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Speaking of the Ballot, while we now know that Sora was the overall winner, has Nintendo seen fit to release the full polling results as well? Because I am incredibly interested in seeing what sort of data that poll yielded, not just in regards to Isaac, but other characters as well.
Honestly, given the Smash fanbase, I can't help but think that mystery is best left unanswered...
 

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Speaking of the Ballot, while we now know that Sora was the overall winner, has Nintendo seen fit to release the full polling results as well? Because I am incredibly interested in seeing what sort of data that poll yielded, not just in regards to Isaac, but other characters as well.
I'd be fascinated to see the results as well, but for the same reason they didn't disclose Sora up until now, they're not going to disclose the rest. The Smash fanbase rightfully can't be trusted to not go insane with the information and start bothering the devs of the characters like it's up to them.

Look at the fact that the Brawl poll was sixteen years ago and those results were never released, nor will they ever be. Same kind of deal here, sadly.
 

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Haven’t been active on this thread in a loooong time. After Isaac’s assist reveal for the base game I kind of accepted his role in Ultimate. He was still my #1 most wanted fighter, but I was mostly content with his existence as an assist and Mii costume. Would have loved to have seen him as DLC, but it was pretty clear that the promotional 1st party/major 3rd party direction of the DLC didn’t bode well for Isaac.

That said, the announcement of Sora definitely rekindled some of my optimism for Isaac’s chances. A lot of people were worried that Ultimate was gonna end on a dud (Cinderace, Euden, etc.), but having it end with the absolute most requested ballot character says a lot. The additions of characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo, and even the addition of Isaac’s assist already proved that Sakurai was reacting to the fans requests. But Sora really drove that point home.

I don’t know when the next Smash game will be, or what kind of game it will be, but I do feel confident that we will continue to see big fan requests. The response to Sora, and characters like K. Rool before him have been absolutely insane. And Isaac has been topping fan polls for over a decade now, and continues to be a very loud request among fans. If a new GS game comes out at any point between now and the next Smash game (which seems pretty possible given that Nintendo decided to take a chance on Advance Wars + the fact Camelot’s usual projects are out of the way), I’m confident that we’ll be seeing Isaac as a playable fighter. And even if we don’t see a new GS game, I still feel that he’s on the table - K. Rool and Banjo show that it’s definitely possible.

Sorry if this feels like a weird time to be optimistic, but I’m just so happy with the direction Sakurai decided to take Ultimate. I hope that Nintendo sees that this is what Smash is all about.
 

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Speaking of the Ballot, while we now know that Sora was the overall winner, has Nintendo seen fit to release the full polling results as well? Because I am incredibly interested in seeing what sort of data that poll yielded, not just in regards to Isaac, but other characters as well.
I doubt they'd ever release the results, as much as I'd want to see it. In any case, I feel like it is too early anyways. There's still plenty of big name characters that haven't gotten in yet and releasing the results now would be too soon, in my opinion.
 

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I didn't watch the whole presentation, but I have a question. Sora was presented as the absolute ballot winner? Didn't they say the same about Bayonetta back then?...
 

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We at least do have a general idea with who was the most popular on the ballot. There were various polls taken in the ballot period and while I do believe the general positions of the characters isn't accurate. we can gauge which candidates were the most discussed at least. Sora was one of the most frequent third party characters that shown on those polls and we can see that reflected with what was officially revealed. Characters like Isaac, Shovel Knight and Bomberman who were common poll toppers for example received solid consolidation prizes in Ultimate which I believe is intended as a nod that we were heard but couldn't quite make the cut.

Isaac especially probably got the biggest nods out of all the potential candidates, he not only returned as an assist trophy but his moveset and movement capability was expanded, the first and currently only of it's kind (besides Shadow's chaos control having that one extra freeze ability) and he was the only cut Brawl assist trophy besides Gray Fox to make his return. There's also Golden Sun having eight spirits, only coming after Rhythm Heaven having the most spirits out of every non playable franchise alongside being the only one that has every class of spirits being accounted for. There's no doubt all this came from Isaac's strong presence in the ballot. Also the Mii costume is a pretty notable piece of representation. It easily puts him in a strong position for the next game to some degree which would be only further rocket-boosted by a new Golden Sun game with successful sales.

