Stage .H.A.C.K.ing Central

[Mewtwo_2000]

@BSZ

The rule is always the same, you can have many models of the same kind, but you have to rename the bones so they are all different. And once done so, you will be able to move every single model with an unique animation. Only one animation per modeldata, and be careful as in modeldata[1] the first model doesn't move properly with the animation.

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

You don't fight Ganondorf in Death Mountain. o_o

Frozenhobo was right; It's the Stone Tower Temple, from Majora's Mask.

Oh, I didn't even think about renaming the bones..haha. Thanks.

Also, Frozenhobo, I seriously have no inspiration today, I made this sign, but it sucks.

What I don't really like is the font. Do you have any ideas on what I should use? Also, "The Festive City of Opulent Charm" is actually the catch-phrase of the city.

 

[FrozenHobo]

thing is, i need the letters to be stacked... like int he pic i sent you. there isn't a lot of space in the model.

i think just "Goldenrod" and "PokeMart" should do fine. as for fonts, i have no idea. maybe like the font used on the saffron city 64 stage?

edit: i like the red/pokeball background, though

 

[ds22]

@BSZ
My mind and memory are really messed up...
Anyway, looking nice so far

 

[NecroMasterX]

Hey guys, I can't get the stage working over 75m, can someone do it for me? I have no idea what I'm doing. I got the main stage working, but I can figure out the rest I'm trying to do.

 

[NO@H]

So, if i had a model, and an animation that went with it, could I rename a bone in a different model and import the animation to make both models have the same animation?

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

Lol, ds22.

Well, Frozenhobo, how about these?

I re-sized and changed them a bit.

Also, added the right wall and fixed the top platform:

 

[FrozenHobo]

nice. i'll try them out later. look great.

same goes for stone tower.

 

[Mr.Chuy]

Hey guys, I can't get the stage working over 75m, can someone do it for me? I have no idea what I'm doing. I got the main stage working, but I can figure out the rest I'm trying to do.

Send it to me i'll port it for ya

So, if i had a model, and an animation that went with it, could I rename a bone in a different model and import the animation to make both models have the same animation?

Yeah

 

[NO@H]

k, another question, does lylat cruise load the pacs in an order? For example, asteroid to battleship to corneria or something, or is it completely random?

and also, can compression be used in the models of a stage?

(If you haven't figured out, I ran out of room in a pac)

 

[NecroMasterX]

@chuy
Here or on KCMM?

 

[Mr.Chuy]

k, another question, does lylat cruise load the pacs in an order? For example, asteroid to battleship to corneria or something, or is it completely random?

and also, can compression be used in the models of a stage?

(If you haven't figured out, I ran out of room in a pac)

It's random
Not sure

@chuy
Here or on KCMM?

Doesn't matter to me

Is it me or is this site running very slow today?

 

[br3compactor]

HYES! More Majora's Mask!

Too bad we don't have Clock Town.

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

It's not just you.

Also, holly molly, Stone Tower Temple is freaking huge.

 

[NecroMasterX]

@chuy
Kay, I'll send it to you in a few minutes.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Also, added the right wall and fixed the top platform:

You'd better be building this over Frigate Orpheon or I might have to start hating you...

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

Huh, why? XD.

 

[FrozenHobo]

so it can flip, obviously.

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

I didn't even think about that..haha.

But, I don't think I know how to re-create that effect, because I'm using multiple models, and not one single platform that rotates (I think that's how the stage works, I never even opened it).

 

[Hozu]

That would be epic win if Stone Tower would flip.

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

Indeed. I'll take a look at the file to see how it was done. If it's just the collisions being assigned to the rotating models, then maybe I could give it a try.

Heh..I don't really get it. There's no animation, plus not all collisions are there.

Perhaps..the scene data?

 

[NO@H]

you can just use an animation to flip it
and look in orpheon model data 105 for the flip, but it won't help you

 

[br3compactor]

Actually, it would be epic if it were a climbing stage (like rumble falls) until it reaches the top. Then it flips and works the same way (but flipped). Than at the top again it would flip. And that'd go on forever and ever.

But it's too soon to suggest things, people. We don't even know how he's planning the stage to be.

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

Well, if you can tell me how to easily make it be like Rumble Falls, I could make it like that, except the fact that I don't want the stage to be extremely big either.

