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Success/Popularity stuff. Final update coming later today!

John12346

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I'll just put together all tournies that had 50+ entrants, no sweat

Sure, maybe a few locals will find their way into the listing, but hey, large sample sizes, right?
 

John12346

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This isn't the update, because I like to wait until midway through the week, as I've said numerous times... But I think now would be a good time to drop a bomb on SWF

Here is the money won by each character from big tournaments, AKA ones with at least 30 entrants, all the way up to CoT5.

I scarcely need to point it out, but there's your 50% argument.
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Ignore; inaccurate data. Correct data is posted further down.

Raw Data

Characters
MK: 11146.81
Diddy: 2696.7
Snake: 3809.54
Lucario: 746.37
TLink: 340.6
Peach: 223.4
Dedede: 446.47
ICs: 825.73
Pikachu: 543.4
Zamus: 292.22
Fox: 234.55
Wario: 1280.5
Olimar: 771.75
Wolf: 477.7
Falco: 1308.87
Kirby: 150.22
Sheik: 12.5
GaW: 243.63
PT: 111
Luigi: 74.05
R.O.B.: 62.3
Marth: 717.15
Z-Sheik: 61.25
Ike: 109.2
Ness: 100
Sonic: 194.67
DK: 61.6
Jiggly: 5
Mario: 59.2
Pit: 21.5

Users
MK: 15892.18
Diddy: 3042.9
Snake: 6851.25
Lucario: 807.8
TLink: 482.4
Peach: 257.4
Dedede: 951.9
ICs: 2433.75
Pikachu: 661.4
Zamus: 524
Fox: 300.3
Wario: 1748.6
Olimar: 847.25
Wolf: 974.5
Falco: 2134.39
Kirby: 304.1
Sheik: 25
GaW: 621.85
PT: 222
Luigi: 259.75
R.O.B.: 178.3
Marth: 1539.05
Z-Sheik: 67.5
Ike: 227.6
Ness: 100
Sonic: 221.75
DK: 99.8
Jiggly: 10
Mario: 177.6
Pit: 43

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295151
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295362
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295280
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295293
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295869
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295740
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295795
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295749
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296235
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296188
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296186
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296278
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295792
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296240
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290202
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296702
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296668
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296716
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296811
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297162
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297641
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298137
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298155
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298007
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298457
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298512
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298999
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298914
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299476
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300010
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300379
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299954
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300373
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300858
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300889
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301324
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301258
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301250
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301241
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301718
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302143
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302620
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303095
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303092
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303093
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303574
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303978
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304716
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305200
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305142
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305441
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305205
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4K: Agatha, E4K: Champion, E4J: Koga
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305956

Notes
- Ally's usage of Ice Climbers at Pound V will not be counted.






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DeLux

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John, can I get an IC money break down at your convenience?

No rush if you're busy
 

John12346

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lol

Posting a character breakdown takes, like 30 seconds, no worries ;p

Ally 1515.5 (491.5)
Vinnie 577.75
Lain 511
Vex 384
ESAM 356.5
Atomsk 346
MeroKnight 164.4
Hylian 163.5
Blue Rogue 141
Sin242 132
Swordgard 123
Sorto 100
H1N1 76
Frank Rizzle 70
GIMR 66
Cheese 55.8
Nuke 50
Arty 49
Cura 33
Enzo 33
2D-Jeff 27
MintyFlesh 27
Dakpo 26
Fino 18.9
Smoom 16.8
Ninjalink 10
Tech_Chase 8
Snipa 8
Ambrose 5
Bad Karma 4
Rubberbandman 4

The parentheses are an indication of how much money Ally has won with ICs when we exclude Pound V.
 

DeLux

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Sad, my $54 from last weekend isn't in there. I wanted to see how I stacked up against the people that ONLY use ICs instead of running an IC + secondary pairing. I'm not sure about a few of the names on the list, but not many people with ICs ever make money only using ICs it looks like
 

John12346

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Uh, Wolf in the red was a mistake, I'll fix that

And I switched from 50 to 30 because 50 provided very few tournies to work with.

DeLux, link me to the tourney where you won money, maybe I forgot to add it or something...
 

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Double post, w/e, thought I'd bring this to your attention.

I had made a miscalculation when adding in the payouts for CoT5.

I wouldn't be bothering you guys with this unless something of significance occurred from the update, obviously. When the CoT5 payouts are correctly compiled, MK's winnings rise to above 50%. Conclusive.

Anyway, here's the recompiled data...

