Stage Information Database and Q&A

[Bobwithlobsters]

If I wouldn't want to see Smashville everytime, I'd simply ban it or make rules like "no stage can be selected more than one time per set".

Just sayin'

I do strike smashville first almost every match just to mess with people and be difficult.

 

[WMSC_Dot]

I hate fighting certain characters on Smashville, characters like Wario or Falco.

 

[WindMajor]

I hate fighting Wario and Falco.

 

[WMSC_Dot]

Falco's lasers and chain grab are just the way he plays, but you can't beat falco's frame 2 jab into grab at 0%.

 

[Ghostbone]

I meant MLG legalization, but M2K and ADHD messed that up...

It's actually all Shaya's fault

 

[WMSC_Dot]

Who's Shaya?

 

[ぱみゅ]

Precisely.

 

[Ghostbone]

So the ending to that Halberd game in Apex GFs.

Can we agree that stage is stupid yet.

 

[LiteralGrill]

So the ending to that Halberd game in Apex GFs.

Can we agree that stage is stupid yet.

I used to be okay with it and am generally quite open with stages, but I admit the randomly targeting hazards there can really ruin a match. You could tell the commentators were even trying to move on from it to try and keep hype, their voices sounded really uneasy.

 

[-LzR-]

Who gives a **** if a hazard randomly targets a player if they take forever to come out and generally don't do anything if you have a brain. The issue with the stage is the sharking and even that is actually an issue with MK.

 

[Raziek]

Is there a link to this? I didn't even watch Brawl top 8, was too busy playing Mafia IRL.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Who gives a **** if a hazard randomly targets a player if they take forever to come out and generally don't do anything if you have a brain. The issue with the stage is the sharking and even that is actually an issue with MK.

>opponent has momentum
>claw begins to move
>pressure opponent when the claw strikes to frame trap them

You're pretending that the other player doesn't exist, just like with Pictochat.

 

[-LzR-]

Err so how is playing smart and using the stage to your advantage to force and advantageous situation a bad thing? In most stages these things are permanent, like the lack of platforms in FD for Wario, but I guess those are ok. How is 1 second of a hazard 3 times a match not that good? And how does it make the worse player win? The reason people get hit by these hazards is because they are dumb and/or they got outplayed into them.
Pictochat is another case because the hazards cannot be reliably reacted to and are random. In Halberd there are 3 simple hazards with like 7 whole seconds to react to and they are hard to miss.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

The player isn't necessarily out-played
He's only out-played if his opponent gets lucky, you don't know who the claw will hit until you've committed to the frame trap

that's the problem here

 

[WindMajor]

Ya'll are looking at Halberd like if adapting to your surroundings in a Smash game is a sin.

 

[Ghostbone]

Is there a link to this? I didn't even watch Brawl top 8, was too busy playing Mafia IRL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpN-LKtEqSk#t=16m25s

Err so how is playing smart and using the stage to your advantage to force and advantageous situation a bad thing? In most stages these things are permanent, like the lack of platforms in FD for Wario, but I guess those are ok. How is 1 second of a hazard 3 times a match not that good? And how does it make the worse player win? The reason people get hit by these hazards is because they are dumb and/or they got outplayed into them.

Zero's dumb and Nairo planned to win the game off the random claw?
lol stop kidding yourself.

 

[Raziek]

That's both hilarious and unfortunate that it happened, but I'd probably have more sympathy for them if they looked for even a second like they weren't totally ignoring it.

They made super aggressive plays despite the claw being like "Hey.... hey..... hey you guys.... I'm swinging around..... pay attention to me.... GOTCHA!"

 

[WindMajor]

Also it was Zero's counterpick.

 

[LiteralGrill]

It feels like... Items? Maybe it feels like that kindarandom? Either wayy, it was kinda a hype killer, I dunno.