 

[br3compactor]

Do it the way you want. After it's finished someone might want to do an alternate version.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Actually, it would be epic if it were a climbing stage (like rumble falls) until it reaches the top. Then it flips and works the same way (but flipped). Than at the top again it would flip. And that'd go on forever and ever.

No... Please don't do this.

Well, if you can tell me how to easily make it be like Rumble Falls, I could make it like that, except the fact that I don't want the stage to be extremely big either.

It would be better if it were just a normal stage, but it flips into a different normal stage. Like Frigate itself is.

Indeed. I'll take a look at the file to see how it was done. If it's just the collisions being assigned to the rotating models, then maybe I could give it a try.

Heh..I don't really get it. There's no animation, plus not all collisions are there.

Perhaps..the scene data?

Like most stage elements, it's part of the MiscData. But you don't need to bother messing around with that; just build your stage over Frigate from the start. I figured out how part of the stage works a few weeks ago when I was trying to swap Frigate's background for something else. There are 3 main modeldatas: the background, the stage, and the parasite queen (there are also some unimportant ones like the moving platforms on the sides). When the stage flips, the background and the stage rotate instantly, and the parasite queen flips a few seconds later (you know how it has that animation). You would ideally just be replacing the first 2 modeldatas with your whole Stone Tower, and I guess just fill the rest of them with static models since you don't need them. If you play around with swapping any of the first 3 modeldatas with something else, you should be able to see how they work.

This is something that I've always wanted in Brawl so I'm really excited that it might finally be happening. That's why I'm trying to help you out so you can get this as perfect as possible.

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

Thanks for the support. So, if I just put my models in the model data, with my collisions, it will work? If so, wow, I'm doing this.

 

[br3compactor]

Why, HDT? That's how it works in the game. You f-ing climb it. And if you mess up it will flip and you will fall back. And climb it again.

If it were the temple itself, just a flipping stage would be OK. But it's the way to the temple.

Do you even like Frigate? It was one of the first stages I got rid of.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Now that I think about it, Frigate's main stage is all 1 model, so I'm not sure how it would work if you're building the stage out of multiple models. But you should experiment. A rotating Frigate hack is something that's never been done before, so it has huge potential if it works out right (plus it's MM-related so it's even better).

Here's my suggestion. Experiment with adding a couple simple models with collision on each side (top and bottom) and see how they all work when the stage flips. If everything works the way it should, then continue on building the full Stone Tower.

Why, HDT? That's how it works in the game. You f-ing climb it. And if you mess up it will flip and you will fall back. And climb it again.

Because this is Brawl. You're supposed to be fighting, not climbing. Notice how nobody ever played Icicle Mountain in Melee? You sometimes have to sacrifice minor accuracy details for the sake of functionality.

 

[FrozenHobo]

look at how the collisions are defined in bbox. see what they are on the upper stage.

 

[br3compactor]

If it's well done, it might not only be playable, but also a very cool stage.

I agree Rumble Falls and Icicle Mountain are bad too, but that's because they weren't well made.

Fast climbing speed, Platforms too close to the death boundaries, fall through floors, Icy Floors, Deadly Spikes??? WTF, Nintendo

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

What the heck. I tried, and in-game, only one platform got flipped. o_o

 

[br3compactor]

How do I move the Spawn Points?

 

[Mr.Chuy]

Edit the rebirth bones in stgposition

 

[FrozenHobo]

brawlbox -> modeldata[100] -> preview -> playerXX


edit: rebirth is just where the respawn platfrom appears.

 

[Mr.Chuy]

-___-
Last time i don't check for an answer instead of seeing how well i remember things

 

[-BigSharkZ-]

So, I guess I'll leave the idea of a rotating temple for now. I'll continue working on it.

Also, should I add an animated Garo? If so, which character should I make him on? Take in mind that I can hack the animations as well, so it looks more like one.

 

[hero1771]

mumm.

i never got to the end of M.M, but the stage sounds interesting.
hey, did anyone hear about the new update 4.3?
as usual, nintendo wants to get rid of us. so dont update.

 

[Segtendo]

hey, did anyone hear about the new update 4.3?
as usual, nintendo wants to get rid of us. so dont update.

Mr. Bionic made a sticky for it.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Also, should I add an animated Garo? If so, which character should I make him on? Take in mind that I can hack the animations as well, so it looks more like one.

you know what you should do? vector hack/texture MK into a garo. stop this stage and go do that.