Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
I think Bison's original form from SF Alpha was the strongest villain, and got weaker and weaker each time he came back. Gill is very strong, and Seth is more annoying than he is good.
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Street Fighter IV *Super, AE and Ver.2012*
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I think it's like SF3 Akuma-Gill-Oro-SFA3 Bison in a fourway tie at the top, with Gouken just a little bit below all of them.
Bison, during SF4 is like at 50-60% power or something, so he probably wouldn't be as powerful as Gill by the time the SF3 tournament comes.
Bison, during SF4 is like at 50-60% power or something, so he probably wouldn't be as powerful as Gill by the time the SF3 tournament comes.
Merkuri
Smash Lord
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Is there a relative difference between SF3 Akuma and SF4 Akuma other than ''he is a higher tier'' tiers shouldn't play a part in this discussion. Because by SF3 that would mean Chun-li was the strongest person alive.
Also capcom announced that everything which happened in the Alpha series is not a part of the Street Fighter Canon, so I have to ask if we should be factoring the Alpha series into this.
Also capcom announced that everything which happened in the Alpha series is not a part of the Street Fighter Canon, so I have to ask if we should be factoring the Alpha series into this.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
Where'd they announce that? That would mean that several events and characters would have to be discounted. I doubt Capcom would do that (especially with how many Alpha based characters appear in SFIV/SSFIV).
Technically, the only character who seems to make a direct reference to winning the tourney is Makoto. Don't know if she won though.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Barely ever. He plays mainly Ibuki now. Skisonic still plays Fuerte.
No she wouldn't be.
If you have a statement saying Alpha 2 and Alpha 3 isn't canon then you need a source.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
>_>
Wouldn't be so quick to take every word from their as fact. Especially with the fact that discounting SFA from the main continuity discounts ALOT of stuff in SFIV/SSFIV. I know the SF plot is full of holes in general, but that's a REALLY big hole if it's true.
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
I think it's more like this:
SFA was replaced by SFA2 in the timeline as Alpha was mostly an unfinished 2. Both 2 and 3 feature endings that contradict other endings Therefore, some endings must be noncanon, but others are still canon.
SFA was replaced by SFA2 in the timeline as Alpha was mostly an unfinished 2. Both 2 and 3 feature endings that contradict other endings Therefore, some endings must be noncanon, but others are still canon.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
I know about that. But merkuri was saying "Alpha series" instead of just Alpha 1 or the various contradictory endings in Alpha 2/3.
Missing Person
Smash Apprentice
A lot of the gimmicks that Akuma is known for were kind of bogged down by the parry system. With FA in SF4, there's a limit to what you can do against Akuma, in SF3, the limit is your application of parries. So air fireballs, his ability to go for knockdowns, mixups, and resets, and his ability to play a zoning game (which wasn't very applicable in SF3) detracted from his chance at being high tier in SF3.
That's just off the top of my head seeing Akuma in both game. That's not taking into account startup/recovery frame differences, move priorities and properties in both games, and various other super technical aspects of both characters, since I didn't play Akuma in SF3, and barely do in 4. But there are definitely reasons behinds the tiers between games, and reasons why Akuma fluctuated from being broken in SSF2, mid-tier in SF3, and higher tier in SF4.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
omg people be misinterpreting posts all the time. He was asking about the strength of Akuma according to the story, not in the game.
Missing Person
Smash Apprentice
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
What you said didn't make sense anyways since Akuma was top tier with Ibuki and Sean in 2i.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
I miss 2i Ibuki and Sean. Especially Sean's dunking SRK instead of that stupid double fist crap he has in 3rd Strike
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
I miss his s.HP. Now you have to be close to do it. Gayyyyyy.
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
Sakura > Ryu
Sean > Ken
Dan > Akuma
Sean > Ken
Dan > Akuma
Missing Person
Smash Apprentice
It's all about that vortex! You get her mixups down and it kinda makes up for the damage buff, because once she gets going, it's hard to stop her.
Okay, so I think I've gotten every combination of "Perfect" in this game:
I've had a perfect round and won the match.
I've had a perfect round and lost the match.
I've lost the first round, and gotten a perfect the second round .
I've double perfected someone, and been double perfected (I've even been triple perfected across two matches).
I've lost the first round, and won the next two rounds by perfect.
I've gotten a perfect the first round, lost the second round, and gotten a perfect the third round.
Is there anything else?
I've had a perfect round and won the match.
I've had a perfect round and lost the match.
I've lost the first round, and gotten a perfect the second round .