I didn't watch the whole presentation, but I have a question. Sora was presented as the absolute ballot winner? Didn't they say the same about Bayonetta back then?...
They said Bayonetta was first amongst "realisable" character so pretty much whatever characters they were able to feasibly get the license to at that time so you can put a character owned by Disney as a character that wasn't realisable at that point in time
 

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We at least do have a general idea with who was the most popular on the ballot. There were various polls taken in the ballot period and while I do believe the general positions of the characters isn't accurate. we can gauge which candidates were the most discussed at least. Sora was one of the most frequent third party characters that shown on those polls and we can see that reflected with what was officially revealed. Characters like Isaac, Shovel Knight and Bomberman who were common poll toppers for example received solid consolidation prizes in Ultimate which I believe is intended as a nod that we were heard but couldn't quite make the cut.

Isaac especially probably got the biggest nods out of all the potential candidates, he not only returned as an assist trophy but his moveset and movement capability was expanded, the first and currently only of it's kind (besides Shadow's chaos control having that one extra freeze ability) and he was the only cut Brawl assist trophy besides Gray Fox to make his return. There's also Golden Sun having eight spirits, only coming after Rhythm Heaven having the most spirits out of every non playable franchise alongside being the only one that has every class of spirits being accounted for. There's no doubt all this came from Isaac's strong presence in the ballot. Also the Mii costume is a pretty notable piece of representation. It easily puts him in a strong position for the next game to some degree which would be only further rocket-boosted by a new Golden Sun game with successful sales.


They said Bayonetta was first amongst "realisable" character so pretty much whatever characters they were able to feasibly get the license to at that time so you can put a character owned by Disney as a character that wasn't realisable at that point in time
I see. Thanks.
 

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Everything can be solved...if you have the right psynergy. lol


https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...urnament-qualifying-round-voting-open.515530/
We now have a thread asking to vote for the most requested first party character going into the next game. Vote for Isaac if ya'll haven't already =)
Voted for my Golden Boy! Honestly, Isaac definitely feels like one of THE top contenders for 1st party newcomers for the next Smash game. They've already added the long requested ones like Ridley, K. Rool and more. Now, we have to make sure that momemtum that we have built up since Ultimate released (or even since the Ballot) keeps going and when that new GS game finally gets out, we can really do some good for the series! Let's never make the same mistake again during Dark Dawn's release and actually push for the success for GS.
 

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https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...urnament-qualifying-round-voting-open.515530/
We now have a thread asking to vote for the most requested first party character going into the next game. Vote for Isaac if ya'll haven't already =)
Honestly, this is a great reminder of how many wonderful candidates there still are for Nintendo characters for Smash. I voted for like a dozen characters (Isaac first among them of course), and that list still left out some quality choices like an Octoling echo, the Breath of the Wild Champions, and any number of options from Pokemon. Assuming the next Smash is something of a reboot for the franchise, I can't imagine how difficult it is to choose which characters are included, even if third-parties are left out entirely.
 

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After Advance Wars, I also like to think that Golden Sun could get a new game and not necessarily be developed by Camelot. Because I feel the best route to take for Nintendo is to remake the first two games, the base is already there, you could have another company develop it if Camelot is unaivalable for the time being (because of Golf), especially considering the fact that we are already seeing the results of the trademarks registered around the same time the new GS one was, like N64 controller (2017), Advance Wars (2018), Wrecking Crew(2018). And I have no doubt that we will also be seeing Style Savvy soon-ish (maybe next year?) so... Here is hoping. There was also the Grezzo "medieval" game, we still don't know what that was about, do we?

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...urnament-qualifying-round-voting-open.515530/
We now have a thread asking to vote for the most requested first party character going into the next game. Vote for Isaac if ya'll haven't already =)
Voted! So many good options there
 

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In case you guys didn't see the latest announcement on the newcomer speculation hub the newcomer speculation threads are going to close in ten days on October 21st. It's going to be emotional seeing this thread locked after over 1000 pages and over four years of speculation. If you guys still want to keep up with all the latest Golden Sun developments you can check out whatever shows up on r/GoldenSun, follow the IsaacAdepts Twitter account or join the Angara Continent server which you can get the link for if you DM me.
 

