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t!MmY

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From playing the game, watching the game, and discussing this with the other knowledgeable smashers there, this is what it's looking like:
Upper Middle
Mario, Meta Knight, Peach.

Mid Middle
Bowser, Diddy, Fox, Link, Pikachu, Pit, Samus, Sonic, Zero Suit Samus

Lower Middle
DK, Ike, and Yoshi appear to be on the lower rung.
Reasons:
Mario, Meta Knight, Peach all share the ability to combo fairly easily.
Meta Knight has a "disjointed" feel to his attacks, as well as some attacks that deal out significant damage fairly easily by themselves (specifically Smash+B).
Meta Knight and Peach have great recovery. Mario seems to be able to chaingrab with D-throw on some characters (Ike? Sonic?)

Bowser looks slightly improved in general though some of his better moves might have been downgraded a tiny bit (Fortress); he's heavy, and strong.
Fox is not anywhere as fast or broken as he once was (specifically his U-throw to U-air is nerfed as well as pretty much anything else you could say was once broken) - he is however still pretty fast relatively speaking.
Diddy has speed and can get combos going but seems to be on the weaker side.
Link looks more agile, had his Spin Attack nerfed (doesn't spike, smaller, weaker, but can be charged).
Pit has some nice attacks, broken recovery, possibly Top Tier once we get more info on him.
Pikachu looks very much like his Melee version with some of his moves slightly bumped (Thunder and others) and other moves slightly nerfed (U-air doesn't "spike" and U-smash is weaker).
Samus seems to have had all her perks slightly nerfed, especialy missiles, charge beam, and bomb jumping.
Sonic's dash is the best in the game and he seems to be good at comboing. He seems to lack speed when attacking thus far, might be easier to combo than average, and might be weak in general (need more info).
Zero Suit samus has got good combo potential, but I haven't heard nor seen much of her. She appears to be far from a remake of Sheik though.

DK is rather sluggish and large. I'm going to need more info on him, but without L-canceling it seems he has a bit of a problem with comboing.
Ike is easily the slowest character ever seen... like Giga Bowser slow! He's also easily the strongest, like Marth with auto-tippers when he hits. We need to find out about his no-flinch frames which could easily boost his status.
Yoshi looks like his Melee counter part, but he's got some nice updates, specifically his Up+B and Smash+B as well as his increased range in his attacks (B-air is very noticeably improved).

I really need input from the rest of you guys that attended E for All - also, we will have more info after each of the days. Gimpy's the official voice for Bowser as far as I'm concerned, as is Hugs for Samus, Gabe for Yoshi, and Trevyn with Link. I'd also like to hear some feed back from Festizzio and t0mmy about Pika, Mike Haze and Eternal Phoenix Fire for Fox, and Neal for Peach since I saw them playing those characters a lot.

We're sure to learn loads more once Nor Cal gets their hands on Brawl today!

EDIT/NOTE:
The above Tier List has a pretty small margin between it! It's not like Melee's list at all in terms of power and capability. If it was like Melee's, it would be more like "Middle Tier" split into three parts with the possibility of Ike being a true Low Tier at this point.

Edit: tier list updated to relate to Melee's power level.
 

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I've had thoughts on the tierlist for the Brawldemo too, but the only thing I'm sure on is that Meta Knigt is top and Bowser is better than bottom/low.
 

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Yoshi is too oversized. Yeah the others are so awesome. Yoshi will have to use his range to attack (he is quick and with a great range... dangerous)
 

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First update:
Changed the Tier List to be related more to Melee in terms of ability.
 

bob-e

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Just how was Samus nerfed?
Is bomb jumping still possible, but really hard now?
What did they do to her missiles? I herd that missile canceling is out, but what about the damage and speed?
 

shanus

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I'm sad Ike looks that bad, I planned to do a big switch up to main him in Brawl coming from maining falco/falcon :-O
 

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Ike is definitely not as slow as you make him seen. He is NOT that slow... Plus, look at his freaking Final Smash. For god's sake it did 71% damage to a 24% damaged Link and KO'd his ***.

Ike has VERY strong moves. I've heard his roll dodge is quick and so his is Bair. His smash attacks are deadly strong with great range. His over special used on the ground has quite some distance so we'll have to see how far it covers in the air. Aether can be very good if used just right.

Ike isn't that bad at all... Even if he IS, that's more the reason for me to use him.

I also DO realize that this is ALL based on the demo.
 

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Ha ha looks good.

T!IMmy I heard some of the uh "booth babes?" booth girls? talking to you in one of the videos. They were like "Are you pro smashers" and you guys said something and then you were like "we are Timmy and Tommy"
 

yoshi_fan

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I think what you mean with a little diference is actually the diference in smash 64...

Im glad al characters are balanced now. And yoshi oversized and overpowered yay :D
 

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Wtf

You may be a pro but it's WAAAAAAAAAY to early to make tier lists.

I'm gonna come to your house and kill your children,
 

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I think it's pretty curious that all these impressions say Bowser is great in the demo, even though he was only slightly improved--which means he's good because the others were made terrible.
 

Darkurai

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From playing the game, watching the game, and discussing this with the other knowledgeable smashers there, this is what it's looking like:

Upper Middle
Mario, Meta Knight and possibly Peach.

