Stage Thread 2, The Revenge of the Return of the Reemergence of the Stage Thread

[itsthebigfoot]

Now with Fancy Colors

Good Stages
Norfair - not really sure on this stage, it's banned out here, anyone wanna explain this to me?


Smashville - small stage, fairly open, with a platform if you need it. The moving platform allows you to mow people down with fire from above. Grab releases are very easy to do here. you're favorite neutral

Castle Siege - during all stage changes, as well as when you are on the second stage, you can grab release people off the side for an easy ko. small stage, hard to get camped here, just don't cp dedede here

Corneria - the ceiling in here is LOW, really LOW, upb kills early, usmash kills early, utilt kills early, uair pretty much just kills

Pokemon Stadium 1 - not really sure, bowser's just really fun on this stage

Situational Counterpicks
Final Destination- good for metaknight and wario
Frigate Orpheon - for the tether characters, and other people who rely on ledges
Battlefield - good for campy characters, rob, falco, snake, NOT olimar, TAKE OLI ELSEWHERE, BAD THINGS HAPPEN ON THIS STAGE

Bad stages
Yoshi's Island - the central platform makes it very easy for people to camp you, i just never liked this stage
Jungle Japes - very high ceiling, so all your ko moves are no good, water kills you and it says mean things about your mother, all in all, you probably wanna ban either this or rainbow cruise
Rainbow Cruise - this fabulous stage doesn't stop moving, and you will occasionally die because of it, good luck


Character Specific

Bowser Counter Picks and Bans (That's the title)

Bowser's Counter Picks and Bans​

This thread is used to choose what stages should be counter picked or banned on what character.

Metaknight
Counter-
Ban-

Snake
Counter-
Ban-

Falco
Counter-
Ban-

King Dedede
Counter-
Ban-

Mr. Game and Watch
Counter-
Ban-

Marth
Counter-
Ban-

Diddy Kong
Counter-
Ban-

Wario
Counter-
Ban-

Rob
Counter-
Ban-

Lucario
Counter-
Ban-

Olimar
Counter-
Ban-

Pikachu
Counter-
Ban-

Kirby
Counter-
Ban-

Donkey Kong
Counter-
Ban-

Ice Climbers
Counter-
Ban-

Zero Suit Samus
Counter-
Ban-

Toon Link
Counter-
Ban-

Pit
Counter-
Ban-

Peach
Counter-
Ban-

Wolf
Counter-
Ban-

Luigi
Counter-
Ban-

Zelda
Counter-
Ban-

Bowser
Counter-
Ban-

Fox
Counter-
Ban-

:shiek:

Shiek
Counter-
Ban-

Ike
Counter-
Ban-

Mario
Counter-
Ban-

Lucas
Counter-
Ban-

Ness
Counter-
Ban-

Samus
Counter-
Ban-

Sonic
Counter-
Ban-

Pokemon Trainer
Counter-
Ban-

Yoshi
Counter-
Ban-

Link
Counter-
Ban-

Jigglypuff
Counter-
Ban-

Ganondorf
Counter-
Ban-

Falcon
Counter-
Ban-

Thanks to the TL boards for the idea

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That's all folks

 

[Hixxy]

I like Smashville since the stage size makes it easier against projectiles (especially hit and run like Fox) and makes it easier to approach.

 

[Hobobloke]

dude i just posted in the bowser chatroom and general discussion thread about making a stage guide jks as long as this works out well im happy

as for the stages his best are probably battlefield and smashville as he can pretty much control the whole area not to mention platforms are awesome for bowser

 

[Flayl]

Why would Fox hit and run? That would only work for him on banned stages.

 

[Hixxy]

Have you played with a hit and run Fox on Final Destination before?

 

[Flayl]

There's nowhere to run.

edit: You should have mentioned Luigi's mansion.

 

[Nitros14]

Norfair is my favourite for the platforms upsmash/tilt goes through, the lack of any room for chain grabs, the stage hazards that Bowser survives better than anyone and the multitude of edges to prevent Bowser's mediocre recovery from being gimped.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

I'll add in which characters to counterpick on which stages later

 

[Vex Kasrani]

I'll add in which characters to counterpick on which stages later

Yes, because these completely depend on the character your fighting, like you would want to take a DDD to BF while you would want to take MK to FD, DDD ***** you on FD while MK ***** you on most neutrals with platforms.

 

[corhor]

Smashville<3

 

[deepseadiva]

I can see I have some misinformation already, but I'll ask anyway. Would any of you agree on this?:

Bowser
Best: Norfair, Battlefield, Castle Siege
Worst: Distant Planet, Final Destination

It's for this thread, discussing each character's 3 general best and worst stages.

If no, suggestions?

 

[itsthebigfoot]

distant planet isn't bad

jungle japes and brinstar are his worst from my experience

fd is a situational counterpick (characters with no projectiles that get cg'd like mk)

 

[3GOD]

I personally like Lylat Cruise in most situations. Bowser's Usmash pretty much covers an entire platform, and he lives a good while on this stage as well.

Needs more discussion...

 

[Hobobloke]

You should get this thread looking good. Maybe add some images of each stage, summarize how bowser does on the stage and who you should and shouldn't verse there.

