Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[N3ON]

I don't think anyone is making the argument that a Mii costume is preferable to being playable, or that it's a faithful representation of the character, but I don't understand how it's preferable to nothing, even if you don't play it.

 

[Ura]

I would be down for a Isaac/Felix Mii Costume set.

 

[Tonydrake]

I support Isaac too. There's a lot of potencial here and Golden Sun deserves some love in Smash

When they removed Isaac's Assist Trophy I thought it was a sign that he would be playable, at least in DLC, but we got nothing. It didn't make any sense. Was he planned and then cancelled?

I want more magic users and new franchises represented, and Isaac can bring both things, so give him a chance, Sakurai

Besides, a Golden Sun stage with the main theme and the Battle theme would be very cool

 

[N3ON]

Not simply for the sake of Isaac and Golden Sun, I hope Sakurai amends how he views "classic" (the term he uses) series. There are cool characters from the NES and earlier days, but now he's missing out on the whole SNES-GCN era, which is now, or has been for a while, debatably retro. There's a lot of potential within those eras, and he need not divert from the trend of mostly focusing on the recent, just don't cast a shadow on that fifteen year span.

I mean we're now at seventeen years since GS1. When ICs were included in Melee, their game had only come out sixteen years previous.

 

[Miifighters4Smash5]

Not simply for the sake of Isaac and Golden Sun, I hope Sakurai amends how he views "classic" (the term he uses) series. There are cool characters from the NES and earlier days, but now he's missing out on the whole SNES-GCN era, which is now, or has been for a while, debatably retro. There's a lot of potential within those eras, and he need not divert from the trend of mostly focusing on the recent, just don't cast a shadow on that fifteen year span.

I mean we're now at seventeen years since GS1. When ICs were included in Melee, their game had only come out sixteen years previous.

I could only see that happening; If Sakurai hands over Smash to someone else; However, It's his Franchise, I Don't think He'd give it up so easily to anyone. or even change his Retro-Oriented Ideaology.

 

[N3ON]

I could only see that happening; If Sakurai hands over Smash to someone else; However, It's his Franchise, I Don't think He'd give it up so easily to anyone. or even change his Retro-Oriented Ideaology.

Yeah I don't think it's going to happen either, which is a shame. The ~NES era has been exhumed pretty thoroughly already, give other eras a second chance.

Plus, who knows the mentality of Sakurai's eventual successor. If it's Nintendo themselves they might be even worse about roster building, look at the Mario Kart games. Sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish for.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

What do you guys think about Dark Dawn content? Isaac is definitely the most popular GS character by far in terms of Smash and I know DD didn't do so hot.
Do you think Sakurai and his team might consider looking at the latest game in the series instead of what we all expect if GS does finally get a rep?

What about a Roy/Corrin situation if a new GS game is in the works? Anyone think that's a possibility?

 

[Organization XIII]

I doubt they'd add DD characters over Isaac. Sakurai has always added the main hero first. I guess except in the case of Ness but he is still considered the face of the franchise. So Isaac will definitely be who they add however they could potentially throw in Matthew as an alt

 

[Accursed]

What do you guys think about Dark Dawn content? Isaac is definitely the most popular GS character by far in terms of Smash and I know DD didn't do so hot.

I hope they compromise and add in Dark Dawn's Isaac instead of the original one. I think he'd stand out among the generic anime boys currently on the roster.

Spoiler

 

[Ura]

I hope they compromise and add in Dark Dawn's Isaac instead of the original one. I think he'd stand out among the generic anime boys currently on the cast.

Spoiler

All of my no.

Destroy all beards!

 

[Accursed]

All of my no.

Destroy all beards!

What are you talking about? Isaac's beard is badass.

 

[Ura]

What are you talking about? Isaac's beard is badass.

All beards are inherently evil!

 

[Altais]

Beard or no beard, in the end I'll be glad to see Isaac in Smash. And anyway, I do like old Isaac's jacket.

[EDIT] I just thought of something: I would love to see young Isaac wearing adult Isaac's clothes.

 

[Skyblade12]

I'm a huge Fire Emblem fan, but I really don't think Corrin should have been included. It was nothing but flavor of the month advertising. Corrin isn't a Nintendo All Star, and doesn't have the lasting popularity of a lot of the other characters. Including the other Fire Emblem characters.

