Sumting Sumting Maifa | Game Over

[Xivii]

I think DB is also a potential fit. Jack's switch from DB onto Hando D1 stood out the most. If both DB and Z25 were scum wagons, it makes sense for scum!Jack to switch there.

 

[Xivii]

Deadbananas you seem to be town reading almost everyone? Who do you think is scum??

 

[Xivii]

I'm sold on Town!Spak from pythag's case and #3128. It just came off extremely non-opportunistic to me. Or pure as pythag said.

 

[Xivii]

Bessie is town.

 

[Xivii]

I don't think the Vig is scum.

So Bessie, Sabrar, Spak are my non lynchables.

 

[Xivii]

Which leaves Malak and Triss. This one I'm going to sleep on. Whatever the case, I think I'm voting Jack today.

 

[Xivii]

The boom role check makes sense to me if Xivii is a scum mate of Fonti and since boom sent Xivii the message confirming that boom is town, Xivii would know boom has a power role and thus it would be easy for Fonti to claim that and add credibility to their role.

Boom targeted me N1. Fonti checked Boom N1. I wouldn't have known Boom was a PR.

Sidenote: I continue to believe that DB is town because his ability is currently the only explanation for my N1 result and that ability would be way too strong in the hands of scum. Gaming the mod here a bit.

I don't think it would be too powerful at all. Especially since it is probably 1-shot.

Xivii pushed Jack quite a bit but he's capable of bussing

I actually don't bus either. The only times I have that I can remember were Video Game Mafia because lynching scum actually got us closer to parity and on an accident on Peaceful Whale in NNY.

 

[fontisian]

Actually I'll get some thoughts out now. I actually agree with a lot of Mala's 3366. I think there's a good chance Fonti is scum and their role is scum's way of hunting down PRs.

I think Jack is the best hit today based off my reasoning from yesterday. Especially considering Fonti's result today. It's likely that results can't trusted -- either because Fonti is scum or because scum have some way of manipulating the results. Ignoring claims, results, meta, and mod-meta, Jack's play most leads to being scum.

Jack and Fonti mates are very much compatible, especially considering how hard Fonti fought against my reasoning yesterday that Jack could still be scum.

You cannot be real.

 

[Sabrar]

Why don't you bus?

Because the chance that you win specifically due to the town-cred caused by the bussing is much less than the chance that you win a day earlier if you prevent your buddy to be lynched.

 

[Sabrar]

Your post feels to me like you started with a specific target, and are looking for evidence to support your scum read, rather than looking at the big picture and seeing where it leads you.

Hey, that's exactly what I said and you don't even mention me. I'm hurt I'll let you know.

 

[Sabrar]

Bessie and Spak feel like they will hit more personally,

What is your case on Spak? Are you completely disregarding Pythag's read on him?

 

[Sabrar]

I just have issues with what benefit DB role has as town,

Are you serious? That role can completely turn the tide if used correctly.

 

[Sabrar]

I do think we hit most scum in Spak, Bessie, Xivii and Mala.

Why Spak? Same question as to Jack.

 

[Sabrar]

Bessie is town.

Based on what exactly?

 

[Jackrito]

What is your case on Spak? Are you completely disregarding Pythag's read on him?

Spak is more POE tbh, but I liked some of their posts so not as intrested in lynching there today. I can't even remember pythag's read on them need to find that.

 

[Xivii]

Everyone should state who they are willing to vote with the format, Commit: player.

We do not vote unless we get 5+ commitments, we discuss it, and are satisfied with the choice as a group. This is to prevent a potential townie gunghoing it, voting another townie, and scum quick hammering.

Again, I think Jack is the correct play today. I implore every to reread my case on him. bessie Sabrar Spak Malakandra / Trisscar

Commit: Jack

 

[Deadbananas]

Deadbananas you seem to be town reading almost everyone? Who do you think is scum??

Where so you get the impression that I'm town reading everyone.

Here's my list.
Town: Deadbananas
Fonti-on a reread theres no way fonti is scum, if they are they deserve the win and I'll buy mala a donut for somehow seeing it
Sabrar- I don't think our vig would be scum and I trust his claim since it fits well with mine. Sabrar himself has not done much that I feel is scummy in anyway that can't be explained by he was lying low because he was vig.