I've double perfected someone, and been double perfected (I've even been triple perfected across two matches).
I've lost the first round, and won the next two rounds by perfect.
I've gotten a perfect the first round, lost the second round, and gotten a perfect the third round.
Is there anything else?
I hate Guile!
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Yun and Yang are basically confirmed. The pick with the skateboard and skates are confimed to be real.
whoo hoo. >_>
needs more urien/sean/hugo
whoo hoo. >_>
needs more urien/sean/hugo
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
I really hope that 6 character rumour is in the final build, all the talk of Elena, Alex, Rolento, etc. all just barely being cut from the game got me hyped 
Yun is cool but I hate Yang
Still I would love to see even more original distinct characters, when you see them you know they were from the SF IV series.
Yun is cool but I hate Yang
Still I would love to see even more original distinct characters, when you see them you know they were from the SF IV series.
i'm somewhat new to the SF franchise (even though i played SF on my SNES when i was a kid haha). I was wondering, how do I get started playing competitively? I want to play Super street fighter IV. I think competitive players play with those arcade-like controllers right?
Not all competitive players do. Two of the top 8 finishers at Evo this year used a regular PS3 controller. You should use whichever controller is most comfortable for you.
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
Well, for starters, you can check here:
http://shoryuken.com/forum/
The bottom of this forum has a regional zone like we do. Other than that, I would concentrate of getting your BnB (Bread and Butter combos) down for your character along with learning how to play footsies and space properly. All at the same time, keep an eye on what your opponent does.
As Jam Stunna said, you don't need to get an arcade stick, but I use one myself. It depends on preference, but I would definitely not use the 360 controller.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
I would definitely use the 360 controller.
I would definitely use this 360 controller.
http://kotaku.com/5626526/microsoft-reveals-new-360-controller-with-transforming-d+pad
...actually, no, I'd still use stick. But this is better than tha standard 360 controller.
http://kotaku.com/5626526/microsoft-reveals-new-360-controller-with-transforming-d+pad
...actually, no, I'd still use stick. But this is better than tha standard 360 controller.
ThreeX
Smash Lord
lmao yeah, 64 bucks for that controller >_> ouch.
@Glow
Just mess around with the game, find a character you like and just go to shoryuken.com to learn things about him/her/it. It's really good to know your spacing for the character, what normals are good, and what to AA with. I would say either post here if you want help with something specific, because ppl on srk really like to just say "SEEEEEEARCH BAAAAAR" When certain threads are not organized at ALL and you have to use the search bar to look through months of random posts, which annoys me, so that's just my opinion I guess. SF4 is definitely real fun though and it's relatively easy to pick up.
About the whole arcade stick , just learn the game first, and you if you really start enjoying it, then maybe decide on whether or not you want to buy a stick. You don't wanna go and spend like 100 on a stick, that you'll never use.
@Glow
Just mess around with the game, find a character you like and just go to shoryuken.com to learn things about him/her/it. It's really good to know your spacing for the character, what normals are good, and what to AA with. I would say either post here if you want help with something specific, because ppl on srk really like to just say "SEEEEEEARCH BAAAAAR" When certain threads are not organized at ALL and you have to use the search bar to look through months of random posts, which annoys me, so that's just my opinion I guess. SF4 is definitely real fun though and it's relatively easy to pick up.
About the whole arcade stick , just learn the game first, and you if you really start enjoying it, then maybe decide on whether or not you want to buy a stick. You don't wanna go and spend like 100 on a stick, that you'll never use.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
It irks me to no end that people think the 360 controller is bad because the d-pad is bad. THE ANALOGUE STICK IS WHAT MAKES IT SO GOOD.
Also, a lot of people on SRK are douchebags and the site is very unorganized compared to SWF. You may have a difficult time getting the info you want.
Also, a lot of people on SRK are douchebags and the site is very unorganized compared to SWF. You may have a difficult time getting the info you want.
Masmasher@
Smash Lord
the mad catz fight pad works good
its not really that the d pad on the xbox is ****ty ( well.. yeah it is ) but rather its the placement of the d pad . d pads at the bottom of the controller are always ****ty. if they had a controller where the d pad was up and a littile more to the left then it would be all good
its not really that the d pad on the xbox is ****ty ( well.. yeah it is ) but rather its the placement of the d pad . d pads at the bottom of the controller are always ****ty. if they had a controller where the d pad was up and a littile more to the left then it would be all good
Brightside6382
Smash Lord
That's every community the smash community is no different.
But yeah the forums on SRK could use on overhaul.