 

[FunAtParties]

What are you talking about? Isaac's beard is badass.

I have an Isaac beard. I hate my beard

 

[Metocles]

Sakurai typically adds the face of the franchise which would certainly be Isaac. More than likely beardless as well since that's the most recognizable one. There's a reason he was chosen for Brawl's AT after all.

I am one of the very few that actually liked DD. Though it was understandably a let down for many fans, it also is underrated in how much good it brought with it. If we ever do get a 4th game, DD is the jumping off point that it would a direct sequel to. If we ever live in a universe where that's the case I think DD will be appreciated like GS1 is to TLA.

Both GS1 and DD have so many parallels that it's undeniable. A proverbial TLA2 would more than likely be the game that cements Golden Sun once and for all as being a great franchise even to its naysayers.

As it is, I doubt much DD content if Isaac is there. Maybe a song or two and stickers. The original two will be where most of content is based from.

 

[Organization XIII]

All beards are inherently evil!

This is PSA
Isaac's beard is the holiest of beards. Any attempt at disrespecting the one true beard will be met with extreme and swift persecution.
Thank you and have a nice day

 

[Deleted member]

Isaac's beard is valid but I prefer young Isaac because he resembles me. We're even the same age.
That said, I don't mind which version of him gets in. I just want that to happen.

 

[Arteen]

I'd prefer young Isaac, but I'd happily take adult Isaac or Matthew. Whatever I can get.

Classic Isaac has that top tier scarf though.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

To change the topic, check this poll and how well Isaac did in it.

Here's a polling done by a popular Latin American Nintendo site. Take these results with a grain of salt, since this site is aimed as a "News" site for casual Nintendo (not Smash) fans.

The site received over 10,000 votes in a 2 week period with 3 questions being:

Which characters would you like to see return to Smash Switch? (Pick as many as you want)
Which characters would you like to see cut from Smash Switch? (Pick as many as you want)
What is the newcomer you want the most in Smash Switch? (Write down only one name)


Note that the questions all talk about WANT. So it isn't what you think is likely, but rather what would you want.


1-) Which characters would you like to see return to Smash Switch? (Pick as many as you want)

1. Kirby – 6.372
2. Pikachu – 6.058
3. Zelda – 5.983
4. Luigi – 5.844
5. Bowser – 5.765
6. Sonic – 5.764
7. Samus – 5.747
8. Yoshi – 5.725
9. Donkey Kong – 5.611
10. Mewtwo – 5.488
11. Fox – 5.436
12. Mega Man – 5.407
13. Samus Zero – 5.169
14. Meta Knight – 5.156
15. Captain Falcon – 5.124
16. Ganondorf – 5.103
17. Peach – 4.955
18. Lucario – 4.868
19. Pit – 4.820
20. Pac-Man – 4.798
21. Bayonetta – 4.779
22. Wario – 4.755
23. Charizard – 4.697
24. Falco – 4.542
25. Ness – 4.517
26. Sheik – 4.505
27. Toon Link – 4.497
28. Greninja – 4.390
29. Diddy Kong – 4.366
30. Ike – 4.309
31. Estela y Destello – 4.203 (Rosalina and Luma)
32. Mr. Game & Watch – 4.161
33. Little Mac – 4.093
34. Ryu – 4.022
35. Lucas – 3.974
36. Marth – 3.972
37. Jigglypuff – 3.844
38. Bowser Jr – 3.741
39. R.O.B. – 3.612
40. Olimar – 3.484
41. Cloud – 3.450
42. Roy – 3.436
43. Dúo Duck Hunt – 3.409
44. Aldeano – 3.399 (Villager)
45. Rey Dedede – 4.385
46. Palutena – 3.350
47. Shulk – 3.349
48. Mii – 3.113
49. Lucina – 2.614
50. Corrin – 2.580
51. Pit Sombrío – 2.419 (Dark Pit)
52. Entrenadora de Wii Fit – 2.418
53. Dr. Mario – 2.311
54. Daraen – 2.221 (The ****??)