Raw Data

Characters
MK: 11208.91
Diddy: 2696.7
Snake: 3795.74
Lucario: 746.37
TLink: 340.6
Peach: 223.4
Dedede: 439.57
ICs: 825.73
Pikachu: 543.4
Zamus: 292.22
Fox: 234.55
Wario: 1280.5
Olimar: 730.35
Wolf: 484.6
Falco: 1308.87
Kirby: 150.22
Sheik: 12.5
GaW: 236.73
PT: 111
Luigi: 74.05
R.O.B.: 62.3
Marth: 717.15
Z-Sheik: 61.25
Ike: 109.2
Ness: 100
Sonic: 194.67
DK: 61.6
Jiggly: 5
Mario: 59.2
Pit: 21.5

Users
MK: 15954.28
Diddy: 3042.9
Snake: 6858.15
Lucario: 807.8
TLink: 482.4
Peach: 257.4
Dedede: 924.3
ICs: 2433.75
Pikachu: 661.4
Zamus: 524
Fox: 300.3
Wario: 1748.6
Olimar: 805.85
Wolf: 1002.1
Falco: 2134.39
Kirby: 304.1
Sheik: 25
GaW: 594.25
PT: 222
Luigi: 259.75
R.O.B.: 178.3
Marth: 1539.05
Z-Sheik: 67.5
Ike: 227.6
Ness: 100
Sonic: 221.75
DK: 99.8
Jiggly: 10
Mario: 177.6
Pit: 43

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295151
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295362
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295280
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295293
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295869
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295740
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295795
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295749
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296235
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296188
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296186
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296278
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295792
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296240
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290202
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296702
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296668
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296716
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=296811
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297162
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297641
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298137
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298155
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298007
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298457
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298512
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298999
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298914
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299476
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300010
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300379
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299954
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300373
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300858
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300889
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301324
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301258
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301250
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301241
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301718
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302143
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302620
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303095
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303092
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303093
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303574
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303978
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304716
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305200
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305142
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305441
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305205
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303123 - E4K: Agatha, E4K: Champion, E4J: Koga
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305956

Notes
- Ally's usage of Ice Climbers at Pound V will not be counted.





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I'm going to attempt to go through all the tournaments again and do some sort of popularity for doubles. It'll be hard but I'll attempt it
 

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I'm making a massive meat mountain update to commemorate making it halfway through the year, so here's the raw data for now:

Characters
MK: 1520.6
Lucario: 57.25
Diddy: 28
Wolf: 320
Falco: 111.6
DK: 25.5
Snake: 370.5
Sheik: 50
Marth: 40
GaW: 61.4
ICs: 238.5
Olimar: 123.9
Luigi: 9
Wario: 36
Yoshi: 4.5
Kirby: 1.5
Dedede: 51.15
Sonic: 126
Pikachu: 52.5
Zamus: 21
Peach: 4.5
Pit: 1.5

Users
MK: 2331.5
Lucario: 68.5
Diddy: 38
Wolf: 842
Falco: 145.2
DK: 38
Snake: 1018
Sheik: 100
Marth: 120
GaW: 205.6
ICs: 926.1
Olimar: 96
Luigi: 27
Wario: 36
Yoshi: 18
Kirby: 3
Dedede: 185.1
Sonic: 126
Pikachu: 52.5
Zamus: 21
Peach: 18
Pit: 3

Players
ANTi MK: 140
John12346 Lucario: 40 <-- OHHH YEAAAH!!!
jpIsCrAzY Diddy: 20
jpIsCrAzY MK: 20
Kain Wolf: 143
Arty Falco: 78
Sago MK: 26
Ripple DK: 13 (good ****)
kismet2 MK: 300
Bill_ Sheik: 100
Bill_ Snake: 100
Will_ MK: 25
Will_ DK: 25
SuperBoom MK: 240
KillLock MK: 120
KillLock Snake: 120
KillLock Marth: 120
Alphicans GaW: 40
Alphicans MK: 40
DeLux ICs: 54
Fino Olimar: 27
Fino MK: 27
MegaRobMan Wolf: 9
MegaRobMan Luigi: 9
UltimateRazer Snake: 36
Gnes Diddy: 18
Trela Lucario: 6
Fatal Snake: 37.5
Almo MK: 16.5
Duke Lucario: 10.5
Duke Dedede: 10.5
Prawn ICs: 7.5
Espy Sonic: 126
K Prime Pikachu: 52.5
Paw Zamus: 21
KoN! MK: 10.5
Dakpo Peach: 18
Dakpo Luigi: 18
Dakpo Yoshi: 18
Dakpo MK: 18
Bad Karma Dedede: 9
Bad Karma ICs: 9
Nolan Pit: 3
Nolan Kirby: 3
Lee MK: 72
Jnig Wario: 36
LiD Falco: 12
LiD Lucario: 12
Ally MK: 690
Ally Snake: 690
Ally ICs: 690
Ally Wolf: 690
Mew2King MK: 345
Vinnie GaW: 165.6
Vinnie ICs: 165.6
Vinnie MK: 165.6
Vinnie Dedede: 165.6
Dabuz Olimar: 69
Atomsk MK: 34.5
Atomsk Falco: 34.5
Bizkit Snake: 34.5
Shugo Falco: 20.7
Shugo MK: 20.7
Nairo MK: 20.7