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Honestly, this is a great reminder of how many wonderful candidates there still are for Nintendo characters for Smash. I voted for like a dozen characters (Isaac first among them of course), and that list still left out some quality choices like an Octoling echo, the Breath of the Wild Champions, and any number of options from Pokemon. Assuming the next Smash is something of a reboot for the franchise, I can't imagine how difficult it is to choose which characters are included, even if third-parties are left out entirely.
I hope Nintendo is ready to embrace the idea of the Switch's successor not outselling the Switch. They didn't have any of their consoles outsell the NES until the Wii, the GBA never did original GB numbers, and the same is true for the 3DS's sales versus the DS. And let's not talk about the Wii U.

Because that might be something that helps Smash 6 focus more on first parties.
 
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By the way, I mentioned it last year, but it does no harm to repeat it.

Around eight years ago, I started playing the first Golden Sun and did not finish it because of all the things I was doing back then. It's you guys on this thread who made me want to go back to it, and I had a great time. So at the very least, thank you for that! I hope I can play the sequel some day, the original or a remake, and I believe this franchise deserve recognition, in Smash and in general.
 

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Honestly, this is a great reminder of how many wonderful candidates there still are for Nintendo characters for Smash. I voted for like a dozen characters (Isaac first among them of course), and that list still left out some quality choices like an Octoling echo, the Breath of the Wild Champions, and any number of options from Pokemon. Assuming the next Smash is something of a reboot for the franchise, I can't imagine how difficult it is to choose which characters are included, even if third-parties are left out entirely.
Yes, there are still plenty of characters Nintendo can pull from future games (and this is just first party options- there's plenty of third parties that could make it in as well). This is only for unique newcomers, which is why Octoling was omitted. I do plan on doing an echo newcomer tournament and Octoling will be included there. BOTW Champions were excluded because I felt it would be too bloated with all 4 of them considering I already added plenty of Zelda characters. I suppose I could've had them as a 4 in 1 fighter, but it's too late now, honestly. With Pokemon, I don't really see them adding older Pokemon. Putting Cinderace was a bit of a stretch and I originally just gad Gen 10 there (we'll likely be on Gen 10 when the next Smash is released). Hoping the next Smash is not a reboot. I'd love if they could essentially copy and paste Ultimate and then just add more characters, stages, items, modes, etc.

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...urnament-qualifying-round-voting-open.515530/
We now have a thread asking to vote for the most requested first party character going into the next game. Vote for Isaac if ya'll haven't already =)
Thanks for promoting my poll!
 

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I'd love if they could essentially copy and paste Ultimate and then just add more characters, stages, items, modes, etc.
You have to remember that Ultimate required many sacrifices as-is.

Now imagine having to do it again with an even bigger roster.

With even more companies involved.

One of which is Disney.
 

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Man I feel old after having been here off and on for as long as I have been (and I went down a lot of memory lane looking through my rather extensive emails).
Things are so different now..
Well. Either way. Something SHOULD happen soon with SOMETHING. I mean.. things seem to have stayed stagnant for so long ya know?
 

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I didn't watch the whole presentation, but I have a question. Sora was presented as the absolute ballot winner? Didn't they say the same about Bayonetta back then?...
Bayo was #1 in Europe and top 5 in another regions.

Of the realizable characters. Soras got so much Smash4 in his trailer I'm wondering things.
 

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After Advance Wars, I also like to think that Golden Sun could get a new game and not necessarily be developed by Camelot. Because I feel the best route to take for Nintendo is to remake the first two games, the base is already there, you could have another company develop it if Camelot is unaivalable for the time being (because of Golf), especially considering the fact that we are already seeing the results of the trademarks registered around the same time the new GS one was, like N64 controller (2017), Advance Wars (2018), Wrecking Crew(2018). And I have no doubt that we will also be seeing Style Savvy soon-ish (maybe next year?) so... Here is hoping. There was also the Grezzo "medieval" game, we still don't know what that was about, do we?
One thing I've kept in mind in regards to the trademark is to not treat the year of registration as a game announcement. There's likely many games that had trademarks registered and haven't seen a game some years out and since this is about a series we've been waiting to return it's easy to get antsy with each passing Nintendo Direct. I'm just glad to know of this trademark's existence and perfectly content in waiting for however long it takes to unveil. Especially considering I have one heck of a backlog that will be sure to last me a decade lol
 