 

[Flayl]

I'd say Rainbow Cruise is one of Bowser's worst.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

I love the bowser boards, because you really don't have to be serious at all

 

[ZackInTheBox]

Quick question about Bowser and stage pick:
Which would be the most Ideal stage for using the Flying slam move to commit Bowsercide effectivly and with the most ease?

Ability to not take damage easily is preferred, and a stage that may make me die faster is fine.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

if you can time it right, castle siege, because it has small stages 2 out of 3 times, and you can survive it

 

[Zezima0123]

nice thread. i like it time to go fight some bowser users now

 

[EnragedMathlete]

Why does Sliq counter pick with jungle japes if it's such a bad stage for bowser?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PpraAqPlDo&feature=channel_page
Second match after losing to wolf on bf.

 

[MrEh]

Why does Sliq counter pick with jungle japes if it's such a bad stage for bowser?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PpraAqPlDo&feature=channel_page
Second match after losing to wolf on bf.

Perhaps his thought it would screw with the Wolf player more then himself.

Remember a lot of players hate that stage.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

yeah, it's bad for you, but i'd still cp it on an ike

 

[Sliq]

Perhaps his thought it would screw with the Wolf player more then himself.

This.

10 crocodiles

Out of curiosity, what happens when Bowser suplex's someone into lava?

 

[EnragedMathlete]

That's understandable with wolf's tricky recovery but the toonlonk boards also suggest banning japes against bowser.

Norfair seems like the best CP for bowser (unless you're playing mk?). The low ceiling allows for earlier usmash and utilit kills and the lava could help with getting the other player to a kill percentage. Also, the multiple ledges give bowser a much better chance of getting back to the stage without getting gimped.

Aside from having a flat stage which favors grab releases what makes pokemon stadium 1 worthwhile? The edge makes recovering from below kind of tricky. There are walls which lead to infinites against bowser in a couple of matchups. I don't think the celing is particularly low.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

Out of curiosity, what happens when Bowser suplex's someone into lava?

dry bowser? i dunno, you should try it, i think it would just hurt both of you without doing suplex damage

also, the tinks say ban cause it's craptastic for tink

 

[Phiddlesticks]

I'm pretty sure you can footstool your opponent when you klaw them into the lava (so you don't get hit by said lava).

 

[Sliq]

Well I know that Ganon's over b forces the opponent to bounce off the lava downwards, which kills them off the bottom, and I wasn't sure if Bowser was the same.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Well I know that Ganon's over b forces the opponent to bounce off the lava downwards, which kills them off the bottom, and I wasn't sure if Bowser was the same.

I think it is, but they don't go as low as what ganon does, and you can DI ganon's overb kill into the lava thing and live( DI'ing the lava, not the overb)
Ill test bowser's overb into lava sometime later tomorrow.

 

[Flamingo]

Well I know that Ganon's over b forces the opponent to bounce off the lava downwards, which kills them off the bottom, and I wasn't sure if Bowser was the same.

I believe that it does. And I think Bowser survives it... its so funny

 

[Seagull Joe]

i think yi is good for bowser.over the edge bowser's up air can go through tons of space.makes good for trick kills

 

[Bowser King]

I was thinking this thread needed some work done to it.

Why don't we do what the TL boards do and have a every-other day character counter pick disscusion?

I'd be willing to take over if you want bigfoot.

EDIT: ...and no, I don't main or secondary TL. This is just an avi from a video.

-Bowser King

 

[itsthebigfoot]

go ahead, i'll update the first post for you when you get it done

 

[Bowser King]

Cool. I'll send you a PM tomorrow of the layout and you can copy+paste that in.

-Bowser King

 

[Bowser King]

shot. I left some stuff out in the good version. If you don't mind itsthebigfoot. Could I make a new thread?

If you want to keep this one, that's fine. I fully understand but I just left this thing out of the good copy.

-Bowser King

 

[itsthebigfoot]

I would say go ahead, but seeing as this board never gets modded that may or may not be a bad idea

 

[Bowser King]

I usually PM a mod. It allows for things to get done a loooot quicker.

Though, seeing ow you updated the OP, I think it's up to you.

You should get rid of the Quote around the character specific. It'll make it easier to edit and make it look nicer.
If you really want to put my name on it you can just add it to the end

-Bowser King

 

[Liquid Gen]

Bowser King, if you don't mind I can go around the boards looking for counterpick info myself to speed the process up a bit. We can coordinate our efforts to one, lulz.

 

[Bowser King]

Bowser King, if you don't mind I can go around the boards looking for counterpick info myself to speed the process up a bit. We can coordinate our efforts to one, lulz.

I guess that would be cool. Though I really want to see everyone's opinion on this.


Plus, it's only going to take about 50 days to complete every character .

-Bowser King

 

[Liquid Gen]

True. But if we get like... 4 or so people each doing different boards, each person would receive their own assignments, and we'd have a certain outline of what info it is we need to establish. Like we agreed, Bowser boards need to get organized, and this is a good start to it.

 

[Hobobloke]

If nothing is being done to this thread may i suggest we make it somewhat like they have in the Wolf boards it is very informative http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=193680