 

[WindMajor]

Listen to that crowd tho

 

[LiteralGrill]

Yeah, I guess it's a tough call. In the end I can agree at least that it was his counterpick.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Should probs legalize WarioWare
whoever counterpicks it knows the risk

 

[Raziek]

Should probs legalize WarioWare
whoever counterpicks it knows the risk

 

[Grim Tuesday]

slippery slope, yes
slippery slope fallacy, no

it can't be a problem for warioware but not a problem for halberd

 

[LiteralGrill]

Should probs legalize WarioWare
whoever counterpicks it knows the risk

I can actually agree with this quite a bit. You said what I was trying to say better then I did, thank you.

 

[Raziek]

This is why people don't take you seriously, Grim.

Yes, "Whoever counterpicks it knows the risk" applies equally to both stages.

Then, however, you jump directly to the conclusion of legalizing both, totally ignoring all other relevant factors, namely: Impact of interference, warning time, actual randomness, etc.

The claw interfering once every minute to two minutes (with like 10 seconds warning) to deal 10% is significantly LESS impactful than a mini-game every 30 seconds that might reward one player a star and the other a mushroom.

 

[LiteralGrill]

This is why people don't take you seriously, Grim.

Yes, "Whoever counterpicks it knows the risk" applies equally to both stages.

Then, however, you jump directly to the conclusion of legalizing both, totally ignoring all other relevant factors, namely: Impact of interference, warning time, actual randomness, etc.

The claw interfering once every minute to two minutes (with like 10 seconds warning) to deal 10% is significantly LESS impactful than a mini-game every 30 seconds that might reward one player a star and the other a mushroom.

But what about the problems of it randomly giving a player an advantage, isn't that why we banned items?

 

[-LzR-]

When the claw strikes you won't really be able to punish an opponent for blocking it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

This is why people don't take you seriously, Grim.

Yes, "Whoever counterpicks it knows the risk" applies equally to both stages.

Then, however, you jump directly to the conclusion of legalizing both, totally ignoring all other relevant factors, namely: Impact of interference, warning time, actual randomness, etc.

The claw interfering once every minute to two minutes (with like 10 seconds warning) to deal 10% is significantly LESS impactful than a mini-game every 30 seconds that might reward one player a star and the other a mushroom.

All I was getting at is that randomness shouldn't be excused just because the stage in question is a counterpick.

When the claw strikes you won't really be able to punish an opponent for blocking it.

Disagree.

 

[ShadowLink84]

It's actually all Shaya's fault

That is just mean Ghost.

The player isn't necessarily out-played
He's only out-played if his opponent gets lucky, you don't know who the claw will hit until you've committed to the frame trap

that's the problem here

I believe there is a way to determine whom the claw will hit.
I...cannot remember though

 

[ぱみゅ]

I'm pretty sure that, if the Claw moves for 10 seconds before hitting, at least during the last 3 it swings closer to the target.
It's obviously more notable when both players are away from each other, and harder to tell if they're close all the time.

 

[-LzR-]

Unless you are right next to each other you have more than enough time to see the claw is heading towards your face. If you are close to your opponent and not sure which one it will hit you should both try to dodge it. There is no excuse for getting hit by it unless you got thrown or combo'd into it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

If I'm worse than my opponent, I shouldn't try and dodge it, I should try and frame trap my opponent into it

and it'll only work 50% of the time, which is silly

 

[WindMajor]

People need to learn how to just let things happen.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Mmm, I feel like people should stop complaining about being timed out on Temple, when we can legalize it and just let it happen

 

[WindMajor]

See now you get it.

 

[ぱみゅ]

If I'm worse than my opponent, I shouldn't try and dodge it, I should try and frame trap my opponent into it

and it'll only work 50% of the time, which is silly

Except you can actually tell what's gonna happen.
I literally said how it can be done.

ugh, why do I keep doing this at this point?

 

[LiteralGrill]

I still always wonder if we don't let items be on because they can randomly give someone an advantage, why can Halberd do that and it be okay?

 

[-LzR-]

Because that homerun bat won't notify you 7 seconds before it actually spawns.

 

[LiteralGrill]

It's still at random, and it has definitely decided many matches at random as well.