a week, holy hell… Well they did tease "more coming soon" at the end of that europe nindies direct so… I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of this nindies on the 28th they tease the REAL regular nintendo direct or, i don't know, early september? Since the 28th is literally almost the end of the month, to tease a regular Nintendo Direct for the first week of september doesn't seem off to me, specially since it's already crazy that we are getting two nindies direct within the same week. They just proved me with this that anything is possible, lol.
I agree, I'm still hoping for something during gamescom, probably they are saving a singular trailer reveal for the 25th ? After all gamescom is a place of multiple announcements, but this is just me hoping for something that has 99% chances of not happening, yet 1% of happening so… I'm just hoping, either way I believe that we will have a regular direct on early september at this point. After 2 nindies direct within the same week, and a smash focused direct a few weeks ago, people who are hungry for a normal nintendo direct must be pissed off already and Nintendo knows it.
mynameisBlade
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Just wanted to let you all know that last night I had a dream of a double-package reveal. Isaac being one of the characters and the other shocked me, but was still exciting to see him. Agumon. I have a feeling at least one of these will come to fruition.
I have a feeling at least one of these will come to fruition.