Mid Middle
Bowser, Ditty, Fox, Link, Pikachu, Pit, Samus, Sonic, Zero Suit Samus

Lower Middle
DK, Ike, and Yoshi appear to be on the lower rung.
Reasons:
Mario, Meta Knight, Peach all share the ability to combo fairly easily.
Meta Knight has a "disjointed" feel to his attacks, as well as some attacks that deal out significant damage fairly easily by themselves (specifically Smash+B).
Meta Knight and Peach have great recovery. Mario seems to be able to chaingrab with D-throw on some characters (Ike? Sonic?)

Bowser looks slightly improved in general though some of his better moves might have been downgraded a tiny bit (Fortress); he's heavy, and strong.
Fox is not anywhere as fast or broken as he once was (specifically his U-throw to U-air is nerfed as well as pretty much anything else you could say was once broken) - he is however still pretty fast relatively speaking.
Ditty has speed and can get combos going but seems to be on the weaker side.
Link looks more agile, had his Spin Attack nerfed (doesn't spike, smaller, weaker, but can be charged).
Pit has some nice attacks, broken recovery, possibly Top Tier once we get more info on him.
Pikachu looks very much like his Melee version with some of his moves slightly bumped (Thunder and others) and other moves slightly nerfed (U-air doesn't "spike" and U-smash is weaker).
Samus seems to have had all her perks slightly nerfed, especialy missiles, charge beam, and bomb jumping.
Sonic's dash is the best in the game and he seems to be good at comboing. He seems to lack speed when attacking thus far, might be easier to combo than average, and might be weak in general (need more info).
Zero Suit samus has got good combo potential, but I haven't heard nor seen much of her. She appears to be far from a remake of Sheik though.

DK is rather sluggish and large. I'm going to need more info on him, but without L-canceling it seems he has a bit of a problem with comboing.
Ike is easily the slowest character ever seen... like Giga Bowser slow! He's also easily the strongest, like Marth with auto-tippers when he hits. We need to find out about his no-flinch frames which could easily boost his status.
Yoshi looks like his Melee counter part, but he's got some nice updates, specifically his Up+B and Smash+B as well as his increased range in his attacks (B-air is very noticeably improved).

I really need input from the rest of you guys that attended E for All - also, we will have more info after each of the days. Gimpy's the official voice for Bowser as far as I'm concerned, as is Hugs for Samus, Gabe for Yoshi, and Trevyn with Link. I'd also like to hear some feed back from Festizzio and t0mmy about Pika, Mike Haze and Eternal Phoenix Fire for Fox, and Neal for Peach since I saw them playing those characters a lot.

We're sure to learn loads more once Nor Cal gets their hands on Brawl today!

EDIT/NOTE:
The above Tier List has a pretty small margine between it! It's not like Melee's list at all in terms of power and capability. If it was like Melee's, it would be more like "Middle Tier" split into three parts with the possibility of Ike being a true Low Tier at this point.

Edit: tier list updated to relate to Melee's power level.
Your mini-profile has a significant lack in the "BRoomer" symbol.
Thus, I don't trust you to make a tier list.
 

xelad1

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why the hell is everyone flaming this topic... it specifically states that its a tier list for the demo and that things will probably change. Why is everyone so stupid.
 

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^People lack the ability to read....apparently.

It's a demo tier list guys, chill out.
 

ripa9

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Ha ha looks good.

T!IMmy I heard some of the uh "booth babes?" booth girls? talking to you in one of the videos. They were like "Are you pro smashers" and you guys said something and then you were like "we are Timmy and Tommy"
Which video? Please give me the link to it.
 

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If anyone is referring to ME about flaming the topic, please read the last sentence in my post.
 

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SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!


This thread is an opinion on character ability in comparison to the other characters in the demo. Obviously there has not been enough time spent with this game to actually make a conclusive or accurate tier list. This is pretty much for fun.
 

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Tier list made based on a demo... wow... you guys must be REALLY bored...
 

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Tier list made based on a demo... wow... you guys must be REALLY bored...
What else is there to do? Whine about no Wavedashing? If you have nothing better to post than that, don't even bother wasting your time, unless YOU are also really bored.
 

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I am super smash bro, I mean smash twin timmy! And I'm smash bro tommy! I'm robert........patrick.....(or w.e their names were). Lol. Nice list.
 

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Ha ha looks good.

T!IMmy I heard some of the uh "booth babes?" booth girls? talking to you in one of the videos. They were like "Are you pro smashers" and you guys said something and then you were like "we are Timmy and Tommy"
I cheered when I heard this!

Did you guys play the single player?

You have to find out about Kirby for ME!

HERE"S THE VIDEO:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc
 

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I think ike needs to be higher up...hes not the fastest character but he is hella strong...he just ***** in free for alls...hes like marth but stronger and a tad bit slower.....also his up b has no horizontal distance...but his side b is like fox's side b in terms of how far it takes him horizontaly...
 

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Awesome! Diddy and Fox are in the middle XD I wonder where Falco will go if he's confirmed o.o
 

jigedysmashmo

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yessss!! mario is lookin pretty good according to this! looks like he will end up beig my main after all....but im also really interested in ike..i dont care how slow he is..this massive strength that he is sopposed to have is very interesting...is there a video that shows ikes final smash? i kno its similar to link..i just wana actually see it in action
 
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