Townsided
Jack- their play the last two days has looked liked game solving, and while they are wrong about things I think this comes from a towny place
Mala- Mala feels pure, i think his push on fonti is a confused desperate town than a scum push. I liked his EoD 2 and felt he has been improving his overall game too since then.

Scum
Bessie- not stood out so it feels like coasting, odd interactions with xivii that Jack pointed out yesterday, copping out on my questions the previous day.
Xivii- weird interactions with Bessie, his agreeance with mala's push on fonti does not look as pure since he has given much less reasoning and seems to just be agrreeing with mala about everything when Mala himself admitted some points were not as great.
Trisscar- the check makes this slot suspicious and they havent really done much this game besides mechanical info. I'm waiting for them to be un busy so they can participate today
Spak- originally doubted my and Sabrars claim then said he would loud our praises as town, started loading our praises as town then immediately stopped. It feels like he wants to townread us but has to keep people lynchable.

For this list it goes from top to bottom in each segment about confidence

 

[Deadbananas]

I also don't think DB's role is all that powerful, as claimed. Like, it only works once and it offers no protection to the rest of the scum. It's not much more powerful than a 1-shot bulletproof vest.

If I was scum this would be a 1 shot bulletproof vest that instead of killing scum kills town. I think thats pretty powerful for a scum team to have.

 

[Malakandra]

Boom targeted me N1. Fonti checked Boom N1. I wouldn't have known Boom was a PR.

If you both were scummates then Fonti wouldn't of needed to check boom to know boom was a PR. since you would just tell her in scum chat hey boom messaged me clearing himself he's a PR you can say that today to gain cred.

 

[Xivii]

Ah.

 

[Xivii]

Why would claiming her result on boom give her cred as opposed to someone else?

 

[Malakandra]

Maybe Fonti actually is as you said the scum neopolitan, but I'd have to be Fonti since Z claimed the role before Night 1

 

[Malakandra]

Fonti-on a reread theres no way fonti is scum, if they are they deserve the win and I'll buy mala a donut for somehow seeing it

Now I really want Fonti to be scum, a whole donut!

what do you think makes Fonti town, could you point out the stuff

 

[Deadbananas]

Now I really want Fonti to be scum, a whole donut!

what do you think makes Fonti town, could you point out the stuff

I'll send you a chocolate one.

I did a whole re read on Fonti I should of saved posts

Your wagon point while reasonable I don't think makes sense because of a few reasons others have stated and more. For one I don't think scum would know it would be a tie since boom switched at literally the last moment, and before that Z was ahead so scum would of pushed harder on that if Z was scum I feel.

On the positive side Fonti has been one of the most active people contributing a lot and putting down good opinions, and out of all those posts I just get pureness. I don't think scum fonti would push the lynch off of Logic who was town, onto Pythag who was also town, it just seems like something super unnecessary to do.

Fonti has been actively scum hunting and giving a lot of solid reasoning in their posts. Just read through her posts, individual posts won't work as well because you need to see how the vast majority of posts don't come from scum.

 

[Sabrar]

Xivii
I'm still interested in your reply to #3494.

 

[Deadbananas]

Sabrar what is your opinion on Spak?

 

[Deadbananas]

Asking because from what I've seen your main reasoning on him is what Pythag said about him, I was wondering if there was anything else

 

[Xivii]

ems to just be agrreeing with mala about everything

This is not so. I said I agree with much of it. I a disagree with several points. I also had the same suspicion before reading his case.

 

[Xivii]

Based on what exactly?

This is her town meta. If you recall, I made a large meta analysis on Bessie on xkcd and accurately identified her as scum in Stellaris despite everyone else town or null reading her. Bessie is simply a player I know how to read well.

 

[fontisian]

Well that's nice, but maybe you could try convincing the rest pf us.

 

[Xivii]

I’ve long learned that meta doesn’t translate well to others.

 

[fontisian]

Try me.
/ten

 

[Xivii]

Why are tring jack if you think your results are no longer reliable?

 

[Trisscar]

.......................

*cue trumpets* I. EXIST!

God moving is annoying. The good news is I don't have to do it again for an entire year! Hopefully!
The bad news is I only just received internet again like... 2 hours ago. Apologies yall.

Also apologies for incoming wall of quotes.

 

[Deadbananas]

Moving does suck Triss, grats on being back and not having to do it for a bit!

 

[Trisscar]

:/

Trisscar checked not-vanilla. I don't know what it means.

Do not snap vote her.