2-) Which characters would you like to see cut from Smash Switch? (Pick as many as you want)

1. Entrenadora de Wii Fit – 2.926
2. Dr. Mario – 2.695
3. Pit Sombrío – 2.272 (Dark Pit)
4. Corrin – 1.730
5. Cloud – 1.707
6. Lucina – 1.701
7. Aldeano – 1.944 (Villager)
8. Mii – 1.928
9. Daraen – 1.452 (???)
10. Dúo Duck Hunt – 1.446
11. Bayonetta – 1.321
12. Jigglypuff – 1.320
13. Olimar – 1.056
14. Bowser Jr – 1.052
15. R.O.B. – 971
16. Greninja – 927
17. Mr. Game & Watch – 888
18. Ryu – 887
19. Estela y Destello – 881 (Rosalina and Luma)
20. Shulk – 860
21. Toon Link – 824
22. Palutena – 804
23. Little Mac – 797
24. Roy – 777
25. Lucas – 717
26. Charizard – 692
27. Diddy Kong – 689
28. Pac-Man – 681
29. Ike – 617
30. Marth – 581
31. Mega Man – 495
32. Lucario – 490
33. Falco – 468
34. Wario – 458
35. Ness – 440
36. Captain Falcon – 438
37. Mewtwo – 423
38. Sheik – 410
39. Sonic – 387
40. Samus Zero – 367
41. Rey Dedede – 363
42. Pit – 344
43. Ganondorf – 322
44. Peach – 321
45. Meta Knight – 275
46. Zelda – 265
47. Fox – 249
48. Pikachu – 219
49. Donkey Kong – 201
50. Yoshi – 192
51. Samus – 182
52. Kirby – 175
53. Luigi – 171
54. Bowser – 167

3-) What is the newcomer you want to be added the most in Smash Switch? (Write down only one name)

1. Goku – 550
2. Crash Bandicoot – 330
3. Waluigi – 240
4. Rayman – 185
5. Snake – 152
6. Bomberman – 137
7. Banjo Kazooie – 123
8. Shovel Knight – 101
9. Hans/Isaac – 88
10. Spring Man – 82
11. Ice Climbers – 74
12. Decidueye – 71
13. Rex – 69
14. Daisy – 68
15. Shadow – 64
16. Skull Kid – 58
17. Sans – 52
18. Paper Mario – 50
19. Shantae – 47
20. Sora – 42
21. Geno – 39
22. Toad – 37 / King K. Rool – 37
23. Mipha – 36
24. Rex y Pyra – 34
25. Wolf – 33 / Tails – 33 / Travis Touchdown – 33
26. ARMS – 30
27. Phoenix Wright – 25 / Incineroar – 25
28. Zero – 24
29. Midna – 23 / Profesor Layton – 23
30. Sceptile – 22 / Ridley – 22 / Dixie Kong – 22
31. Mega Man X – 21
32. Chrom – 20 / Felix – 20
33. Lyn – 18
34. Pyra – 16
35. Krystal – 14 / Rabbids – 14 / Cappy – 14 / Azura – 14 / Solaire – 14
36. Laboman – 13
37. Mythra – 12 / Bandana Waddle Dee – 12 / Simon Belmont – 12 / Naruto – 12 / Marx – 12
38. Kamek – 11
39. Amaterasu – 10 / Knuckles – 10 / Celica – 10 / Kirito – 10 / Twintelle – 10

(Anything below 10 votes wasn't counted)



If we are to take those last results and sort of merge together some chars (like Rex, who appears like 4 times)

1. Goku – 550
2. Crash Bandicoot – 330
3. Waluigi – 240
4. Rayman – 185
5. Snake – 152
6. Bomberman – 137
7. Rex/Pyra/Mythra – 131
8. Banjo Kazooie – 123
9. ARMS Char– 122
10. Golden Sun Char – 108
    
11. Shovel Knight – 101
12. Ice Climbers – 74
13. Decidueye – 71
14. Daisy – 68
15. Shadow – 64
16. Skull Kid – 58
17. Sans – 52
18. Paper Mario – 50
19. Shantae – 47
20. Sora – 42
21. Geno – 39
22. Toad – 37 / King K. Rool – 37
23. Mipha – 36
24. Wolf – 33 / Tails – 33 / Travis Touchdown – 33
25. Phoenix Wright – 25 / Incineroar – 25
26. Zero – 24
27. Midna – 23 / Profesor Layton – 23
28. Sceptile – 22 / Ridley – 22 / Dixie Kong – 22
29. Mega Man X – 21
30. Chrom – 20
31. Lyn – 18
32. Krystal – 14 / Rabbids – 14 / Cappy – 14 / Azura – 14 / Solaire – 14
33. Laboman – 13
34. Bandana Waddle Dee – 12 / Simon Belmont – 12 / Naruto – 12 / Marx – 12
35. Kamek – 11
36. Amaterasu – 10 / Knuckles – 10 / Celica – 10 / Kirito – 10