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One of those captures at the right time moments. lmao

One thing I've kept in mind in regards to the trademark is to not treat the year of registration as a game announcement. There's likely many games that had trademarks registered and haven't seen a game some years out and since this is about a series we've been waiting to return it's easy to get antsy with each passing Nintendo Direct. I'm just glad to know of this trademark's existence and perfectly content in waiting for however long it takes to unveil. Especially considering I have one heck of a backlog that will be sure to last me a decade lol
Yup. It took awlile for other new trademarks to finally show off what they were about. Golden Sun's new trademark (and that new Dark Dawn trademark) will come around eventually. Nintendo wouldn't go out of their way to make these, let alone fork over money for nothing. Makes me wonder how far in development Camelot (or a different studio that could potentially be helping like Grezzo maybe?) is at. I still don't believe that Mario Golf Super Rush should have taken 3+ years to make. Unless they were developing Golf and GS at the same time. But for now, that's just a theory. Hopefully we'll get answers one day.
 

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Bayo was #1 in Europe and top 5 in another regions.

Of the realizable characters. Soras got so much Smash4 in his trailer I'm wondering things.
If you look at Nintendo's 2015-16 lineup, it'll seem like there's many cases where they cheapened out on new Wii U/3DS titles so the real money could be spent on Switch games. This apparently extends to Smash DLC, as Bayo is a smaller third-party than any of the ones in FP2, and they all have hints they were initially planned around this time. It's understandable that Nintendo really needed to come back from the failure that was the Wii U, but by the time FP2 was actually announced, that comeback was already made and they could've gotten away with at least one of those slots being a first-party instead.
 

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Namco bandai just announced a remake of Tales of Symphonia.

I get the idea that if that whole Disney character thing hadn't worked out, Lloyd was the plan B.

I think he was also the #1 most requested character in Japan, with Sora second.

Huh. Timelines...
 
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So, been a long time. I remember when i posted all those Golden Sun comics in the Isaac thread, yeah, Speedwagon, remember me? It's hard to think it's been 5 years. I recently replayed Golden Sun, good game after all these years, though i haven't replayed The Lost Yet due to Xenoblade and other games taking priority.

I wasn't here when the whole Grinch Leak came crumbling down which was for the best, and after months of people speculating about Trademarks and such, Mario Golf killed our hopes.

I'm not here because "i ToLD YOu sO" because i also wanted to believe. I'm here because in a few days the entire Newcomer thread will close, and i just wanted to do one last post. No wall of text here because i don't have the energy.

It's just kinda sad to thing that once upon a time, i saw Isaac as a pretty good candidate, yet other characters i wanted that felt far more unlikely got in first. Like don't get me wrong, im still giddy about Simon in Smash, but it was weird to see Isaac essentially be erased from 4 and have his demand only amount to his Assist coming back.

Still, i will always remember those days when i played Golden Sun hopeful that Isaac's time to shine was soon approaching. One day that might happen, but i know when to call it quits.

Goodpseed Golden Sun.
 

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Namco bandai just announced a remake of Tales of Symphonia.

I get the idea that if that whole Disney character thing hadn't worked out, Lloyd was the plan B.

I think he was also the #1 most requested character in Japan, with Sora second.

Huh. Timelines...
Seems like... a lot of guessing to me. I mean, Lloyd isn't even the most popular Tales character in Japan, Yuri is.

Also, can I get a source on the Symphonia remake?
 

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Isaac just...combusts. lol

We have about 5 days till these Newcomer Threads close, but still, I'm going to miss it. Especially this Isaac one of course. A lot has happened in this Thread and had made many friendships too. I just hope our determination to bring back Golden Sun (and keep supporting Isaac for Smash) won't waver again. After all the work we've put in, we cannot afford to back out now. We WILL get GS back!
 

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Thanks to Isaac: Venus Adept Isaac: Venus Adept , we have a thread over at NintenZone to discuss Golden Sun after this thread closes.

I just want to reiterate that it has been an absolute honour to be here and whilst we didn't get the Ultimate prize, this fanbase has really done a good job of ensuring the legacy of Golden Sun shall never be forgotten.
 
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