I'm going to assume, since you did not mention it, that your ability was not redirected. Therefore Framer-ish role exists, good to know, wonder if it only makes people look susp or if it like, mirrorworlds the result of a check or something.

Trisscar do you still claim to be vanilla town.

Yes.

A Trisscar/Xivii/Sabrar/Bananas team would be desperate to move the votes off of Triss and Bananas and onto me and Handorin. They'd probably want to split votes to avoid suspicion. Yet Sabrar's vote didn't move off of Bananas and Trisscar's stayed on Bessie. Xivii and Bananas did end up on opposite town wagon. Were Sab and Triss both just not around to swap votes at eod?

I was around. The (rules therefore my opinion is redacted) mess was something I was trying to get people to stop with because (redacted). I ended up pinging Osie by out-of-forum means about it right before they paused the thread. My vote did not move due to this distraction, not that I had a much better vote at that point regardless.

.....I suspect that if this forum had rules about cussing and other mildly NSFW posts my opinion would be even more redacted.

Modkill dodge

I'll be on after work today. Just moved this weekend so I've been busy, but I'll be all caught up tonight and post my thoughts. Also, we should get like a FoS count going.

mood

Her vote on Bessie day one was so weird. I'm not sure if she thought she was getting lynched and trying to distance from a teammate or what. Triss had a big wagon at the time so not even self pres there is weird to me. That would speak to me she is scum and trusted team to save her maybe, but getting biased now.

Bessie said something I heavily disagreed with, in the middle of a bunch of other behavior I disagreed with. However they were also pushing me and did so in a fashion that I found to be lacking actual logic, I think. Hard to remember my exact thought process.

ok changed my mind again Triss is scum she has done nothing this game and only 3 votes on Bessie Hando and Xivvi. The Xivii one had no reaosning.

This feels too real to be a distance attempt off someone playing scum for the first time though.

Mildly rude.

Are you serious? That role can completely turn the tide if used correctly.

Ehhhhhh? I dunno, I mean yes if you know the targets of a maf attack ahead of time.... hm.
...Ok yes, but that means you need to know who they're going to target and a good place to send the kill instead. I dunno why I'm having such an issue feeling like that's useful here, possibly cause of current game state.

 

[Malakandra]

I'll send you a chocolate one.

I did a whole re read on Fonti I should of saved posts

Your wagon point while reasonable I don't think makes sense because of a few reasons others have stated and more. For one I don't think scum would know it would be a tie since boom switched at literally the last moment, and before that Z was ahead so scum would of pushed harder on that if Z was scum I feel.

On the positive side Fonti has been one of the most active people contributing a lot and putting down good opinions, and out of all those posts I just get pureness. I don't think scum fonti would push the lynch off of Logic who was town, onto Pythag who was also town, it just seems like something super unnecessary to do.

Fonti has been actively scum hunting and giving a lot of solid reasoning in their posts. Just read through her posts, individual posts won't work as well because you need to see how the vast majority of posts don't come from scum.

I've read through everything, your point on Boom makes sense as an option, but I don't think its the only option.

I'll agree to drop Fonti for today after the re read through. I agree they have been contributing a lot, but they could be powerwolfing. If they are scum I don't see other joining in besides Xivii.

 

[bessie]

I sort of want a Bessie lynch today, intrested in peoples thoughts on this. I still think DB is most likely scum out of power roles but not willing to gamble on that and being wrong and losing. I want an actual scum flip before risking that and Bessie feels like a good fit.

I understand that I have been hard for you to read, my style is reactive and I’m still adjusting from the meta of my old site (this is the first complete game I have ever played on a site other than xkcd), and I only play a 1-2 hours as a block every evening, not quick posts multiple times during the day like most of the other players in this game. I’ve reached out to you to ask me questions in posts 2607 and 3033 to better help you read me, and you’ve asked me nothing.

 

[Malakandra]

Triss, what is your current opinion on Bessie and Jack.
Bessie because you seem to have had a few interactions with them which is more than I can say for myself
and Jack because they have also been checked by Fonti and there are some people who think they could be a godfather or the target of a tailor.
Personally I feel like there would not be both a scum framer and a scum godfather or tailor. So either you are being framed and Jack is pure, or you are scum and Jack could be pure or a scum.

 

[Malakandra]

Hey bessie! Who do you think is scum and what are your thoughts on what I asked Trisscar about regarding Jack and the possibilities of a framer.