I merged some franchises like Arms and Xenoblade 2 because people probably just want X the franchise represented and most probably someone who votes for Twintelle would still be happy with Spring Man. This is the reason I did not merge things like Pokemons or Mario characters together, because most people voting for Y Pokemon or Z Mario Character specifically want Y or Z and don't want any other Pokemon or Mario Character.

While I know the list might get **** on for having Goku at the top, it still sort of proves which characters are on the casual Nintendo fan minds, be it through trolling, through a meme or whatever.

And I just wanted to point out that a week ago people were discussing how Golden Sun isn't remembered by anyone and it's a dead franchise. I just want to point out that it is apparently still remembered and still tops polls in terms of popularity.



Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=133&v=6XZMB9Wpf40

 

[N3ON]

^it's actually kind of crazy to think about how well Isaac's popularity has maintained given how little attention his series is shown. What a guy.

If any of you are interested in an active poll currently going around resetera, thought I'd share.
https://goo.gl/forms/zNbeHgIIG56ocYVk2

Show Isaac (or whomever) your love!

 

[FunAtParties]

^it's actually kind of crazy to think about how well Isaac's popularity has maintained given how little attention his series is shown. What a guy.

If any of you are interested in an active poll currently going around resetera, thought I'd share.
https://goo.gl/forms/zNbeHgIIG56ocYVk2

Show Isaac (or whomever) your love!

Nice poll. Lmao @ "Alph is already in the game".

 

[DraginHikari]

^it's actually kind of crazy to think about how well Isaac's popularity has maintained given how little attention his series is shown. What a guy.

If any of you are interested in an active poll currently going around resetera, thought I'd share.
https://goo.gl/forms/zNbeHgIIG56ocYVk2

Show Isaac (or whomever) your love!

Golden Sun left a mark on those that played it. It's just unfortunately the series kind of faltered off and we've been left on a cliffhanger for like seven and a half years lol.

 

[Metocles]

The Golden Sun games has the kind of gameplay that was novel and actually made you think about the puzzles you did while also being fun. It was perfectly realized in that psynergy you used didn't just stay in battle or cutscenes. You actually got to use the psynergy on the overworld to find secrets and complete tasks.

People rag on how much text there is in the games, but, in my opinion, it simply deepened the lore as you traversed through the game. How many lines of dialogue are because of Mind Read? Most RPGs, I'm sorry to say, have NPCs that stand around and say one thing the entire game like "Hello". You don't forget games that have an immersive quality to them.

 

[Organization XIII]

People rag on how much text there is in the games, but, in my opinion, it simply deepened the lore as you traversed through the game. How many lines of dialogue are because of Mind Read? Most RPGs, I'm sorry to say, have NPCs that stand around and say one thing the entire game like "Hello". You don't forget games that have an immersive quality to them.

Complaining there's too much text in an RPG? That's like complaining there's too much much shooting in an FPS or too much combat in a fighting game. People make the most ridiculous complaints.

 

[Hydewell]

To change the topic, check this poll and how well Isaac did in it.

In reality, nintenderos is a spanish site (though a lot of its views comes from Latin America).

Anyways, they also did a poll when the ballot was announced in 2015 and Isaac was heavily voted: http://www.nintenderos.com/2015/05/...l-estos-son-vuestros-candidatos-a-smash-bros/ Though the results were a little deceptive because it wasn't a general ballot; they divided the candidates by blocks, so you could vote for one character in each block.

 

[Morbi]

Sakurai typically adds the face of the franchise which would certainly be Isaac. More than likely beardless as well since that's the most recognizable one. There's a reason he was chosen for Brawl's AT after all.

I am one of the very few that actually liked DD. Though it was understandably a let down for many fans, it also is underrated in how much good it brought with it. If we ever do get a 4th game, DD is the jumping off point that it would a direct sequel to. If we ever live in a universe where that's the case I think DD will be appreciated like GS1 is to TLA.