Tournaments Used
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305940
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305943
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305951
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305954
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305963
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305974
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305977
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305988
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305981
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306051
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305956

Tournaments Unused
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305979 - Added to the MK banned tournament listings
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306215 - Did not occur in North America
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MK Banned Tournaments

Characters
Ganondorf: 112
Wario: 43.5
Yoshi: 14.5
Kirby: 5

Users
Ganondorf: 112
Wario: 43.5
Yoshi: 14.5
Kirby: 5

Usage
Ganondorf: 1
Wario: 3
Yoshi: 1
Kirby: 2
Wolf: 2
Falco: 2
Snake: 1
Fox: 1
R.O.B.: 1
Lucario: 3
Diddy: 1
DK: 1
Dedede: 1
ICs: 1
Peach: 1
TLink: 2
Mario: 1
Pit: 1
Sonic: 1
Olimar: 1
Zamus: 1

...****in' metaknight...
 

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Gah I put the raw data there for a reason

Ally was only reported as using Snake, MK, Wolf, and ICs
 

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do not count ally as luigi falcon or ganon john, he wants you to! don't give in
 

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But, he would not have made it out of pools without using those characters!!
 

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-____ -;

I just go by whatever the results page tells me

Anyway standby, about to unload a heaping help of update in the next post
 

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Update Commentary
- Meta-Knight breaks $20000.
- Meta-Knight breaks $21000.
- Now Diddy has done pretty poorly for this week, like Snake has done for the past 2 weeks.
- Mr. Game and Watch regains viability!
- Ganondorf won a Meta-Knight banned tourney!


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And of course, here are the monthly charts...

Character Success - Cumulative:


Character Success - Non-cumulative:


User Success - Cumulative:


User Success - Non cumulative:


Average Success - Cumulative:


Average Success - Non cumulative:

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And now for some extra data!

(Please take note that Ally's usage of ICs at Pound 5 is not included in the below data)









With this update, I finally found out why the Ice Climbers have been doing unnaturally well when data is combined together. There are two factors:
- Ally's performance with Ice Climbers in tournaments outside of Pound 5, winning over a thousand dollars for the character where no other player has.
- Almost no one else uses Ice Climbers, making the winnings made by Ally and a few other users seem enormous by comparison.

If only one of the two factors was present, I'd be more inclined to believe the attained data was natural, but for now, go ahead and disregard ICs in the last 3 graphs, until they see a bit more usage, because right now, they're being big, fat outliers.

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Can you only have a certain number of characters on your success charts? I never see Wolf on them. :<
 

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Wolf's on there, it's just that the size of the key is restricted, so it cuts off after a certain number of characters.

If you want to see Wolf, request a chart with a few designated characters so you can compare, and I'll have it up in a jiffy.
 
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How about a chart with all the space furries, Marth, Olimar, Lucas, Ness...and what the hell, Ganondorf. :awesome:
 

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I'll update the character usage tomorrow morning so it's more accurate.

fyi, MK's probably going down
 

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Don't be confused, this is cumulative, it's just that when MK is removed from the chart, the data zooms in by a lot, allowing you to see the finer details...

 

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hey john, can you give me 2 new charts? 1 that has Ally completely removed from everything. and another that has Ally AND m2k removed?

I would like to see how close to MK the others become without them in the picture.

(which means remove ally from ics, wolf, falcon, etc)
 

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Their absence doesn't seem to have much effect. It actually makes the rest of the high tiers look worse with Snake's 21.4% going down to 14.2%, despite MK's 38.7%.
 

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If you have any time over the next few weeks/if it's possible, how much money do other characters make if you take out money made by MK users? Just curious if MK mains/secondary usage influence other characters' earnings.
 

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When I saw the "Difference From Original" row, I became very scared...


This just confirmed my suspicions that this game would become balanced without MK in it.

Updated version down below.
 

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But Snake is making 4x more than any other character! Let's ban him next :awesome:
 
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