Both GS1 and DD have so many parallels that it's undeniable. A proverbial TLA2 would more than likely be the game that cements Golden Sun once and for all as being a great franchise even to its naysayers.

As it is, I doubt much DD content if Isaac is there. Maybe a song or two and stickers. The original two will be where most of content is based from.

To be fair, it might be an Ike situation where our little Isaac grows up in the sequel.

Complaining there's too much text in an RPG? That's like complaining there's too much much shooting in an FPS or too much combat in a fighting game. People make the most ridiculous complaints.

It depends, there can definitely be too much of something given within a certain genre.

 

[Organization XIII]

It depends, there can definitely be too much of something given within a certain genre.

I get what you're saying but I feel like if you pick up an RPG and don't want to read a bunch of text you probably shouldn't be playing it

 

[Ura]

People rag on how much text there is in the games, but, in my opinion, it simply deepened the lore as you traversed through the game. How many lines of dialogue are because of Mind Read? Most RPGs, I'm sorry to say, have NPCs that stand around and say one thing the entire game like "Hello". You don't forget games that have an immersive quality to them.

That's fine and all but there's no way NO WAY you can justify the length of this scene to me.

I was playing Golden Sun 3AM at night watching that and I was literally yelling at Babi to shut up in vain hopes that the computerized NPC would listen to my plea.

 

[Accursed]

>McGammar

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Hey, guys; someone on GFaqs (energyman-2289) posted this playlist of a YouTuber called Delzethin who makes (imo) really good character speculation for Smash.

Here is the Isaac one:

And here's the full playlist for those interested:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpD1oPUmLkSeoVAThbnpx7AM72jnqlSJg

 

[Ura]

Hey, guys; someone on GFaqs (energyman-2289) posted this playlist of a YouTuber called Delzethin who makes (imo) really good character speculation for Smash.

Here is the Isaac one:

And here's the full playlist for those interested:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpD1oPUmLkSeoVAThbnpx7AM72jnqlSJg

@Delzethin is a user here on Smashboards.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Oops, didn't know that.

 

[Metocles]

That's fine and all but there's no way NO WAY you can justify the length of this scene to me.

I was playing Golden Sun 3AM at night watching that and I was literally yelling at Babi to shut up in vain hopes that the computerized NPC would listen to my plea.

It's not really about justifying it. If you curse Golden Sun for this sin, then you have to really take a full look at your entire RPG library and ask the same question. I can understand if it gets on your nerves because of the talking sound effect sort of droning in your ear. This is doubly the case if you, like many others, are especially mindful of the length of the dialogue during scenes like that, but when isn't that the case with something that grinds your gears?

If there were not this full exposition happening and building up of lore, I posit that Golden Sun would be hurt because of it. In that scene there, they're building up the mystique of Lemuria. Anyone who has played the game remembers how neat it was that we finally got to go there to explore. Would it still have that mystique if you had scenes with minimal effort and even more minimal dialogue? How many stories in RPGs or video games in general have failed because they're terrible at explaining lore or what's occurring at the moment?

I understand the admonishment of the text and empathize with it, but it's a bit silly to impale the series and give it that stigma. Then you end up with the situation that we see now where most new players go through and only concentrate on how long and drawn out the dialogue is without even knowing what is being said in it. We'll agree to disagree on this, I guess.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I'd hope he'd wield a mace personally
but really I'd be fine with him just being here

 

[Accursed]

Hey, guys; someone on GFaqs (energyman-2289) posted this playlist of a YouTuber called Delzethin who makes (imo) really good character speculation for Smash.

Here is the Isaac one:

>no gimmicks
Ew.

 

[Bebe Mignon]

I need to get back into Golden Sun and finish it. I think I left off somewhere after crossing a sea inside a ship or in the desert...how much longer do I have left to go?

 

[Accursed]

I need to get back into Golden Sun and finish it. I think I left off somewhere after crossing a sea inside a ship or in the desert...how much longer do I have left to go?

You have a quarter of the game left.

 

[Metocles]

I need to get back into Golden Sun and finish it. I think I left off somewhere after crossing a sea inside a ship or in the desert...how much longer do I have left to go?

Yeah, not too much further to go. Plan on playing The Lost Age too?

 

[Bebe Mignon]

Yeah, not too much further to go. Plan on playing The Lost Age too?

Yes, but probably not for the Wii U. I'm hoping a re-release for the Switch is in the near future!